Darth Vader vs. Data . . . .

[Yogi]

Let's say, I wondered one say who would be faster? Speed Racer, Straight Couger (from sCRYed), and that loser from Initial D. So, I post a fight asking who would win in a race?

The answer I get back? Striaght Couger will manifest his third level Alter and (literally) kill the other two contestants (he can).

I reply "Hey! No Cheating! This is supposed to measure how fast you are, not how well you can pound the crap out of each other! New Rule: None of the contestants can actually attack each other."

Darth Wong replies "You're just being a Speed Racer/Initial D wanker by not allowing Straight Couger to rip his opponent's heads off. This is a completely biased contest."

I already KNOW that Straight Couger would kill both of them in a fight (and I would cheer) but that's not the point. Similarly, I want to compare the two's strength, speed, reflexes, coordination, stamina etc. and a Tennis match seemed to be a good idea. Because of that, I am a ST Wanker?

[Darth Fanboy]

HELLO have you saw ESB, Vader was never a tatician, thats why he had Admirals under him. Vaders purpose with Death Squadron was to motivate the captains and crew, I.E. force choke any bastard who messes up.

ESB is PROOF of Vader's tactical knowledge rather than his ignorance in the matter.

Every great General has commanders under him. You think Eisenhower was the only commander at Normandy?

In TESB Vader noticed the flaw's in Admiral Ozzel's misguided exit from hyperspace. Being an expert pilot himself he probably knows a good deal about starfighter command at least. Also, he LED those other TIE fighters down the Death Star trench and only the timely intervention of Han Solo prevented that.

Vader also has other tactical skills. His political maneuvering against Prince Xizor is evidence enough for that.

[Darth Fanboy]

That was the general point I was making, that precog is afaik short term, (5 seconds upper limit kinda thing), and whilst it's probably more than long enough to help in a tennis match, it's of extremely limited use in a game of chess.
This would force Vader to attempt to read Data's mind if he want's any useful precog, and being as it is that data is essentialy a droid, I'm very doubtful of Vader's ability to do that.

Palpatine's ESP and Precog seemed to work a lot longer in advance than 5 seconds. You're thinking of lightsaber duels where you only have that long to react. Palpatine forsaw many events in advance, hence his eventual takeover of the galaxy.

[D.Turtle]

There is a difference between precog and foreseeing.
Precog is short term but very exact.
Foreseeing (foreshadowing) is long term but not as exact.

[Darth Yoshi]

Forseeing isn't always accurate. Palpatine's death is proof of that.

[Darth Fanboy]

Not always exact but it is accurate enough for a chess game as opposed to the grand scheme of all things

Ah the debate about force-guided ESP, perhaps the EU could explain it for us in a vague and lame way so I can assume the total opposite....

[Ghost Rider]

Actually Palp saw his death...but he was far too arrogant to care.

And honestly that the opening is saying Vader is slow is poor capabilties of analyzing while Vader wasn't doing Maul level skill...he is more than able to hold his own or he would've never killed all those Jedis

[Howedar]

I don't think we actually know that Vader killed all of the Jedi, and if he did whether it was through mano a mano combat.

I could be wrong though.

[Ghost Rider]

Given that movies basically give the indication that he was the reason the Emperor slaughtered the order...I doubt he did every single one from high orbit.

[Imperial Officer Miller]

VADER! would rock.. you said he couldn't effect the BALL.. that dun mean he can use the force to make things HIT the ball -smirks-

[Exonerate]

Vader uses his lightsaber in place of the tennis racket, which slices the ball in half everytime. The game ends in a tie, in which Vader dies from exhaustion.