Millenium Falcon vs Borg Cube

[Jon]

Is this image not accepted as canon evidence that the MF was involved in the FC battle and it's uber weapons didn't have much of an effect upon the cube?

That Image

[Lord Zentei]

Ah, so it was the MF that saved the day, not Picard's "insider's knowledge". Didn't see it among all those feddie ships

Anyway, proton torps = shitload of gigatons. Exit cube.

[Dartzap]

That looks much like a Miranda class to me.. and i zoomed all the way into check, and it looks nothing like the shape of the MF

[Jay]

I hate to be a party-pooper, but I had a thought about that photograph. On the Memory-Alpha internet encyclopedia, it suggests that the Defiant Class starship is capable of jetissoning the forward part of its main hull, to be used as some sort of mega-death-kill weapon (and a one-way trip suicide run for its pilot) perhaps what we are seeing is not the Millenium Falcon at all, but a Defiant-class warship that has, if you'll excuse the pun, 'blown it's nose.'

Warhead (Snipped)

With the addition of the warhead component aboard the Defiant class, yet another radical departure has been made from Starfleet's standard policy concerning tactical operations. Designed as a single-use last-ditch explosive component, usage of the warhead weighs as heavily upon a ship's commanding officer as the possible order to initiate self-destruct.

Housed at the forward-most portion of the ship, the warhead contains the ship's main navigational deflector, forward torpedo launcher and magazine, forward airlocks, and dedicated impulse engines for independent powered flight. Access to this area is provided by two walkways on Decks 2 and 3 where miniaturized versions of the standard airlock provided sealable entry between the main vehicle and the warhead. A dedicated control room is located on Deck 2 and allows for both user operated and automatic control of the warhead.

Find the full text here:

http://www.memory-alpha.org/en/index.php/Defiant_class

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[SPOOFE]

On the Memory-Alpha internet encyclopedia, it suggests that the Defiant Class starship is capable of jetissoning the forward part of its main hull, to be used as some sort of mega-death-kill weapon

Stu-u-u-u-upid. If it were any universe other than Star Trek, I wouldn't believe it for a second.

[Jay]

Stuuuupid is right. I only stumbled across that quote a few days ago, and when I read it, I was banging my head on the desk chanting why-o-why-o-why! The Defiant was the first thing Star Trek did right in a long, long while, but the warhead is the stupidest idea ever, and I'm very glad that we never saw it in the show - but you have to admit, the hole left in the Defiants forward setion would look a little like the gap in the nose of the Milenium Falcon.

[Junghalli]

I don't even want to speculate. The thought of a tramp freighter with modified engines and guns strapped to it being able to take out a dreaded Borg cube is just too depressing.
Actually, I thought the battle scene in FC was the best and most realistic in all Trek history. The Borg cube continued to advance on Earth while the battle was ongoing, in accordance with the laws of Newtonian motion . They even partially got over that brain bug of all ships always moving with their dorsal and ventral sides parallel ; the Defiant was attacking the cube from a 70 degree angle .
But oh God what they did to the Borg . Having the Fed fleet actually DAMAGE a cube! They should have had them do something sneaky, like cloak a Texas-sized asteroid and throw it at the cube or something like that. How, oh how, did the Borg go from being the terror of the universe to a bunch of lurching zombies with cardboard ships led by Alice Krige in bad make-up?

[Lord Zentei]

But oh God what they did to the Borg . Having the Fed fleet actually DAMAGE a cube! They should have had them do something sneaky, like cloak a Texas-sized asteroid and throw it at the cube or something like that. How, oh how, did the Borg go from being the terror of the universe to a bunch of lurching zombies with cardboard ships led by Alice Krige in bad make-up?

That's nothing compared with what happened in Voyager. Anyway, during the Enterprise's first encounter with the Borg, a cube was damaged, though it regenerated almost immediately, and later shrugged off their blasts. In FC, they just knew enough to recalibrate their weapons constantly.

As for your question: "Berman and Braga".

PS: don't be dissing H.R. Geiger's work.

[YT300000]

Is this image not accepted as canon evidence that the MF was involved in the FC battle and it's uber weapons didn't have much of an effect upon the cube?

That Image

Nah, its just flying by. The battle is of such pathetically low yields, that the captain of the YT-1300 didn't even bother taking evasive action to go around it.

[General Zod]

Stuuuupid is right. I only stumbled across that quote a few days ago, and when I read it, I was banging my head on the desk chanting why-o-why-o-why! The Defiant was the first thing Star Trek did right in a long, long while, but the warhead is the stupidest idea ever, and I'm very glad that we never saw it in the show - but you have to admit, the hole left in the Defiants forward setion would look a little like the gap in the nose of the Milenium Falcon.

as the memory alpha website isn't canon, nor is the DS9 tech manual, any info presented on it that can't be confirmed by the shows should be taken with a grain of salt at best.

