Something I've noticed in my SW vs ST debates

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The Original Nex wrote:
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Praxis wrote:Errant Venture? Superlaser? You've gotta be kidding. How can a retired old pirate who couldn't even afford to paint his ship red afford a SUPERLASER?
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It doesn't have one in the NJO. It gains many Turbolasers and Laser cannon from the dying Lusankya, but doesn't have a Superlaser!

It's an ISD for Christ Sake!!
Check the NJO Sourcebook.

Again. Recite the mantra of NJO.
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Kuja wrote:
Praxis wrote:
SirNitram wrote: New Jedi Order.

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What's with the anti-NJO obsession some members seem to have?

I've read NJO, every single book, and there is not one reference to the Errant Venture having a superlaser.
NJO Sourcebook.
Well, for some odd reason, it never uses it. And seeing as the NJOSB was written halfway through the series, most of the material in it can be overidden by the latter half of the series.

(If those RPG writers seriously said that the EV had a SL, they're even more hopless then I thought :roll: )
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SirNitram wrote:
The Original Nex wrote:
SirNitram wrote: New Jedi Order.

Ignore sense. Ignore reason. Embrace the wanking.
It doesn't have one in the NJO. It gains many Turbolasers and Laser cannon from the dying Lusankya, but doesn't have a Superlaser!

It's an ISD for Christ Sake!!
Check the NJO Sourcebook.

Again. Recite the mantra of NJO.
It implied it was a superlaser based on the "Darksaber" weapon, supposedly. There was no indication of just how large or powerful it was. For that matter, there's no certainty that any of it is indeed factual or if Booster is just making empty boasts (for one thing, they claimed the weapon had a range of one light-year. Contrast this with the suppoed 47 million km range for the DS1 superlaser.)
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Connor MacLeod wrote:It implied it was a superlaser based on the "Darksaber" weapon, supposedly. There was no indication of just how large or powerful it was. For that matter, there's no certainty that any of it is indeed factual or if Booster is just making empty boasts (for one thing, they claimed the weapon had a range of one light-year. Contrast this with the suppoed 47 million km range for the DS1 superlaser.)
Well, it's not like the beam is gonna just stop. And against most targets an SL would be brought to bear against, it's not impossible to calculate the positions to fire from that far away.
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SirNitram wrote:
Connor MacLeod wrote:It implied it was a superlaser based on the "Darksaber" weapon, supposedly. There was no indication of just how large or powerful it was. For that matter, there's no certainty that any of it is indeed factual or if Booster is just making empty boasts (for one thing, they claimed the weapon had a range of one light-year. Contrast this with the suppoed 47 million km range for the DS1 superlaser.)
Well, it's not like the beam is gonna just stop. And against most targets an SL would be brought to bear against, it's not impossible to calculate the positions to fire from that far away.
No, but since we're talking about a non FTL weapon, such a range is effectively impractical (both in any sort of tactical or al most any strategic sense)

Besides its kinda silly for the standard range of booster's weapon to be many orders of magnitude greater than the DS1. :P
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Sothis wrote:Anyone, be they a Trekkie, a Warsie, or a fan of eating raw chicken, will, if educated in the field of physics, reach the same conclusions- that the Empire wins.

In fact, you don't need to be a super-whizz at science to figure out the simple logistical stuff- the Empire's bigger resources, better construction technology, faster FTL...

A lot of Star Trek fans and Star Wars fans simply don't care about the versus debate. They probably view the rest of us as being oddities- even as they stand around with their phasers and lightsabers :lol:
Being well educated in physics should tell you that both Trek and Wars are unrealistic fantasies that won't work in our world, right? ; ) I know, I know, hehe.

You don't need a science degree to see who wins, you can simply go "okay, Empire controls a whole galaxy," while the Federation has trouble with a tiny portion of one quadrant, and the Empire wins by sheer numbers, even if you somehow thought they were primitives in comparison (worst case scenario for the Empire: phasers bypass shields somehow, force and hyperdrive "don't work" in Federation space, only low end numbers apply, etc).

Watching Voyager removes most doubt that the Federation is faster. The very concept alone shows that it takes them a long time, even in their more advanced ships, to travel around like that. Star Trek V contradicts this of course, but one example vs. seven seasons of it (plus a few examples in TNG). Most people think ST5 sucked anyway and tend to ignore it.

About the only ways one can reasonably assume that Trek would win (if you're familiar with both) would be to say that the Good Guys Always Win and they'll find some technobabble way to do it, the godlike beings will help them (prophets, Q, the traveler, the dowd, etc) or the Empire will act utterly stupid, with enough incompetence to allow the good guys to win. You know, the "best case scenario" for the Feddies... all the Trek galaxy allies and the Rebels help them, etc.
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Edit: So yes, I agree. Based on logistics (they can build a couple of Death Stars) and speeds, and size, the Empire wins. The odds have to be stacked in the Federation's favor for them to have any chance.
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Lord Revan wrote:The Empire's/Republic's superweapo tend be adaptions common tech into huge scale so they're no hard to repplicate if you enought resources and will. ST superweapons tend to be invented by the team that makes the weapon (and involves solutions that are know by the team only). to date the Starforge is the only (IIRC) SW Superweapon that's impossible to replicate.
Even there, with the descriptions of how the Star Maps had been obliterated when the race (can't remember the name right now) left most of the galaxy, could mean that the Star Forge is back online by the RotE era of SW.
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Kruk wrote: Well, .25c it's 75 000 km/s. MF has needed more than second to fly from front to back of stardestroyer. The same goes for starfighters in ROTJ. They needed more than second to fly 12 km (SSD length) and in the battle You fly on maks speed. It gives maks speed of MF about 12 km/s. Fighters are faster probably (100 times its still 1 200 km/s) it's still 6 time slower than most trek ships speed. If I got my hand on divix version of SW, I'll give you visual evidence.
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Praxis wrote:
Errant Venture? Superlaser? You've gotta be kidding. How can a retired old pirate who couldn't even afford to paint his ship red afford a SUPERLASER?


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Maybe that's why he can't afford to paint his ship red :?
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