Gorn vs Wookie

YT300000 · Post by **YT300000** » 2003-06-22 08:50pm

Spanky The Dolphin wrote:HTTE says that they come out of the fingers, and Ralrracheen demonstrates for Leia by extending and retracting them.

Then my first theory is made plausible.

Post by **Vympel** » 2003-06-23 12:56am

Gorn are incredibly slow.

Peregrin Toker · Post by **Peregrin Toker** » 2003-06-23 03:36am

Vympel wrote:Gorn are incredibly slow.

Yes, but they're also very, very tough.

Solauren · Post by **Solauren** » 2003-06-23 06:30am

It probably comes down to a question of terrain and the individual Gorn and Wookies combat training etc.

I'd have to say it is a 50:50 fight.

Gorn are reptiles, which generally makes them slower, but alot tougher then mammals (i.e Wookies)

Both are incredibly strong.

Best break down
Gorn vs Wookie
Strength: Probably even. Get me a few of each to experiment on, and I'll tell ya which is stronger.
Speed and Agility: Wookie wins
Toughness: Gorn wins
Natural Weapons: Gorn wins (let's not forget those big ass mouths, possibly poison as well, they are reptiles after all) (Did the Gorn have a tail? If so, that might be usable as a weapon in a brawl)
Aggression: Wookie wins

Death from the Sea · Post by **Death from the Sea** » 2003-06-23 11:29am

The gorn is much stronger than a wookie. I think that wookies are over estimated alot of the time due to everyones love of Chewbacca and wanting him to be unbeatable.

Death from the Sea · Post by **Death from the Sea** » 2003-06-23 11:30am

Damn it. Accidentally hit submit button early.

The Gorn takes this match up.

The Silence and I · Post by **The Silence and I** » 2003-06-23 12:00pm

These are not the best pictures but I think they get the point across.

The rock I assume the Gorn later threw:

An idea of how far above the Gorn Kirk was when he threw

THIS onto it...and it survived.

A Wookie has little chance of hurting it in a hand to hand only fight, the same does not apply to the Gorn. The Gorn wins.

Post by **The Yosemite Bear** » 2003-06-23 02:09pm

Also temprature plays a part too.

If it's hot+moist the Gorn has an advantage. If it's taking place on Hoth the Wookie wins by default.

EmperorChrostas the Cruel · Post by **EmperorChrostas the Cruel** » 2003-06-23 10:05pm

Odd coincidence.
I am watching "the arena" right now.

The rock the Gorn throws at Kirk is a minimum of 1 meter in diameter.(I say bigger, cause the gorn couldn't get his arms around it further.) He then survives a rock more than 1.5 meters falling more than 10 meters.
It stuns him, but most mammals would be a bloody sack of skin at this point. He wasn't cut, showing increadably tough thick skin. That is why the gorn are slow. Lion claws pentrate rhino skin, but not far.
Reptiles are every bit as fast as mammals when at the right temperature.

The wookie is most likely to lose due to overconfidence, believing he is the stronger of the two. A tail would be a good leverage point in in a wrestling match. Very hard to get a gorn on their back, and gripping from the back leaves the tail to fight with, even if the arms and legs won't articulate properly.A bear hug from behind doesn't render you almost helpless the war us tailless ones are.

--Leia-- · Post by **--Leia--** » 2003-06-24 01:45pm

The Wookie would tear the Gorn up. But the Gorn are friggin' cool though!

Connor MacLeod · Post by **Connor MacLeod** » 2003-06-24 03:10pm

Big deal. It took a frigging moon dropped on Chewbacca to finish him off

(and if any of you took that seriously, you're going to end up bent over and bare-assed in a RayCav fic)

Seriously, don't we still need to establish some canon or official precedents for Wookiee strength BEFORE we start arguing this?

Also if someone can get me a vid clip or screenshots of the Gorn scene, I suppose I co uld try scaling it.

neoolong · Post by **neoolong** » 2003-06-24 03:27pm

If the Gorns are really slow, would they be able to move their tails quickly enough to be useful?

