Most powerful Star Trek power UNDER IMPERIAL RULE

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Which major Star Trek power will be most useful as an Imperial ally?

The United Federation of Planets (not to be confused with Balok's First Federation)
9
16%
The Dominion
17
30%
The Klingon Empire
1
2%
The Romulan Star Empire
18
32%
The Cardassian Union
3
5%
The Ferengi Alliance
8
14%
 
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Sidewinder wrote:When the captured officers are released back to their respective Star Trek government's custodies, which governments will accept Thrawn's offer?
:arrow: The United Federation of Planets: The UFP splinters apart because of the desire for individual planets to survive when the Human dominated Federation defies Thrawn and rejects his offer. Starfleet makes a pathetic last stand and by doing so, learns the meaning of Base Delta Zero. Any planet that did not originally secede from the UFP would do so after Paris and the rest of Earth was glassed from orbit.

:arrow: The Dominion: The Founders reject the Imperials by telling Thrawn they will never be subjugated by a solid. When the Great Lake is hammered with Turbolaser fire from high orbit, the Vorta fall in line. The Jem Hadar either goes kamikaze on Thrawn or they see that the Founders are not Gods, and submit to Imperial Rule (since they will undoubtedly control all the Ketracel White through the Vorta).

:arrow: The Klingon Empire: Klingon honor and politics is never consistent, which is why I think that the Lobster heads would instantly go to civil war. Some will fight against these new enemies of the Empire because it is the 'honorable' thing to do. The less honorable and more ambitious Bastards who don't fight Thrawn will shout "Glory to The Empire" (Not the Klingon one) as they greedily take the shiny new blaster rifles their new Emperor supplies them.

:arrow: The Romulan Star Empire: The Romulans, being the crafty SOB's they are, eagerly agree to Thrawn's terms. Maybe too eagerly.

:arrow: The Cardassian Union: I see no reason why the Cardies wouldn't immediately submit to the Imperials; they let the Dominion steamroll over them. Some might be wary to accept Thrawn and his offer because of the aftermath of the Dominion War. I imagine all reservations would disappear once the Imperials offer to rebuild Cardassia.

:arrow: The Ferengi Alliance: With the exception of Rom, I've never known a Ferengi to turn down the chance to make profit. The Grand Nagus declines to rule the Milky Way, but instead reserves the right to tax its denizens, lay duties on all kinds of goods and services in all four quadrants, and otherwise control their financial futures...with Imperial Power to enforce the terms of the contracts that will choke the Star Trek universe with more red tape than the combined Q continuum can even conceive.
Sidewinder wrote:Will Thrawn find them useful in helping him subjugate the other Star Trek powers?


:arrow:United Federation of Planets: As a whole, no. However, individual planets who secede may would be helpful in controlling those who do not. That is, if Thrawn felt like dealing with THAT drama. :roll:

:arrow:The Dominion: Not as long as the Founders are alive. If the hierarchy of the Dominion is maintained with Thrawn at the top of the pyramid instead of the Liquids, then absolutely, they would be helpful. Much of the Star Trek Universe already fears them; with Imperial leadership and Star Wars level technoogy, that fear would be a tremendous asset for Grand Admiral Thrawn.

:arrow:The Klingon Empire: Klingons make good suicide troops and enforcers, but are pretty lousy at everything else. They would be helpful in the fact that if Thrawn made an example of the Klingons (as opposed to a race like...the Pakleds), most of the AQ would instantly cower and submit to Imperial Rule.

:arrow:The Romulan Star Empire: Better allies than the Klingons, but the Romulans are too crafty to be trusted. Not helpful to Thrawn unless made an example of like the Klingons. The Remans aren't even worth mentioning.

:arrow:The Cardassian UnionMost definitely yes. They did assist the Dominion in their ambitions for the AQ after all.

:arrow:The Ferengi Allaince: From an economic standpoint, yes. Through the Grand Nagus, Thrawn can secure connections and deals he wouldn't have been able to otherwise. As long as the little bastards are making gold-pressed latinum, they'll do whatever the good Admiral wants.
Sidewinder wrote:Which species will be more successful as Imperial Army/Navy recruits?
:arrow:United Federation of Planets:Those who looked the most human and humans themselves; rising through the ranks of the Imperial Army is easier the less alien you are. But then again, rank does not necessarily define success. Of course, with the values that are taught in the Federation and Starfleet Academy in particular, it may be a few generations before Thrawn accepts any recruits from the UFP.

:arrow:The Dominion: In general, The Vorta would be good officers and yes men while the Jem Hadar would make good suicide shock troops. Or Stormtroopers if they learned a few minor details about...oh, how to be something other than an incompetent suicide shock trooper.

