Noghiri vs ST

Kamakazie Sith · Post by **Kamakazie Sith** » 2005-06-16 07:30pm

Batman wrote:*seriously hurts Kamikazie Sith and Lone_Prodigy*

What because I don't subscibe to super soldier Noghiri? They're good, but give me a fucking break. Twelve of them are facing an entire starship, and the devices they have at their disposal. They'll do very well, but they won't survive.

Noble Ire · Post by **Noble Ire** » 2005-06-16 07:33pm

Kamakazie Sith wrote:
Batman wrote:*seriously hurts Kamikazie Sith and Lone_Prodigy*
What because I don't subscibe to super soldier Noghiri? They're good, but give me a fucking break. Twelve of them are facing an entire starship, and the devices they have at their disposal. They'll do very well, but they won't survive.

I believe he was refering to your spelling.

Kamakazie Sith · Post by **Kamakazie Sith** » 2005-06-16 07:34pm

Pure Sabacc wrote:
Kamakazie Sith wrote:
Batman wrote:*seriously hurts Kamikazie Sith and Lone_Prodigy*
What because I don't subscibe to super soldier Noghiri? They're good, but give me a fucking break. Twelve of them are facing an entire starship, and the devices they have at their disposal. They'll do very well, but they won't survive.
I believe he was refering to your spelling.

I've been here since the start of this board and now he's refering to my spelling. He can go fuck himself, HARD.

Trekdestroyer · Post by **Trekdestroyer** » 2005-06-16 07:37pm

It al depends on the ship class, the details of the Noghiri's briefing (supposing that the Empire has already done extensive research on Federation ships) the efficency of the security personell, and when in Trek this scenario takes place. As you can see, it has a number of factors that change the outcome. After all, the Empire can't win every scenario.

Kamakazie Sith · Post by **Kamakazie Sith** » 2005-06-16 07:41pm

Kamakazie Sith wrote:
Batman wrote:*seriously hurts Kamikazie Sith and Lone_Prodigy*
What because I don't subscibe to super soldier Noghiri? They're good, but give me a fucking break. Twelve of them are facing an entire starship, and the devices they have at their disposal. They'll do very well, but they won't survive.

In the case it's not about the spelling then I apologize. However, I leave you with this. It's spelled Kamikaze.

Also, CaptJodan does bring up some good points. It's possible that the Noghiri would be able to destroy the ship if they could reach engineering. I suppose it would also depend if this is pre-Dominion War or post.

Kamakazie Sith · Post by **Kamakazie Sith** » 2005-06-16 07:53pm

Pure Sabacc wrote:
I believe he was refering to your spelling.

Oh you mean the Noghri spelling! You should really be more specific.

Just kidding, my fault. Sorry Batman.

Batman · Post by **Batman** » 2005-06-16 07:58pm

Kamakazie Sith wrote: Just kidding, my fault. Sorry Batman.

You are forgiven. Now, let's get back on topic.

Kamakazie Sith · Post by **Kamakazie Sith** » 2005-06-16 08:03pm

Batman wrote:
Kamakazie Sith wrote: Just kidding, my fault. Sorry Batman.
You are forgiven. Now, let's get back on topic.

Nemesis really does fuck things up for the Star Trek side. I'm not really sure anymore. I guess it depends on how the Captain of the UFP starship handles the scenario. If he's isn't like Picard then it's manageable, if he is like Picard then it is hopeless.

CaptJodan · Post by **CaptJodan** » 2005-06-16 08:33pm

I think the topic itself is just too broad. We don't know enough about Klingon anti-boarding actions to reasonably guess (though if they hold to their usual standard, it's Bat'leths and growling all the way). The same goes for most other species. The OP was just too non-specific as to what we're really talking about here.

If we are referring to the Federation, you still need some kind of context. How did they get aboard? What's their mission? Where did they infiltrate (bridge, the lower decks, what?) And most importantly, what kind of intelligence do they have and what do they bring along? A Noghri properly informed about the different levels of security aboard a Federation starship would, I believe, be able to get around said defenses, especially since we've seen such displays in the past. If they know nothing at all about the starship, they could still inflict heavy casualities, but probably would fall to some form of security measure.

A smaller class of ship, like a Sabre or Defiant or BOP may also be easily overrun.

And then there's Nemesis, where it's really likely that 12 Noghri are all you'd need to take over the ship, due to the lack of any security measures employed there, the lack of tactical thinking on the part of the command staff (turn up the lights), and the horrible display of marksmanship of all parties invovled.

As I said, we just don't know enough to make broad generalizations. Need a better scenario.

Perseid · Post by **Perseid** » 2005-06-17 03:23pm

The scenario was that th Noghri were ACCIDENTLY transported onto the ship.
However since more information has been asked for here you go.

