Klingon boarding party beams down on Kashyyyk

[THEHOOLIGANJEDI]

The Wookies do go down to the ground floor, some of the time. It would be no big deal for them to climb down to the ground and bring rocks up a few hundred feet with backpacks.

Let me fill you in on a few facts

Number one, By the time of Leia's Vist to Kashyyk the Wookies not once in thier entire existance ever had a recorded existance EVER set foot on the ground of Kashyyk. The wookies and Peollon both say as much in comments. When they say Layered Death-Trap let me give you an example as I dug up a few old sources

Kashyyk's hosts Woyski(sp?) trees that varry inbetween four to nine KM's)Yes thats right they are miles tall) in size..
Wookie Citys are at the 8KM Mark

To pass thier test of manhood and what-not they must go down 2 KM's into the levels where the Syran Plants are found growing, Imagin a giant Venius Fly Trap and you get a good idea of Syran plants except they also inculde a phermo-agent that works as an attractant to everything from Humans and Wookies to the native wild life.

At the Four KM Mark most offical Imperal or otherwise Explorers are quite dead either from the native plant life(Syran Plants grow in size the lower you go it seems) along with Mobile *Vampire like plants which seem to be a small thorny bush except it has several thick strong rope like vines which are hidden from view either inside the plant or danagling down and act like Whips when it decects motition, Its normaly called Vampire as it drinks the blodly fluid of its victums for substance.

There are also much larger creaters towards the bottom and guide to planets I belive describes giant(Five to thirty meter sized) snakes which are perfeclty blended into the trees
They start around the 3.5Km Mark and the best Imperal Zoologists have been able to do even when guarded by Stormy Squads is the 3Km Mark and while the Wookies have FOKE TALES of people going lower, no one in the last four hundred years has ever gone lower.

Sea-Skimmer you just don't understand how Bad Kashyeek is.. If in six hundred years niether armed and armored Stormys get thier rears handed to them and the Native Wookies too at the 4km and 5km Marks what hope do you think the Wookies have of just strolling down to the ground and graping some rocks and then hauling them up three miles when they can you know..
JUST SHOOT THE SONZA @%@%s!

Quite Right, I think Kashyyk is considered to have some of the deadliest forms of surface life in the Galaxy.

[Admiral Drason]

Klingons get there arms riped off. hehehehe

[Darth Yoshi]

Exactly, Bean. If Wookies go downstairs as a rite of passage, and survive, and not even they dare go to the surface, the Klingons are fucked 500 ways.

[Next of Kin]

Well, I geuss we have it. The poll shows that the Klingons get the dingleberries kicked off their asses. Wookies win.

[Grand Admiral Thrawn]

Simple. Wookies go down. Klingons follow. Klingons are ripped to pieces.

[Xg74]

Typhonis 1, Infantry are referred to as "Crunchies" by tankers, not tread grease.

[Isolder74]

The klingons don't stand a chance. If the Wookies don't kill tham outright then there will be 500 armless Klingons thrashing around on the froor of the Wookie's Cities.

[Xg74]

Honestly, yes Wookies are superior, Klingons do have the potential to be great warriors, but B&B just won't give us any canon evidence that they are good warriors. Oh, the Bat'Leth and using the wrong muscles is invalid since Klingons are not Human, so therefor those muscles could be mroe developed for Klingons.

[Isolder74]

Honestly, yes Wookies are superior, Klingons do have the potential to be great warriors, but B&B just won't give us any canon evidence that they are good warriors. Oh, the Bat'Leth and using the wrong muscles is invalid since Klingons are not Human, so therefor those muscles could be mroe developed for Klingons.

True, having a weapon that only a Klingon would give them certain advantages.

[Master of Ossus]

Using the wrong muscles is actually pretty significant for a couple of reasons.

1. Klingon physiology cannot differ greatly from human physiology because their DNA is similar enough to allow the two "species" to interbreed. Thus, Klingon muscle groups must be similar to human muscle groups.

2. The bone structure on Klingons is still wrong to use the bat'leth.

3. The bat'leth's primary attack appears to be to use the prongs to lock the other guy's bat'leth with yours and then push against the other person, which has always reminded me of deer during mating season. It really is a crappy attack, except for ritual purposes. It should not be used in actual combat.

