"Admiral" Janeway: Worst fuckup?

[Tsyroc]

I think Janeway should be sentenced to death by endless Voyager reruns.

Forced to watch endless Voyager reruns I predict that her head will explode "Scanners like" but not before she begs to be killed, while admitting all of her guilt.

[GrandMasterTerwynn]

I saw, to my horror, that thread of Picard being court-martialed. Horror, because any sane person could see that there were other far more fitting candidates for trials. Such as a certain gravel-voiced crone from a spoon-shaped starship.

My question, in any case, is this: what was the most stupid/illegal/hypocritical/immoral thing Admiral Kathryn Janeway has done?

Ever deciding to enter Starfleet Academy? Hell, that's more of a fuckup on Starfleet's part . . . I mean, graduating her as an officer in Starfleet, that's gotta be the worst fuckup in Starfleet's history . . . after coming into being, of course.

[0.1]

Being born. Now,while that's technically her parents fault, it is the single worst fault in her entire career as a starfleet officer.

[Grand Admiral Thrawn]

Charges:

Treason

Time:During the events nicknamed "Scorpion"
Specific charge: alliance with a enemy
Captain Janeway willfully made an alliance with the Borg. She agreed to trade modified nanoprobes that were deadly against the Borg's enemy; Species 8472 for passage through their space. In doing so, she gave a crucial weapon to them, which would crush 8472 quickly.




Abaiding Genocide

Time: Scorpion I&II
Specific Charge: Helping with the inslavement/destruction of a species.
Captain Janeway helped the Borg gain a way to defeat 8472 (see above) She did this knowing full well that it was all but certain the Borg would assimilate or completly wipe them all out.


Violation of the Prime Directive
Time: Killing Game
Specific Charge: Giving Technology
Captain Janeway gave holodeck technology to the Hirogen. This violates the Prime Directive. Many a times she had refused to give technology to different species, quoting the PD. Also, this race was hostile, and had captured Voyager

Time: Killing Game
Specific Charge: Allowing technology to fall into other species hands.
The Hirogen had captured Voyager in a battle. She did not self-destuct the ship, allowing it to fall into their hands.

Time: Basics
Specific Charge: Allowing technology to fall into other species hands
Janeway sent Voyager to help Seska, a traitor and her son despite the large chance of a trap. Voyager is attacked multiple times, yet she continues until Voyager is captured outright. This allows all her technology to fall into Kazon hands.

Gross Incompetence

Time: Killing Game:
Specific Charge: Allowing ship to fall into enemy hands.
The Hirogen captured Voyager (see above) Janeway did not destroy Voyager, and allowed her to be given into enemy hands.

NOTE: Commendations to Ensign Harry Kim, and Voyager's Emergency Medical Hologram for their efforts to recapture Voyager.

Time: Basics
Specific Charge: Sending her ship to find a traitor
Janeway sent Voyager to help Seska, a traitor and her son despite the large chance of a trap. Voyager is attacked multiple times, yet she continues until Voyager is captured outright.

NOTE: Commendations to Lt. Tom Paris and EMH for their efforts to retake Voyager. Commendation Posthumously to Ensign Suder for his efforts to retake the ship, and he died heroically saving the 150 lives on Voyager from being stranded on a planet helpless.


Attempted Murder
Time: Equinox
Specific Charge: Attempting to murder
Captain Janeway interogated a captured crewman from a different ship. Janeway leaves her in an unprotected cargo bay, where alien lifeforms would kill her. Chakotay disobeys orders and saves her.

NOTE: Commander Chakotay shall not be charged with violation of direct orders. The orders he was given went against everything Starfleet and the UFP stand for.

[TheDarkling]

Charges:

Treason

Time:During the events nicknamed "Scorpion"
Specific charge: alliance with a enemy
Captain Janeway willfully made an alliance with the Borg. She agreed to trade modified nanoprobes that were deadly against the Borg's enemy; Species 8472 for passage through their space. In doing so, she gave a crucial weapon to them, which would crush 8472 quickly.

The Borg never got the weapon however see was still going to give it to them (although you could say she was bluffing).

Abaiding Genocide

Time: Scorpion I&II
Specific Charge: Helping with the inslavement/destruction of a species.
Captain Janeway helped the Borg gain a way to defeat 8472 (see above) She did this knowing full well that it was all but certain the Borg would assimilate or completly wipe them all out.

See above - no genocide.

Violation of the Prime Directive
Time: Killing Game
Specific Charge: Giving Technology
Captain Janeway gave holodeck technology to the Hirogen. This violates the Prime Directive. Many a times she had refused to give technology to different species, quoting the PD. Also, this race was hostile, and had captured Voyager

Hmm yes its pretty evident that she is guilty here.

Time: Killing Game
Specific Charge: Allowing technology to fall into other species hands.
The Hirogen had captured Voyager in a battle. She did not self-destuct the ship, allowing it to fall into their hands.

Again Guilty.

