The Milky Way Post-Conquest

[Ghost Rider]

So it was a "perfect cloak" that was fully functional AND invisible?

Yes.

Because sensor emissions could be detected...

I mean, could the EU "CGT Sensors" detect Maul's ship?

No and No

And finally, I wonder how expensive it was? The current explanation for Cloaks is that they're blind, and that's why the Empire, which can afford to build moon-sized battle stations (and in the EU, countless superweapons to destroy the entire galaxy) and huge fleets doesn't build any.

The material needed no longer exists and the expense was that Maul's fighter was more then an ISD.

[nightmare]

Because sensor emissions could be detected...

I mean, could the EU "CGT Sensors" detect Maul's ship?

No and No

I've never seen anything to imply that, is there any source?

And finally, I wonder how expensive it was? The current explanation for Cloaks is that they're blind, and that's why the Empire, which can afford to build moon-sized battle stations (and in the EU, countless superweapons to destroy the entire galaxy) and huge fleets doesn't build any.

The material needed no longer exists and the expense was that Maul's fighter was more then an ISD.

Actually, if one is to take SOTG at its word, the device is a mere fraction of an ISDs cost. 150 MCR.

Also, the material does exist. The planet Aeten II was destroyed, but all the remaining styigum must have been stocked up by GA Batch, and the planet was already runing dry from mining it anyway. Stygium-triprismatic stealth coating was employed by Blackhole on his Singularity, and later Daala's Knight Hammer. One might guess that employing stygium in this manner is either what's left of the tech after the Clone Wars, or a more cost-effective way to use it. I'm guessing the latter since a thusly cloaked warship would be more expensive but have limited extra qualities (you can still shoot at it once it fires etc).

Furthermore, the Trade Federation also found stygium on the planet Maramere, but the knowledge of it was probably lost with Lord Toat.

[Ghost Rider]

Because sensor emissions could be detected...

I mean, could the EU "CGT Sensors" detect Maul's ship?

No and No

I've never seen anything to imply that, is there any source?

Actually I believe they mentioned it as a blurb in Dark Side sourcebook that the Stygian Cloak was unable to be detected by any modern sensors.

It could taken that the required ability to find it would require a dedicated search instead of it being completely hidden.

And finally, I wonder how expensive it was? The current explanation for Cloaks is that they're blind, and that's why the Empire, which can afford to build moon-sized battle stations (and in the EU, countless superweapons to destroy the entire galaxy) and huge fleets doesn't build any.

The material needed no longer exists and the expense was that Maul's fighter was more then an ISD.

Actually, if one is to take SOTG at its word, the device is a mere fraction of an ISDs cost. 150 MCR.

Also, the material does exist. The planet Aeten II was destroyed, but all the remaining styigum must have been stocked up by GA Batch, and the planet was already runing dry from mining it anyway. Stygium-triprismatic stealth coating was employed by Blackhole on his Singularity, and later Daala's Knight Hammer. One might guess that employing stygium in this manner is either what's left of the tech after the Clone Wars, or a more cost-effective way to use it. I'm guessing the latter since a thusly cloaked warship would be more expensive but have limited extra qualities (you can still shoot at it once it fires etc).

Furthermore, the Trade Federation also found stygium on the planet Maramere, but the knowledge of it was probably lost with Lord Toat.

Ah, then I recieved wrong information.

As for Price, the implication in Dark Side source book was that the cost was well out of the reach of any real military amount to be implemented on anything more then a small startship.

[FTeik]

IIRC, it was in the e-book "Darth Maul: Saboteur", where Maul´s Infiltrator was discovered by good sensors while being cloaked.

Can somebody explain to me, why those stygium-crystals exists only on a single planet?

As for the hyperspace-barrier around the galaxy, that is folklore used to justify, why nobody attempted to travel outside the galaxy (aside from OBF).
While the OR has been around for 25 millenia it wasn´t in the business of conquest. The GE on the other side has existed for less than thirty years and is still trying to solidify its grip on its own galaxy. This isn´t the case for the "short-before" or "post-conquest" era.

[The Original Nex]

Can somebody explain to me, why those stygium-crystals exists only on a single planet?

It happens to be crystal unique to one planet. I doubt that's rare or unprecedented. Some crystals need very specific conditions to form properly. Perhaps Aeten II was the only known world to have the conditions which would allow Stygium to form

[Ghost Rider]

Can somebody explain to me, why those stygium-crystals exists only on a single planet?

It happens to be crystal unique to one planet. I doubt that's rare or unprecedented. Some crystals need very specific conditions to form properly. Perhaps Aeten II was the only known world to have the conditions which would allow Stygium to form

Also...it could the only known.

While SW has done a shitload of exploration and study, they might have been looking for these crystals thus have yet to find another reliable source or even know how they came to be...thus looking for another with those conditions...would prove difficult and time consuming.

[The Original Nex]

As for the hyperspace-barrier around the galaxy, that is folklore used to justify, why nobody attempted to travel outside the galaxy (aside from OBF).
While the OR has been around for 25 millenia it wasn´t in the business of conquest. The GE on the other side has existed for less than thirty years and is still trying to solidify its grip on its own galaxy. This isn´t the case for the "short-before" or "post-conquest" era.

They have two sattellite galaxies that are (presumeably) known and explored (lest the "Intergalactic" Banking Clan).

Also, why bother leaving the galaxy? It's hundreds of thousands (if not millions) of lightyears to the next "full-sized" galaxy. You wouldn't be guaranteed anything if you chose to leave the galaxy. So why bother?

[Kurgan]

snip about cloaks

So, another limitation of SW Duplicators?