[Jay]

as the memory alpha website isn't canon, nor is the DS9 tech manual, any info presented on it that can't be confirmed by the shows should be taken with a grain of salt at best.

You're absolutly right, but if something from the tech manuals or website were to be shown in the movies, then it would become canon. I was merely bringing this up as a possibility.

However, the idea of the Warhead is so utterly rediculous, I choose to take it with not only salt, but pepper, paprika and oregano as well.

[General Zod]

as the memory alpha website isn't canon, nor is the DS9 tech manual, any info presented on it that can't be confirmed by the shows should be taken with a grain of salt at best.

You're absolutly right, but if something from the tech manuals or website were to be shown in the movies, then it would become canon. I was merely bringing this up as a possibility.

However, the idea of the Warhead is so utterly rediculous, I choose to take it with not only salt, but pepper, paprika and oregano as well.

thankfully we've never seen the warhead in the movies. so it's nowhere near canon level.

[Solauren]

Um, guys, takes a close look

It's a shuttle pod or an escape pod

[FedRebel]

Lot's of Fed escape pods and shuttle pods resemble this
http://www.thomasmodels.com/gallery/falcon1.jpg

[Rogue 9]

Yeah, but we know that the Falcon's model was put into the First Contact battle as an Easter Egg, and that's the closest thing to it that I've seen.

[Eleas]

Ah, so it was the MF that saved the day, not Picard's "insider's knowledge". Didn't see it among all those feddie ships

Anyway, proton torps = shitload of gigatons. Exit cube.

That may well be, but the Falcon carries concussion missiles. These would, of course, be far more devastating to the cube because they are penetrative, omnidirectional weapons, but there you are.

[Nieztchean Uber-Amoeba]

From my own personal calculations, I've placed Borg shields at anywhere from 5 to 20 gigatons. However, at maximum, that's still only 1/10th of a turbolaser. I'd imagine that the Falcon's concussion missiles would crunch it completely.

[brianeyci]

From my own personal calculations, I've placed Borg shields at anywhere from 5 to 20 gigatons. However, at maximum, that's still only 1/10th of a turbolaser. I'd imagine that the Falcon's concussion missiles would crunch it completely.

You hear that Batman? 5 to 20 gigatons.

Brian

[Ghost Rider]

From my own personal calculations, I've placed Borg shields at anywhere from 5 to 20 gigatons. However, at maximum, that's still only 1/10th of a turbolaser. I'd imagine that the Falcon's concussion missiles would crunch it completely.

You hear that Batman? 5 to 20 gigatons.

Brian

We have a rule against Vendettas, fucktard.

Was there something in this thread about Batman leaping to anyone and going "The Borg have only MT shields!!!"

No, then shut the fuck up.

And yes, this is a WARNING

[brianeyci]

We have a rule against Vendettas, fucktard.

Was there something in this thread about Batman leaping to anyone and going "The Borg have only MT shields!!!"

No, then shut the fuck up.

And yes, this is a WARNING

I didn't mean that as a vendetta, I meant that as a joke, sorry if I didn't put up the emoticon .

If you want me to find the thread, I think NecronLord brought up that Lexx didn't work with DET in another thread involving Lexx but totally unrelated to an older thread, as a joke as well. That's why I thought it was okay .

Sorry.

Brian

[Ghost Rider]

We have a rule against Vendettas, fucktard.

Was there something in this thread about Batman leaping to anyone and going "The Borg have only MT shields!!!"

No, then shut the fuck up.

And yes, this is a WARNING

I didn't mean that as a vendetta, I meant that as a joke, sorry if I didn't put up the emoticon .

If you want me to find the thread, I think NecronLord brought up that Lexx didn't work with DET in another thread involving Lexx but totally unrelated to an older thread, as a joke as well. That's why I thought it was okay .

Sorry.

Brian

Too bad fucktard, it not okay Mod or otherwise.

So don't think because one member can pull that shit means you can to.

He got away with it when he shouldn't have...you didn't.

And I mean that. It's a warning...don't pull that shit.

[Laird]

Anyway, proton torps = shitload of gigatons. Exit cube.

Since when?

[Ghost Rider]

Anyway, proton torps = shitload of gigatons. Exit cube.

Since when?

This is the thought of variable loads to explain how Rogue Squadron could even possibly hurt the shields of the Lusyanka as well as any ISD.

Though this require literally cap torpedos versus what Red Squadron was using on the DS run.