Time: Basics
Specific Charge: Allowing technology to fall into other species hands
Janeway sent Voyager to help Seska, a traitor and her son despite the large chance of a trap. Voyager is attacked multiple times, yet she continues until Voyager is captured outright. This allows all her technology to fall into Kazon hands.

Hmm she did try to self destruct the vessel so its more Incompetence ni that she risked it even knowing it was probably a trap however civilian lives where on the line.
She may get away with that one.

Gross Incompetence

Time: Killing Game:
Specific Charge: Allowing ship to fall into enemy hands.
The Hirogen captured Voyager (see above) Janeway did not destroy Voyager, and allowed her to be given into enemy hands.

NOTE: Commendations to Ensign Harry Kim, and Voyager's Emergency Medical Hologram for their efforts to recapture Voyager.

Guilty as charged.

Time: Basics
Specific Charge: Sending her ship to find a traitor
Janeway sent Voyager to help Seska, a traitor and her son despite the large chance of a trap. Voyager is attacked multiple times, yet she continues until Voyager is captured outright.

NOTE: Commendations to Lt. Tom Paris and EMH for their efforts to retake Voyager. Commendation Posthumously to Ensign Suder for his efforts to retake the ship, and he died heroically saving the 150 lives on Voyager from being stranded on a planet helpless.

Again this one is close, SF does like its civilians.
Also Suder was an interesting character, on Voyager, what the hell was going on there?

Attempted Murder
Time: Equinox
Specific Charge: Attempting to murder
Captain Janeway interogated a captured crewman from a different ship. Janeway leaves her in an unprotected cargo bay, where alien lifeforms would kill her. Chakotay disobeys orders and saves her.

NOTE: Commander Chakotay shall not be charged with violation of direct orders. The orders he was given went against everything Starfleet and the UFP stand for.

Guilty Guilty Guilty.

It is the judgement of this court that without chance of parole or reprieve you be taken from this place to the dilithium mine of the penal asteriod Rura Penta their to spend the rest of your natural life........ either that of be forced to eat Nellix's food both are fine.

[Grand Admiral Thrawn]

Charges:

Treason

Time:During the events nicknamed "Scorpion"
Specific charge: alliance with a enemy
Captain Janeway willfully made an alliance with the Borg. She agreed to trade modified nanoprobes that were deadly against the Borg's enemy; Species 8472 for passage through their space. In doing so, she gave a crucial weapon to them, which would crush 8472 quickly.

The Borg never got the weapon however see was still going to give it to them (although you could say she was bluffing).

She was willing to work with them.

Abaiding Genocide

Time: Scorpion I&II
Specific Charge: Helping with the inslavement/destruction of a species.
Captain Janeway helped the Borg gain a way to defeat 8472 (see above) She did this knowing full well that it was all but certain the Borg would assimilate or completly wipe them all out.

See above - no genocide.

Oops.

Violation of the Prime Directive
Time: Killing Game
Specific Charge: Giving Technology
Captain Janeway gave holodeck technology to the Hirogen. This violates the Prime Directive. Many a times she had refused to give technology to different species, quoting the PD. Also, this race was hostile, and had captured Voyager

Hmm yes its pretty evident that she is guilty here.

Time: Killing Game
Specific Charge: Allowing technology to fall into other species hands.
The Hirogen had captured Voyager in a battle. She did not self-destuct the ship, allowing it to fall into their hands.

Again Guilty.

Time: Basics
Specific Charge: Allowing technology to fall into other species hands
Janeway sent Voyager to help Seska, a traitor and her son despite the large chance of a trap. Voyager is attacked multiple times, yet she continues until Voyager is captured outright. This allows all her technology to fall into Kazon hands.

Hmm she did try to self destruct the vessel so its more Incompetence ni that she risked it even knowing it was probably a trap however civilian lives where on the line.
She may get away with that one.

I know she tried to blow the ship. That's why I didn't list not self-destucting. But leading Voyager there was stupid.

Gross Incompetence

Time: Killing Game:
Specific Charge: Allowing ship to fall into enemy hands.
The Hirogen captured Voyager (see above) Janeway did not destroy Voyager, and allowed her to be given into enemy hands.

NOTE: Commendations to Ensign Harry Kim, and Voyager's Emergency Medical Hologram for their efforts to recapture Voyager.

Guilty as charged.

Time: Basics
Specific Charge: Sending her ship to find a traitor
Janeway sent Voyager to help Seska, a traitor and her son despite the large chance of a trap. Voyager is attacked multiple times, yet she continues until Voyager is captured outright.

NOTE: Commendations to Lt. Tom Paris and EMH for their efforts to retake Voyager. Commendation Posthumously to Ensign Suder for his efforts to retake the ship, and he died heroically saving the 150 lives on Voyager from being stranded on a planet helpless.

Again this one is close, SF does like its civilians.
Also Suder was an interesting character, on Voyager, what the hell was going on there?

Civilians? Seska was a traitor.

Attempted Murder
Time: Equinox
Specific Charge: Attempting to murder
Captain Janeway interogated a captured crewman from a different ship. Janeway leaves her in an unprotected cargo bay, where alien lifeforms would kill her. Chakotay disobeys orders and saves her.

