Which is better Star Wars androids or Star Trek androids?

[Nick Lancaster]

Note also that androids in Star Trek are often portrayed as having no emotions or that emotions are inconsistent with their shiny little brains. The Mudd androids didn't really grok emotions; the Corby androids either detest human emotion or fry their circuits; Flint's Rayna consistently suffered catastrophic failure when faced with emotions. Like the Vulcan paradigm, emotion or excessive/uncontrolled emotion is seen as 'bad.'

Data is without emotion, but we find that this is a deliberate omission due to Lore's problems - Lore is essentially a sociopath. Soong apparently correct this problem - the Julianna replica seems to mimic emotions fairly well (unless her ability is the result of direct engram transferral) - and he develops a chip to upgrade Data, which gets installed into Lore by mistake. (It is not clear how Data manages to 'fix' the chip in First Contact, or why it 'fuses' with his positronic brain.)

On the other hand, SW droids become quirky and individual, gaining 'personalities' if their memories aren't wiped on a regular basis. That may be rationalizing Lucas' memories of tinkering on cars, or simple anthromorphization of a machine. (Instead, note that it's Force-sensitive clones that have the emotional/balance issues.)

[Slartibartfast]

IIRC, that was Xizor pondering over whether she could or not.

Xizor pondering about fucking everything was the main reason I couldn't read that book...

[Darth Servo]

I once met a guy who wanked over the "more advanced" ST androids (or EMH?) which could dream, do art (painting, music) Does that count as an "advance"? Anyway just curious, have SW droids shown similar feats? So far I know there is reference that they have so-called "electronic hallucinations".

SW doesn't waste time with such irritating trivialities.

[Slartibartfast]

Soong apparently correct this problem - the Julianna replica seems to mimic emotions fairly well (unless her ability is the result of direct engram transferral)

That seems to be the case, since Data briefly had emotions when the Schizoid Man took over his mind.

It makes it a bit retarded that Data needs a special emotion chip, since simple change of software (the Schizoid's mind in this case) could confer him emotions. Unless the chip is merely a ROM chip.

[Darth Servo]

That seems to be the case, since Data briefly had emotions when the Schizoid Man took over his mind.

It makes it a bit retarded that Data needs a special emotion chip, since simple change of software (the Schizoid's mind in this case) could confer him emotions. Unless the chip is merely a ROM chip.

Keep in mind, there clearly is such a thing as a soul in ST. Picard continued to have some level of consciousness even after his body was destroyed in "Lonely Among Us"

[Shogoki]

3PO telling the story to the Ewoks complete with sound effects could be classified as art, and it's something 3PO itself said he couldn't do in ANH.

[Gunhead]

3PO telling the story to the Ewoks complete with sound effects could be classified as art, and it's something 3PO itself said he couldn't do in ANH.

Actually he said he wasn't much of a storyteller, not that he couldn't do it.

-Gunhead

[JediMaster415]

Which NJO?

Force Heretic II: Refugee.

[Lord of the Farce]

Which NJO?

Force Heretic II: Refugee.

With the name of the guy/HRD replaced with ***, some quotes:

Jaina could hear *** running down stairs two floors below. His footfalls were heavy and, incredibly, unflagging. The source of his strength and endurance concerned her. Even she was beginning to tire, despite having the Force to augment her stamina.

The door had barely begun to swing back when something struck out at her from the gloom on the far side.
...
Something whizzed through the air toward her. She moved her head just as a small bolt ricocheted off the wall behind her, leaving a deep dent. Her first thought was that he was using a slingshot, but his hands were clearly empty.
...
He's throwing them! she thought, incredulous.

She sent a Force push that would have thrown an ordinary man off his feet. All it did to ***, though, was make him stagger backward.
...
He had no intention of sticking around to fight. Instead he disappeared though yet another door with disconcerting speed.
...
Whatever was going on, it was obvious she wasn't going to be able to catch him with speed alone. She was going to have to try something else.

"I'm afraid that the best intentions can often count for nothing," he said, suddenly dropping down behind her. "Not when survival is at stake."
She spun around to strike out at him, but he knocked her aside as if she were nothing more than a rag doll. His speed and strength were far beyond those of an ordinary man. She shoved off the wall and came back at him with a strike to the head, igniting her lightsaber with the other hand as she did so. He was under the blow before it could connect, punching up at her and knocking her off her feet. She flew five meters through the air, her lightsaber inscribing a wide, black arc on the floor as she fell - but she didn't let go of it.

He feinted to her left, then came at her from thr right, ducking under the blade and deliverying a blow to her chest that felt as though she'd been hit by a force pike. She flew off her feet again and landed on her backside with a painful grunt. This time her grip on her lightsaber failed and the weapon went skittering across the floor. Before she could snatch it back with the Force, *** had already stepped up to finish her off.

[Slartibartfast]

3PO telling the story to the Ewoks complete with sound effects could be classified as art, and it's something 3PO itself said he couldn't do in ANH.

Actually he said he wasn't much of a storyteller, not that he couldn't do it.

Yeah, he's just being modest.

[Slartibartfast]

BTW, R2 was providing the FX.