[Kurgan]

As for the hyperspace-barrier around the galaxy, that is folklore used to justify, why nobody attempted to travel outside the galaxy (aside from OBF).
While the OR has been around for 25 millenia it wasn´t in the business of conquest. The GE on the other side has existed for less than thirty years and is still trying to solidify its grip on its own galaxy. This isn´t the case for the "short-before" or "post-conquest" era.

They have two sattellite galaxies that are (presumeably) known and explored (lest the "Intergalactic" Banking Clan).

Also, why bother leaving the galaxy? It's hundreds of thousands (if not millions) of lightyears to the next "full-sized" galaxy. You wouldn't be guaranteed anything if you chose to leave the galaxy. So why bother?

Given the speeds of hyperdrive though, it's not that far, a few months at most. One might say, the galaxy is self sufficient, so why bother. But I'd be surprised if there weren't some explorers or someone who wished to see what was out there.

[nightmare]

Actually I believe they mentioned it as a blurb in Dark Side sourcebook that the Stygian Cloak was unable to be detected by any modern sensors.

It could taken that the required ability to find it would require a dedicated search instead of it being completely hidden.

Thanks, I'll check that out.

[UCBooties]

While I'm sure this is going to get me yelled at, I have to bring up that in NJO it was only theorized that there was any sort of gravity storm surrounding the galaxy. What was established was that even in Hyperspace traveling world ships it took the YV generations to reach the Sw galaxy from their own. It doesn't say how far away their galaxy was or whether they passed up others on their way to the SW galaxy. Now, my question is, how much of NJO (a quite worthwhile series IMHO)is invalidated by one scene in a map room and the naming of an organization? While I realise that EU is only quasi-cannon, does any of NJO remain valid for cannon discusions? (ie. Rebuilding of Jedi Order, Post invasion galactic structure and power bases, tech, nature of the force, etc.)

[Mad]

Now, my question is, how much of NJO (a quite worthwhile series IMHO)is invalidated by one scene in a map room and the naming of an organization?

None, necessarily. The hyperspace barrier could exist outside the main galaxy and its satellites. The system itself could just be referred to as "the galaxy" and it's travel to other systems that is considered impossible. When they speak of other galaxies, they probably refer to something outside the immediate galaxy system.

[Kurgan]

Or maybe the barrier just magically appeared recently. But then you'd think somebody would have explored out there and found the YV by now.

Still, how does the barrier let people in, but not out?

I find the whole "from another galaxy" bit just a bit silly. Why couldn't they just have opened a Quantum Singularity from Fluidic Space or something to enter? Like a wormhole? Then there's no need for this goofy barrier.

[FTeik]

Nonono, as already said, this hyperspace-barrier is nothing but folklore (at least if you have read DT:Ruin).

And the Yuuzhan Vong spent generations travelling, because most of their worldships were NOT hyperspace-capable and some of the older ones even had to rotate to produce gravity, because they didn´t have enough DovinBasals.

Nobody can confirm or deny Darth Maul´s cloaked ship being discovered in "DarthMaul: Saboteur"?

[The Original Nex]

snip about cloaks

So, another limitation of SW Duplicators?

I can think of several alloys ST cannot replicate....

Stygium seems to be a very odd and complex crystal.

[Praxis]

Or maybe the barrier just magically appeared recently. But then you'd think somebody would have explored out there and found the YV by now.

Still, how does the barrier let people in, but not out?

I find the whole "from another galaxy" bit just a bit silly. Why couldn't they just have opened a Quantum Singularity from Fluidic Space or something to enter? Like a wormhole? Then there's no need for this goofy barrier.

Actually, they were theororizing on that.

They weren't sure if possibly the barrier had gone away, or if the Vong's hyperdrives were somehow different, or if they found a way through it, etc.

BTW, I think the Trek ideas are sillier. The chances of a wormhole just HAPPENING to open from one galaxy to another are astronomical...

The Vong travelled for generations between the two galaxies before arriving. A lot more realistic than the Trekkie copout of a magic wormhole appearing.

[Kurgan]

The Vong feel far too Trekkish for me. I agree, they're both silly.

The barrier just seems like a goofy plot device to explain why the Vong can come here, but nobody can ever see them coming, even with all the advanced tech SW has had for millennia like hyperdrive.

However, until AOTC was made, it seemed like a somewhat plausible, if contrived, idea.

[UCBooties]

It was determined that the barrier does not in fact exist. The belief in such a barrier allowed the NR government to laugh off the idea of the Vong because they believed the galactic edge was a no-in, no-out deal. Obviously it is possible to enter and leave the galaxy (or galactic system if that's what is cannon now), they just clung to an outmoded theory so they could ignore an imminent threat. It was not a Trek style plot device it was a grasping rationalization from politicians who did not want to believe that the ordered hierarchy they had spent decades worming their way into could collapse.

[harbringer]

In the Jedi search trilogy the virus that mon mothma was subjected to was a nanite that deliberately destroyed her cells only. So one presumes either nanites are expensive to produce or incompatible or simply not in the belief system (which is anti droid on the main) of the population.

[Myrmidon]

Maybe nanites aren't as useful as other forms of technology and thus aren't produced large scale in a SW economy. They are just tiny devices, after all. How long would they take to accomplish a major job? Wouldn't you have to have billions of them on you to do anything? Who would want to go around carrying fifty pounds of nano-goop on them? Maybe Bacta is some sort of nanite medium.

[The Vodka Vindicator]

imagine how the empire could use transporters to transport thousands of stormtroopers

[The Original Nex]

imagine how the empire could use transporters to transport thousands of stormtroopers

I personally find thousands of Troops marching onto Acclamators more grandeous than them all getting transported, but that's just me.

[Ghost Rider]

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