NOTE: Commander Chakotay shall not be charged with violation of direct orders. The orders he was given went against everything Starfleet and the UFP stand for.

Guilty Guilty Guilty.

It is the judgement of this court that without chance of parole or reprieve you be taken from this place to the dilithium mine of the penal asteriod Rura Penta their to spend the rest of your natural life........ either that of be forced to eat Nellix's food both are fine.

Well, there isn't a death penalty so that's acceptable.

[TheDarkling]

I was refering to the Seska spawn, which in truth wasnt a Feds citizen since it wasnt Chakotay son - they were not to know that however.

The attempted murder was by far the worst since it showed she was unfit for command and that her mental health had declined during their trip around the Delta quad.

You could also question her conduct with 8472 since she gave them the only weapon the Feds could use against them but again this is shaky ground.

[Invader ZIm]

Maybe someone should write a "Law and Order vs Voyager" Fan fic.

I can imagine a great scene with Briscoe and Green arresting Janeway on the bridge. Or her getting grilled by Jack McCoy.









OHH YOU HUMANS WITH YOUR HUGE HEADS!

[Stormbringer]

Janeway's biggest fuckup was being born. The dumbest thing her family did was NOT smothering her in her crib. The mere idea that she would up in a military uniform, even if it is the Hippies in space defense force, boggles the mind.

[RayCav of ASVS]

Janeway's biggest fuckup was being born. The dumbest thing her family did was NOT smothering her in her crib. The mere idea that she would up in a military uniform, even if it is the Hippies in space defense force, boggles the mind.

Janeway's biggest fuckup was not being near a console when first dragged across the galaxy by the caretaker array.

[Stormbringer]

Janeway's biggest fuckup was not being near a console when first dragged across the galaxy by the caretaker array.

But by that time she was already in uniform and in command no less. How many red shirts had she lead, blissfully unaware, to their horribly pointless deaths? How many away teams has she accidentally gotten wiped out? How many alien species has her moronic posturing pissed off? No far better she was killed as an infant. Just point her towards a transporter pad, if skilled operaters have that many accidents how likely is a kid's survival?

[Dennis Toy]

About Janeway leading Voyager into the Kazon trap, the one in Basics Part 1, Janeway is the most incompetent captain or Starfleet has bad recruiting standard. You see in the episode, the Kazon ships were attacking the secondary command processor, the processor is used to activate the Auto-Destruct. Why didn't they see the pattern, they were attacking the secondary processor to shut down the self destruct. Why didn't they realize this, is Starfleet Combat Engineering not on the academy roster

And speaking of engineering...why is the self destruct routed through one processor instead of redundantly being controlled by all the processors, and even if you destroyed all the processors, the Self-Destruct should be connected to a manual control, maybe a 5-minute set countdown closed-system independent of the ships system. You could set it from the bridge or engineering. Starfleet need some real Engineers.

[Patrick Degan]

And speaking of engineering...why is the self destruct routed through one processor instead of redundantly being controlled by all the processors, and even if you destroyed all the processors, the Self-Destruct should be connected to a manual control, maybe a 5-minute set countdown closed-system independent of the ships system. You could set it from the bridge or engineering. Starfleet need some real Engineers.

Well, that's simply the wacky way things are done in Starfleet.

[Isolder74]

And speaking of engineering...why is the self destruct routed through one processor instead of redundantly being controlled by all the processors, and even if you destroyed all the processors, the Self-Destruct should be connected to a manual control, maybe a 5-minute set countdown closed-system independent of the ships system. You could set it from the bridge or engineering. Starfleet need some real Engineers.

Well, that's simply the wacky way things are done in Starfleet.

what like Troi's screwwy command test

[Zoink]

Somewhere in TNG it says that the primary role of a captain to protect the lives of her crew and ship. We know that orders supercede this. However, Janeway was under no order to save the Ocampa, was Janeway *allowed* to strand herself, crew, and ship in the Delta quadrant? Are U.S. naval captains given similar freedom in risking their ships?

[Evil Jerk]

Somewhere in TNG it says that the primary role of a captain to protect the lives of her crew and ship. We know that orders supercede this. However, Janeway was under no order to save the Ocampa, was Janeway *allowed* to strand herself, crew, and ship in the Delta quadrant? Are U.S. naval captains given similar freedom in risking their ships?

I'd imagine that the unsanctioned aiding of somebody while putting one's own crew in danger and making a new enemy would be a court-martiable offense in the U.S. navy.
As for Starfleet, I don't think she was allowed to do that, both the Prime Directive and the obligation to keep her crew safe should've superceeded her own selfish desires to help a people who were dead anyway.
At the most she should've used it and left explosives behind, but deliberatley stranding her ship there must be grossly illegal.

[Grand Admiral Thrawn]

Mike's canon database entries of "The Raven" prove good examples.

[Phil Skayhan]

I always felt that the best case for attempted genocide is made in the episode Dragon's Teeth

I wrote something about Janeway being indicted about back in 2000

www.skayhan.net/July04000.htm