Kelvans

[Straha]

In TOS the Kelvans hijacked the Enterprise to go back to their home the Andromeda Galaxy. They then had Kirk convince them to stay and the colonized in the milky way. Have they popped up since then? Or are they another glitch which has been forgotten.

[TheDarkling]

What do you think?

Nope they disapeared like everything else that appears in Trek, if the Feds used just 3 of their 100s of one hit wonder techs /powerfull allies races they would move up about 4 places on that big Vs chart.

[VF5SS]

If you're talking about the race that were discribe as many components working together in synch with a central brain that became a bit too human, then Ducky's right. They just faded away. Neat episode though.

[Raxmei]

Does anyone remember that quote where the Kelvan leader says how much faster they've made the engines and how long it would take them to reach Andromeda? Since we know how far away Andromeda is, it would be easy to find TOS top warp speeds.

[XaLEv]

300 years, IIRC. ~2.5 million lightyears, divided by 300 gives us 8333 lightyears per year. Dividing by 365 gives us 23 lightyears per day. Plug that into Master Converter and we get 8.4 kilocee.

[TheDarkling]

Kirk What's the point of capturing my ship? Even at maximum warp, the Enterprise couldn't get to Andromeda Galaxy for thousands of years.
Rojan Captain, we will modify its engines, in order to produce velocities far beyond the reach of your science. The journey between galaxies will take less than 300 of your years.
Spock Fascinating. Intergalactic travel requiring only 300 years? That is a leap far beyond anything man has yet accomplished.

[Patrick Degan]

The episode "By Any Other Name" supports the very low warp values which appear to operate in the TNG era. Yet the first season suggests that the Enterprise could travel out to the rim of the galaxy and back in, at most, a few weeks. The episode "That Which Survives" proposes an 11-hour transit to cover a distance of 990.7 lightyears running at only warp 8; a feat possiible only if the ship's FTL velocity reaches up to around 788,000c, while the episode "Is There In Truth No Beauty" has the Enterprise under the momentary control of the insane Lawrence Marvick propelling herself from some position within Federation space to the Barrier in mere minutes. While in other episodes, it takes minutes or even hours for the ship to cross interplanetary distances at warp 9 ("Tomorrow Is Yesterday", "Operation Annihilate", "The Paradise Syndrome").

Warp speeds were whatever the writers needed them to be from episode to episode. None of them ever envisioned a need to maintain consistency in this area. But the end result is that it is very difficult to obtain anything like an accurate measure of warp capability.

[Asst. Asst. Lt. Cmdr. Smi]

That's the thing about ST: inconsistency. It's almost impossible to get them to agree with each other, so many Trekkies use the highest ones, even if they're contradicted by many lower estimates.

[AdmiralKanos]

The only way to rationalize the inconsistencies is to take the anomalously high values and simply conclude that the destination was not that far away (for example, perhaps the Barrier is not a perfect circle, but rather, an uneven phenomenon which moves in and out around its periphery so that it comes very close to Federation territory at some point.