What do you rate Trek Weapons at?

Ender · Post by **Ender** » 2002-11-11 09:23pm

I put together a list of all the weapons in Trek that I could find, and want to know what you rate them at. Afterall, we have the Warsie stuff up top, but no trekkie stuff.

Species 8472 Superweapon
Species 8472 Beam Cannon
Borg Cutting Laser
Borg Plasma Torpedo
Borg Disruptor
Tri-Cobalt Torpedo
Croniton Torpedo
Phaser Array, type 12
Phaser Array, type 11+
Phaser Array, type 11
Phaser Array, type 10
Phaser Array, type 9
Phaser Array, type 8
Phaser Array, type 7
Phaser Array, type 6
Phaser Array, type 5
Quantum Torpedo
Photon Torpedo, type 6
Photon Torpedo, type 5 (standard torpedo)
Heavy Disruptor Cannon
Disruptor Cannon
Romulan Plasma Torpedo
Cardassian Spiral Wave Disruptor
Breen Energy Drain Weapon
Microtorpedo
Phase Cannon
Phased Polaron Cannon
Transphasic Torpedo
Cardassian Dreadnaught
Subspace Torpedo
Graviton Torpedo

I'll post my list later

Ender · Post by **Ender** » 2002-11-12 03:57pm

I'm kinda shocked that this got no replies. THe ones on the main site are feddie weapons only, plus I know not everyone here agrees with them.

Here's mine.

Borg Plasma Torpedo
200 Megatons

Phaser Array, type 12
24 terrawatts (40 MT due to NDF)

Phaser Array, type 11+
16.2 terrawatts (27 MT due to NDF)

Phaser Array, type 11
12 terrawatts (20 MT due to NDF)

Phaser Array, type 10
6 terrawatts (10 MT due to NDF)

Phaser Array, type 9
2 terrawatts (5 MT due to NDF)

Phaser Array, type 8
1.5 terrawatts (2.5 MT due to NDF)

Phaser Array, type 7
750 gigawatts (1.25 MT due to NDF)

Phaser Array, type 6
375 gigawatts (625 KT due to NDF)

Phaser Array, type 5
187.5 megawatts (312.5 KT due to NDF)

Quantum Torpedo
150 Megatons

Photon Torpedo, type 6
55.5 Megatons

Photon Torpedo, type 5 (standard torpedo)
50 Megatons

Heavy Disruptor Cannon
Comparable to a type 12 at least

Disruptor Cannon
Comparable to a type 10 at least

Romulan Plasma Torpedo
1 Gigaton

Cardassian Spiral Wave Disruptor
Comparable to a type 10

Microtorpedo
10 Megatons

Phase Cannon
500 Gigajoules

Phased Polaron Cannon
Comparable to a type 10 on the larger ships

All the rest I have no clue about

Cpt_Frank · Post by **Cpt_Frank** » 2002-11-12 04:24pm

Hmm transphasic torpedoes....
I'd say they're no more than a standard pho-to, possibly even weaker because they have to carry this transphasic thingy which allows them to match frequenceies to penetrate the shields or something like that...
I'd give him 50 megatons.
HOWEVER the weapons are omnidirectional so that means 50% can possibly be effective.
effective yield:
Borg plasma torp:
100 mt
Quantum torp
64 mt
Photon torp type vi
40 mt
Photon torp type v
32 mt

my estimates.

Exonerate · Post by **Exonerate** » 2002-11-13 01:43am

Ender wrote:I'm kinda shocked that this got no replies. THe ones on the main site are feddie weapons only, plus I know not everyone here agrees with them.

Here's mine.

Microtorpedo
10 Megatons

All the rest I have no clue about

Might as well use a big nuke...

Alyeska · Post by **Alyeska** » 2002-11-13 02:21pm

FYI the Mark-6 torpedo is rated at 8 times more powerful then the Mark-5 torpedo. I find it highly unlikely that it would turn out to be less then 20% stronger as the two listed opinions.

Mark5: 25 Isoton (ST unit, not real unit) "DS9 TM"
Q-Torp: 50 Isoton "DS9 TM"
Mark 6: 200 Isoton "VGR Scorpion"

Alyeska · Post by **Alyeska** » 2002-11-13 02:23pm

Cpt_Frank wrote:Hmm transphasic torpedoes....
I'd say they're no more than a standard pho-to, possibly even weaker because they have to carry this transphasic thingy which allows them to match frequenceies to penetrate the shields or something like that...
I'd give him 50 megatons.

The Mark-5 is less then 10 years younger then the Mark-6 yet there is an 8 fold increase in firepower. The Transphasic torpedo is 15 years more advanced then the Mark-6 torpedo, an increase in firepower is extremely likely and its even possible it uses advanced Quantum Torpedo systems for the explossive power.

Ender · Post by **Ender** » 2002-11-13 02:49pm

Alyeska wrote:FYI the Mark-6 torpedo is rated at 8 times more powerful then the Mark-5 torpedo. I find it highly unlikely that it would turn out to be less then 20% stronger as the two listed opinions.

Mark5: 25 Isoton (ST unit, not real unit) "DS9 TM"
Q-Torp: 50 Isoton "DS9 TM"
Mark 6: 200 Isoton "VGR Scorpion"

I thought TNG: Genesis said there was only an 11% increase, hence my numbers

Post by **Sea Skimmer** » 2002-11-13 03:31pm

Exonerate wrote:
Ender wrote:I'm kinda shocked that this got no replies. THe ones on the main site are feddie weapons only, plus I know not everyone here agrees with them.