The Noghri squad gets transported into an area of the ship that has got a computer terminal with very little in the way of security, think a cargo hold on a Fed ship. They start out with very little intelligence concerning their surroundings, since no ship has ever been captured for study thanks to the Warp core breaches. The only information that they do have is to do with weapons and internal sensor tech. Also they have been studying the race(s) carefully for months to get a basic understanding of their tactics.
Their objective is to capture the two key areas, the bridge and main engineering, body count is not a problem. The main idea is that they capture the ship and get it back to their Imperial masters.

Again I state that ship class and species are completly your choice to pit against the Noghri, just don't go for the zerg of one thousand red-shirts since no fed ship has a one thousand strong security team, but again you get to choose the ship class and the species.

Hope this clears up a few details

Srynerson · Post by **Srynerson** » 2005-06-18 12:30pm

We can probably add Tholians to the list of Trek races that could defeat the boarding party, but that's in large part due to the fact that the Noghri would be cooked and poisoned by the ship's atmosphere within moments of materialization.

FTeik · Post by **FTeik** » 2005-06-18 02:28pm

Only the force-fields are down?

"Computer, beam all non-klingons into space."

Same goes for romulan and Jem'Hadar-ships. On a Federation-ship it might be a bit more difficult, because of its diverse crew.

Hmmm, is sensor-jamming equipment standard for a Noghri-DC?

Perseid · Post by **Perseid** » 2005-06-18 03:05pm

FTeik wrote: Hmmm, is sensor-jamming equipment standard for a Noghri-DC?

Not sure but they are very difficult to detect

Batman · Post by **Batman** » 2005-06-18 04:50pm

Mr CorSec wrote:]
Not sure but they are very difficult to detect

Urm-excuse me? They're difficult to see if they don't want to be seen but I recall nothing about them being hard to find with sensors. Indeed, in 'Dark force Risisng' Leia and Chewie (may he rest in piece) are worried about being noticed for their non-Noghri sensor signature.

Gordonfrost · Post by **Gordonfrost** » 2005-06-18 07:42pm

What's a Noghiri compared to a founder? The feds have plenty of security measures against an enemy far more difficult to detect than these guys.

Of course, pre-war they get slaughtered.

Batman · Post by **Batman** » 2005-06-18 07:48pm

What did I say about people spelling it 'Noghiri'?
And considering that the Feds had to go to modifying Phasers into active sensors to detect Founders I would'nt use that as an example for Fed sensor technology if I were you.

Gordonfrost · Post by **Gordonfrost** » 2005-06-18 08:06pm

And considering that the Feds had to go to modifying Phasers into active sensors to detect Founders I would'nt use that as an example for Fed sensor technology if I were you.

We don't know anything about how the founders' shapeshifting works or how they can be detected. There is absolutely no way of judging federation sensors by their abilities in detecting hiding founders.

Batman · Post by **Batman** » 2005-06-18 08:12pm

Gordonfrost wrote: We don't know anything about how the founders' shapeshifting works or how they can be detected. There is absolutely no way of judging federation sensors by their abilities in detecting hiding founders.

Yes there is.

Gordonfrost · Post by **Gordonfrost** » 2005-06-18 08:23pm

How can you judge ensors on their failure to detect something with totally unknown properties?

Batman · Post by **Batman** » 2005-06-18 08:30pm

Gordonfrost wrote:How can you judge ensors on their failure to detect something with totally unknown properties?

Excuse me? they have density, they have mass, they have a body temperature, a shitload of other properties-sensors might not be able to identify them but that's that. Besides, my point was that Noghri have never shown any inherent sensor-defying capabilities.

Perseid · Post by **Perseid** » 2005-06-19 03:16am

Ok so Noghri don't have a sensor bafle ability as standard, but that doesn't really matter on a Fed ship, all the Captains going to do is send a security detail down to the area where the Noghri have been detected and then wonder why the security team has been wiped out without fireing a single shot.
And if the Noghri were smart they'd disable the transporters from the cargo bay they arrived in, which dumb fuck added a direct access to the main transporter systems to an infiltration point anyway

Argosh · Post by **Argosh** » 2005-06-19 08:47am

How's this:
The 12 Noghri appear in 7 of 9's room on Voyager. After 'playing' with her, they persuade 7 of 9 to help them take over Voyager's computers. After some more 'playing' they space the crew of Voyager and set course for Imperial Space.

Perseid · Post by **Perseid** » 2005-06-19 12:01pm

Argosh wrote:How's this:
The 12 Noghri appear in 7 of 9's room on Voyager. After 'playing' with her, they persuade 7 of 9 to help them take over Voyager's computers. After some more 'playing' they space the crew of Voyager and set course for Imperial Space.

lol I like that plan, doesn't involve any complications at all