4. The balance of the weapon is exceptionally poor. Because it has no real use as a stabbing weapon, it has almost no ability to be used except with a long wind up. This is usually unmanageable in such an unecessarily heavy weapon, because it removes the ability to defend oneself.

5. The cutting edges of the bat'leth are poorly designed to cleave through bone. Most weapons are designed to either slip between bones or to push them out of the way and attack soft tissue. However, the way that the bat'leth is designed means that even after a bone has been cleaved once it can still interfere with the blow a second time. And the bat'leth does not guarantee uniformly deep strikes. A blow that would easily kill someone if delivered with a sword may not do so with the bat'leth.

6. The bat'leth's crummy balance also prevents it from providing much reach, limiting its effective range. Since the weapon must be wielded with both hands, it also limits the speed of its use and the ability of the user to strike while keeping distance between himself and his opponent.

These all lead me to believe that the bat'leth was originally designed as a ceremonial weapon, and its adaptation to warfare purposes was idiotic. This is kind of interesting because it indicates that Klingon warfare in the past was almost certainly highly ritualized, and involved little actual bloodshed (much like Anglo-Saxon wars, or combat between the Mayan city states). This is all supported by the similarities between the cultures and the Klingon fixation with honor during warfare. It is also supported by the similar depictions of warfare in Anglo-Saxon myths (Beowulf, etc.), and the Klingon accounts of ancient battles.

[Next of Kin]

Master of Ossus, ironically the Klingons would have a better chance if they dropped their batleths and used their smaller knives.

[Master of Ossus]

Master of Ossus, ironically the Klingons would have a better chance if they dropped their batleths and used their smaller knives.

They probably would. The knife offers greater range, and is less heavy and restrictive. Now TWO knives would be a real improvement, but we can't ask too much of a race that dedicates its entire life to warfare. After all, how can we expect them to think straight when they've been consuming so much blood-wine?

[Darth Yoshi]

When wielding a knife, is there any difference between using two hands and using one?

[Isolder74]

When wielding a knife, is there any difference between using two hands and using one?

Yes one knife in each hand

[Master of Ossus]

Using two hands on one knife is highly flawed. The velocity of the blade is actually considerably lessened in this manner, and one's reach is also more restricted. If the Klingons were honorable enough to realize that a second knife would be useful, then they would vastly improve their ground forces.

[paladin]

Wookies lose after they eat Klingon meat and getted poisoned.

[Darth Yoshi]

That assumes Wookies eat their victims.

[Isolder74]

That assumes Wookies eat their victims.

which they don't

[Next of Kin]

Using the wrong muscles is actually pretty significant for a couple of reasons.

1. Klingon physiology cannot differ greatly from human physiology because their DNA is similar enough to allow the two "species" to interbreed. Thus, Klingon muscle groups must be similar to human muscle groups.

2. The bone structure on Klingons is still wrong to use the bat'leth.

3. The bat'leth's primary attack appears to be to use the prongs to lock the other guy's bat'leth with yours and then push against the other person, which has always reminded me of deer during mating season. It really is a crappy attack, except for ritual purposes. It should not be used in actual combat.

4. The balance of the weapon is exceptionally poor. Because it has no real use as a stabbing weapon, it has almost no ability to be used except with a long wind up. This is usually unmanageable in such an unecessarily heavy weapon, because it removes the ability to defend oneself.

5. The cutting edges of the bat'leth are poorly designed to cleave through bone. Most weapons are designed to either slip between bones or to push them out of the way and attack soft tissue. However, the way that the bat'leth is designed means that even after a bone has been cleaved once it can still interfere with the blow a second time. And the bat'leth does not guarantee uniformly deep strikes. A blow that would easily kill someone if delivered with a sword may not do so with the bat'leth.

6. The bat'leth's crummy balance also prevents it from providing much reach, limiting its effective range. Since the weapon must be wielded with both hands, it also limits the speed of its use and the ability of the user to strike while keeping distance between himself and his opponent.

These all lead me to believe that the bat'leth was originally designed as a ceremonial weapon, and its adaptation to warfare purposes was idiotic. This is kind of interesting because it indicates that Klingon warfare in the past was almost certainly highly ritualized, and involved little actual bloodshed (much like Anglo-Saxon wars, or combat between the Mayan city states). This is all supported by the similarities between the cultures and the Klingon fixation with honor during warfare. It is also supported by the similar depictions of warfare in Anglo-Saxon myths (Beowulf, etc.), and the Klingon accounts of ancient battles.