Connor MacLeod · Post by **Connor MacLeod** » 2003-06-24 04:35pm

I dunno how much this might help or not, but I just recalled:

What about Return of the Jedi? Isn't Chewbacca holding onto Han's legs while he attempts to rescue Lando? And doesn't he pull them both up after Lando is saved from the Sarlacc?

Post by **NecronLord** » 2003-06-24 04:44pm

Not really, most of their weight would be on the sandy shore of the sarlacc...

Wild Karrde · Post by **Wild Karrde** » 2003-06-25 03:15am

Just to clear something up for everybody, the Gorn don't appear to have tails, if they do they're apparently too small to be used as weapons.

Also a pic of the rock that the Gorn threw:

Dark Hellion · Post by **Dark Hellion** » 2003-06-25 02:34pm

Is it jsut me or does it look like kirk is trying to launch himself at the gorns nuts in the first pick.
To get an idea how tough the Gorn is, a RSK made bazooka couldn't kill him. With the character shields on that man that could have downed a star destroyer, or blown up the Death Star. (its a joke)
Wookies may be very, very strong, but they don't have the necessary brute strength to damage a Gorn.
As for the tearing Ties apart, that can be misleading, if it is just ripping it apart at the seems then it isn't that hard, hell 120 pound weaklings on pcp have been known to tear car doors off there hinges and that isn't "megastrengthed".

Superman · Post by **Superman** » 2003-06-26 08:36am

I have seen "Arena" many times, and I really don't see how a Wookie is going to take a Gorn in a hand to hand combat situation.

I would suggest everyone watch "Arena" again to see what I mean.

Post by **NecronLord** » 2003-06-26 10:48am

Dark Hellion wrote:Is it jsut me or does it look like kirk is trying to launch himself at the gorns nuts in the first pick.

It's just you

To get an idea how tough the Gorn is, a RSK made bazooka couldn't kill him.

More of a cannon really. With sharp diamond projectiles.

The Silence and I · Post by **The Silence and I** » 2003-06-26 12:55pm

Wow, are you saying the Gorn was shot? With a bazooka-like thing...and didn't die!?! Yeah, Gorn takes it

If I understand this right then I doubt a Wookie can hurt a Gorn seriously even if it stood there waiting!

Post by **NecronLord** » 2003-06-26 01:14pm

Kirk gets a tube thing, makes some gunpowder, uses sharp diamonds for projectiles and shoots him in the chest. He is knocked over and stunned, but otherwise unharmed.

Sir Sirius · Post by **Sir Sirius** » 2003-06-26 01:17pm

The Silence and I wrote:Wow, are you saying the Gorn was shot? With a bazooka-like thing...and didn't die!?! Yeah, Gorn takes it If I understand this right then I doubt a Wookie can hurt a Gorn seriously even if it stood there waiting!

It was more like an improvised blackpowder cannon built in to a hollow extra-thick bamboo stalk and firing diamonds. The Gorn got knocked out, but it didn't seem to be seriuosly injured (no wounds were visible IIRC).

There is nothing in the movies to suggest that a Wookie would be anywhere near as strong as a Gorn or as tough, surviving that rock Kirk dropped on it is just insane. I can't remember anything from the EU either.

And about ripping TIEs apart... Eh, either TIE fighters are built out of decidedly sub-standard materials for SW fighters or Chewbacca wrestles with the likes of the Hulk and the Thing. If such a thing has indeed happened in the EU I think we've seen SW EU hit a new low.

The Silence and I · Post by **The Silence and I** » 2003-06-26 01:18pm

Ok, that settles it for me. These guys will never be assimilated by the Borg I would say, let alone fall to a Wookie one on one

Post by **NecronLord** » 2003-06-26 01:22pm

I would like to see the Gorn again myself. Prehaps ST: Ent could feature the Gorn, providing the rumours Kirk talked about.

Lord Poe · Post by **Lord Poe** » 2003-06-26 01:36pm

Just for the record...

its Wookie e

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Gorn vs Wookie

Who is the Victor?