:arrow:The Klingons: No, because the definition of success to most Klingons is reaping glory in battle. Things like watching borders, maintaining the order in peacetime, supply and logistics, administration, and the other finer points of how to exist/run a real military are lost on the Klingons. (Note:I say this based on what I've seen and heard from analysis of Klingons in Trek by others, NOT by actual military experience.)

:arrow:The Romulans: Yes.

:arrow:The Cardassians: Another Yes.

:arrow:The Ferengi: I don't think so, but then again, most Ferengi would rather be an outside contractor for the military as opposed to being in it. The aberrations like Nog who lack traditional Ferengi values would find Imperial military life more difficult but not entirely impossible to deal with.
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Stark wrote:Can anyone point at a scene in the movies and say 'see? Xenophobic'. Because I've never in twenty years of watching SW movies seen it.
Ditto. EU brainbug methinks.
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When they do I like to point out Leia's "Get that walking carpet out of my way!" line, also in reference to Chewie.

And I think the word of Leia Organa, top leader in the Rebellion has more impact that John Nobody, prison guard. :twisted:
As for the "walking carpet" comment, I highly doubt that comment was said with xenophobic/racist intent as opposed to just being a colorful metaphor.

OTOH, the guard from cell block AA-23 may have been a racist, xenophobic bantha fucker, but that doesn't mean ALL Imperials are. Maybe this particular guard came had honestly never seen a Wookiee in his life; the Star Wars Universe is a big place.

But yeah, Princess Leia >>>>>>> guard
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I think people sorely under estimate the Ferengi in situations like this. As a military power they are as good as any other in the Alpha Quadrant and IIRC they didn;t get involved in the Dominion War giving them a fresher fleet than any other power. Their D'Kora class ships where strong enough to take on A Galaxy, in a non-canon DS9 book they easily destroyed several Bjoran ships, even Sisko on the Defiant was reluctant to engage them. And while it's been a while since any where seen on screen anyone who thinks the Ferengi Alliance wouldn't keep the weapon systems of their ships up do date is a fool.

For Thrawn they'd make the perfect patsies, easily to manipulate, yet strong in their area.
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Mario1470 wrote:As for the "walking carpet" comment, I highly doubt that comment was said with xenophobic/racist intent as opposed to just being a colorful metaphor.

OTOH, the guard from cell block AA-23 may have been a racist, xenophobic bantha fucker, but that doesn't mean ALL Imperials are. Maybe this particular guard came had honestly never seen a Wookiee in his life; the Star Wars Universe is a big place.

But yeah, Princess Leia >>>>>>> guard
Oh I don't think Leia's comment was racist itself.
However I use that and other evidence from the movies to show how Imperial racism is an EU brain bug, and you can apply similar faulty logic to the Rebellion to make them look xenophobic. :P
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To those who believe the Vorta are useful to the Galactic Empire, please remember that the Founders genetically modified the Vorta to worship them as gods. The Vorta will NEVER change their loyalties unless the Galactic Empire reverse-engineers the Founders' genetic engineering technology, e.g., to create Vorta who'll worship Thrawn as a god. (Weyoun 6 was an anomaly.)

If the Empire wants to take control over the Dominion, and the Founders refuse to submit to Thrawn, the Chiss will exterminate the Changelings, Vorta, and Jem'Hadar as an example to the other Dominion races. (Considerable effort will be made to capture and reverse-engineer Dominion genetic engineering and cloning technology.) Planetary governors in the Dominion will then be offered promotions to the rank of Moff and, possibly, seats on the Imperial Council of Moffs-- those who reject this offer will meet the same fate as the Changelings, Vorta, and Jem'Hadar.
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(Weyoun 6 was an anomaly.)
Weyoun 6 still worshipped the Founders as his supreme Gods and honestly believed he was acting in their best interest when he defected. He even killed himself to save his God Odo, remember ?
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I think Thrawn would conqure the dominion and capture there cloning facilaties to make his own clone army. I dont think he would bother useing the Jem`hadar.


New clone troops every where :D
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Dark wrote:I think Thrawn would conqure the dominion and capture there cloning facilaties to make his own clone army. I dont think he would bother useing the Jem`hadar.


New clone troops every where :D
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And you getting your two cents in helps the situation...how?
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DesertFly wrote:And you getting your two cents in helps the situation...how?
Point. I guess it's the whole "It's not you, it's the nine thousand nine hundred ninety nine fucking dipshits who did exactly the same fucking thing before you" principle operating.
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That does seem to be common amoung newbies. So common, in fact, that I wonder if there isn't some sort of conspiracy...hmm....
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And it amazing the person is not a newbie, but just a moron. :roll:

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