I'm gald I was able to find this quote of yours MoO. A friend of mine believes that the batleth is truly exceptional weapon...I shall use your key points to dismantal his arguement.

[Lord Pounder]

Back before i got really into being a Warsie i bought a Bat'leth of E-Bay. They are really difficult to use. I fought a mock battle with a mate of mine, he used his Katana and i used my lovely new Bat'leth. He handed me my ass. The Batleth is badly balanced and you have very poor attacking chances compared to a normal shaped weapon like a knife or Sword. also using the thing caused me to strain certain muscles in my bicept and torso. My conclusion is that they look nice but are impratical.

[Vympel]

Well this thread certainly rose out of the grade and has shambled onto page 1

[Next of Kin]

Back before i got really into being a Warsie i bought a Bat'leth of E-Bay. They are really difficult to use. I fought a mock battle with a mate of mine, he used his Katana and i used my lovely new Bat'leth. He handed me my ass. The Batleth is badly balanced and you have very poor attacking chances compared to a normal shaped weapon like a knife or Sword. also using the thing caused me to strain certain muscles in my bicept and torso. My conclusion is that they look nice but are impratical.

You should phone the ST franchise and tell them of this little fact. Hopefully, some new writers will just forget that batleth even existed.

[Vympel]

Well this thread certainly rose out of the grade and has shambled onto page 1

Fuck. GRAVE DAMMIT not grade. Fucken.

[seanrobertson]

Scenario:

The Klingons beam down 500 of their best warriors armed with traditional Klingon weapons and issue a battle challenge to 300 Wookies who armed in their traditional style. What would be the outcome of this battle?

(Fighting to take place in the trees)

Oy!

No fair LOL.

If I was the Klingons, I wouldn't beam anyone down until all
of the trees--the entire planet for that matter--was flat
as a pancake.

I mean, how in the hell COULD a Klingon compete with a Wookie?
Wookies are about as strong as ten men. IOW, they're about
as strong as DATA!

Even a burly Klingon like Worf had his ass utterly kicked by
someone of Data's strength ("Datalore"). To be sure,
sheer strength isn't the only determinant of a HTH fight's
outcome, but given the Wookies' tremendous size, it
goes a VERY long way!

In fairness to Klingons, though, I will say this: at least
Worf and Kruge demonstrated very impressive strength.
Worf effortlessly pressed an average-sized man overhead
at arms' length, with one arm no less, in "Let He Who Is
Without Sin" then threw the guy several meters away.

I am a bodybuilder/powerlifter--not a very good one mind
you--so I do have *some* vague idea what sort of correlation
this would have to [trained] human strength. Without parlor
(cough, WRESTLING!) tricks, it is very hard for even the
strongest men (800-700-500 lbs. deadlift/squat/bench presses
respectively) to overhead press a total of 400 lbs., let
alone handle half that load, unilaterally, from a VERY awkward
position.

Therefore, Worf is about as strong as the strongest people
alive today, or an average of about 6x that of the adult male.

That's pretty damn awesome, but Worf is also exceptional IMO.
Most Klingons, even the mighty General Martok, get their
asses kicked in personal combat with him (and not owing
to vastly inferior skills IMO). Worf was insecure about not
being among other Klingons from the time he was a very small
boy...and we've heard that he trained very hard to compensate
for that.

It's not a stretch to conclude Worf's physical strength
is, therefore, greater than the average Klingon's. And even
with Worf's staggering strength (you'd have to try to lift a
180-200 lb. man to have some idea what a powerhouse he
truly must be), he's about HALF as strong as a Wookie.

Ouch. That's a pretty big gap; moreover, we're talking about
WORF, an exemplary Klingon. The average Klingon might not
be able to overhead press 200 lbs. single-handedly!

Let the Klingons bombard the planet for about an hour
before beaming down, and it'll be fairer

[Faust von ASVS]

To all the people bashing the bat'leth: It was designed by a martial arts expert and several prestigeous dojos in Korea and Japan have recognised it as a valid competition weapon with its own unique fighting style.

In the hands of a person who trained for and with the Bat'leth, it would be a useful weapon.