Here's mine.

Microtorpedo
10 Megatons

All the rest I have no clue about
Might as well use a big nuke...

Doubt you could build a six inch long 10 megaton nuke.

Uraniun235 · Post by **Uraniun235** » 2002-11-13 06:53pm

Exonerate wrote:
Ender wrote:I'm kinda shocked that this got no replies. THe ones on the main site are feddie weapons only, plus I know not everyone here agrees with them.

Here's mine.

Microtorpedo
10 Megatons

All the rest I have no clue about
Might as well use a big nuke...

You have no comprehension of just how big a multimegaton nuke is IRL, do you?

Master of Ossus · Post by **Master of Ossus** » 2002-11-13 06:58pm

Exonerate wrote:
Ender wrote:I'm kinda shocked that this got no replies. THe ones on the main site are feddie weapons only, plus I know not everyone here agrees with them.

Here's mine.

Microtorpedo
10 Megatons

All the rest I have no clue about
Might as well use a big nuke...

Guys, he clearly rolled his eyes. I think he was being sarcastic.

Just to set the record straight, though, our nuclear weapons do not approach that yield.

Anarchist Bunny · Post by **Anarchist Bunny** » 2002-11-13 07:17pm

Alyeska wrote:
Cpt_Frank wrote:Hmm transphasic torpedoes....
I'd say they're no more than a standard pho-to, possibly even weaker because they have to carry this transphasic thingy which allows them to match frequenceies to penetrate the shields or something like that...
I'd give him 50 megatons.
The Mark-5 is less then 10 years younger then the Mark-6 yet there is an 8 fold increase in firepower. The Transphasic torpedo is 15 years more advanced then the Mark-6 torpedo, an increase in firepower is extremely likely and its even possible it uses advanced Quantum Torpedo systems for the explossive power.

Yes but the Transphasic Torp was designed on Voyager on their way home. I don't believe that a torp designed on a spaceship would have the same rate of advancement as research stations.

Ender · Post by **Ender** » 2002-11-13 07:42pm

Master of Ossus wrote:Just to set the record straight, though, our nuclear weapons do not approach that yield.

Tsar Nova test cracked in at 50 MT according to my Aug. copy of Popular Science.

Darth PhysBod · Post by **Darth PhysBod** » 2002-11-13 08:06pm

I dont think the basic torpedo is in the MT range.

I you go by TNG Genesis (the live fire test of the new torpedos), well they barely shattered (i.e broke into several slow moving pieces) a pair of asteroids; one ~13mx8m, the other 15mx14m (scaling from torpedo's at impact).

Thats implies a rather insignificant yield (and they were 11% increased explosive yield over their previous torpedos).

Grand Admiral Thrawn · Post by **Grand Admiral Thrawn** » 2002-11-13 09:02pm

highest nuke-50 megatons. ONE. Multiple smaller nukes are better.

Uraniun235 · Post by **Uraniun235** » 2002-11-13 09:28pm

Ender wrote:
Master of Ossus wrote:Just to set the record straight, though, our nuclear weapons do not approach that yield.
Tsar Nova test cracked in at 50 MT according to my Aug. copy of Popular Science.

Such a bomb would be hugely impractical in any military use.

The majority of the U.S. nuclear arsenal is less than one megaton.

Alyeska · Post by **Alyeska** » 2002-11-13 10:51pm

anarchistbunny wrote:
Alyeska wrote:
Cpt_Frank wrote:Hmm transphasic torpedoes....
I'd say they're no more than a standard pho-to, possibly even weaker because they have to carry this transphasic thingy which allows them to match frequenceies to penetrate the shields or something like that...
I'd give him 50 megatons.
The Mark-5 is less then 10 years younger then the Mark-6 yet there is an 8 fold increase in firepower. The Transphasic torpedo is 15 years more advanced then the Mark-6 torpedo, an increase in firepower is extremely likely and its even possible it uses advanced Quantum Torpedo systems for the explossive power.
Yes but the Transphasic Torp was designed on Voyager on their way home. I don't believe that a torp designed on a spaceship would have the same rate of advancement as research stations.

I haven't seen the episode but IIRC Janeway from the future brought the technology to the "present" Voyager.

Illuminatus Primus · Post by **Illuminatus Primus** » 2002-11-14 05:57pm

Uraniun235 wrote:
Ender wrote:
Master of Ossus wrote:Just to set the record straight, though, our nuclear weapons do not approach that yield.
Tsar Nova test cracked in at 50 MT according to my Aug. copy of Popular Science.
Such a bomb would be hugely impractical in any military use.

The majority of the U.S. nuclear arsenal is less than one megaton.

Tsar Bomba was a supposedly approx. 100 MT weapon who's outer uranium jacket was replaced with lead to control the yield. I believe the Servenaya test yielded around 50 MTs or around that. It was never intended for military use: the only bomber that could carry it would only perhaps reach the only practical American target, Chicago, in 8 hours, which is needless to say, too long in a nuclear war. If dropped in Europe, the lethal fallout would be so prodigious it'd likely blow over Warsaw Pact nations.