The vs. of Values and Tactics

Post by **NecronLord** » 2005-02-23 02:35pm

NRS Guardian wrote:A comment about the under-militarization of the Galactic Empire.

A galaxy spanning organisation that has fifty million planets and can send 25,000 ships on an offensive is pretty under-militrised, yes.

Mad · Post by **Mad** » 2005-02-23 03:50pm

NecronLord wrote:They hideously outnumbered and outgunned the rebellion.

And the implications from the opening crawls is that the Rebellion was faced with many more defeats than victories. Which is expected, and makes sense.

Post by **NecronLord** » 2005-02-23 04:19pm

Mad wrote: And the implications from the opening crawls is that the Rebellion was faced with many more defeats than victories. Which is expected, and makes sense.

Yeah. The reason I put in that specification was so that one couldn't just say "They beat the rebels a lot" because frankly, when you've got thirty star destroyers, and they have a blockade runner, you have to be pretty pathetic to actually loose.

NRS Guardian · Post by **NRS Guardian** » 2005-02-23 07:06pm

My comment on Imperial "under-militarization" was meant to put things in perspective. Its the nature of empires to be "under-militarized" because they aren't under threat. The Roman Empire ruled 80-100 million people with less than 500,000, and most people think of Rome as this uber-militarized, society with this huge army they used to put down any resistance. The Roman Empire had no reserve with which to conduct offensive operaions. And they only had one soldier for every 1600-2000 people that means only .16%-.2% of the population was in the military so actually the Galactic Empire seems to me to be more militarized than the Roman Empire one of the best and most feared armies in history. Also, the Roman Republic when it was under threat from the Gauls, Spanish, Greeks, and Carthaginians, and during the Civil Wars which resulted in in the formation of the Empire was extremely militarized with 170,000 out of a manpower pool of 350,000 mobilized. Which implies that the Galactic Empire if under threat from a dangerous outside enemy or during a major civil war, would and could perhaps mobilize half their able-bodied male population.

NRS Guardian · Post by **NRS Guardian** » 2005-02-23 07:09pm

Sorry thats .0625%-.05% of the population was in the military.

Junghalli · Post by **Junghalli** » 2005-02-23 07:54pm

NRS Guardian wrote:Which implies that the Galactic Empire if under threat from a dangerous outside enemy or during a major civil war, would and could perhaps mobilize half their able-bodied male population.

Question is would they be able to produce enough spacecraft to carry all those quadrillions of men?

consequences · Post by **consequences** » 2005-02-23 08:18pm

Junghalli wrote:
NRS Guardian wrote:Which implies that the Galactic Empire if under threat from a dangerous outside enemy or during a major civil war, would and could perhaps mobilize half their able-bodied male population.
Question is would they be able to produce enough spacecraft to carry all those quadrillions of men?

Take the DS2. Convert the outer hundred kilometers into troop barracks, with each taking up thirty feet(including half of the depth of floor and ceiling until it reaches the half that is the next level in each direction). Fill with people. If my math is anywhere close to correct, that's two million square kilometers for the outer layer, multiplied by ten thousand odd levels. Fill with people.

They have enough raw transport capability to strip the oceans off of a world just to show off how vindictive they are, moving any half-way reasonable number of people around should be a trivial exercise if they choose to expend the resources.

Scrubula · Post by **Scrubula** » 2005-03-29 09:13am

It's a common Trekkie tactic to claim that good always triumphs over evil.

I contend differently. When you have an enemy that essentially will committ any atrocity, any terror attack, any mass extermination -- regardless that we'd all like to believe that good wins in the end -- in reality it doesn't.

Gee, hmmm, is there some other source that seems to indicate that, in the end, good will overcome evil? Oh, wait, I know, THE FUCKING STAR WARS MOVIES THEMSELVES!!!!! God damn, do you guys even take time off of wanking to the EU to watch the movies? From what I've read on these boards, it would seem the answer is no.

The mighty empire ruled for what, 50 years tops, before it was utterly defeated by a smaller, weaker orgainization.

Post by **Ghost Rider** » 2005-03-29 09:18am

Dipshit, if you're going to blather...do it without Necroing shit and yabbering like a blithering moron by going "WRITERS INTENT!!!!"

Post by **Vympel** » 2005-03-29 09:19am

Scrubula wrote: Gee, hmmm, is there some other source that seems to indicate that, in the end, good will overcome evil? Oh, wait, I know, THE FUCKING STAR WARS MOVIES THEMSELVES!!!!! God damn, do you guys even take time off of wanking to the EU to watch the movies? From what I've read on these boards, it would seem the answer is no.

Of course, the movies are focused on the Skywalker family saga- and are a conflict between peer enemies. To suggest that "good overcomes evil" is some kind of universal rule is utterly fucking moronic.

The mighty empire ruled for what, 50 years tops, before it was utterly defeated by a smaller, weaker orgainization.

Bollocks. The only reason it was defeated was because the Rebellion had Luke Skywalker. No other reason. If Palpatine hadn't been killed by Vader, nothing would've changed. In fact, there was no reason for the entire Battle of Endor to happen save for Luke to be turned to the Dark Side by watching his friends- both the fleet and on the planet, died.