All good things..........The episode that drove me nuts

Sam Or I · Post by **Sam Or I** » 2002-09-26 05:02pm

Quick Question, did this drive anyone else nuts. The whole reverse time situation, the freakin technobabble anonomly was supposed to move backwards in time, being created by the tacheoyn scan. In the future, when they first scanned the space, they did not detect anything, then they left came back later, then they detected it. If it was going in reverse time, it would not have been created when they went back. Eveytime I see that episode it drives me crazy.

Post by **Mr Bean** » 2002-09-26 05:04pm

One of those things that makes the avarage Voyager Epsiode look good

Alyeska · Post by **Alyeska** » 2002-09-26 05:36pm

It was created by Q and it was understood the whole even was impossible, a paradox. That was the whole point of it, Q created something impossible to test Picard with.

Sam Or I · Post by **Sam Or I** » 2002-09-26 05:58pm

I understand the whole paradox thing. They should have been consistant with it though. The medical ship in the future should have seen the rift, or whatever it was called, tried to scan it, then it should have dissapeared (or be created going the oppisite way in time). But what happened was the medical ship (I don't remember the name) arrived, and they did not see anything, they did the scan, then left, later in the future they come back to it and it has grown (or been created) going foward in time since Time elpsed, not back which was the main story driver. My point, in the future scenes, the rift grows as time advances. The main plot has it growing as time reverses. If you are going to do a paradox do it right, like the original Terminator.

Alyeska · Post by **Alyeska** » 2002-09-26 08:07pm

Sam Or I wrote:I understand the whole paradox thing. They should have been consistant with it though. The medical ship in the future should have seen the rift, or whatever it was called, tried to scan it, then it should have dissapeared (or be created going the oppisite way in time). But what happened was the medical ship (I don't remember the name) arrived, and they did not see anything, they did the scan, then left, later in the future they come back to it and it has grown (or been created) going foward in time since Time elpsed, not back which was the main story driver. My point, in the future scenes, the rift grows as time advances. The main plot has it growing as time reverses. If you are going to do a paradox do it right, like the original Terminator.

Except Q was trying to make things dificult for Picard. Having the rift be there would instantly make the people from the future aware that Picard was telling the truth. Yet Q was doing his best to make it hard for Picard to get assistance from the other time lines.

tharkûn · Post by **tharkûn** » 2002-09-26 08:54pm

Possible simple rationalization ... it was small when they first tried to scan for it ... and they just missed it and it expands at a faster rate into the future.

Australopithicus · Post by **Australopithicus** » 2002-09-27 02:30am

Sam Or I wrote:I understand the whole paradox thing. They should have been consistant with it though. The medical ship in the future should have seen the rift, or whatever it was called, tried to scan it, then it should have dissapeared (or be created going the oppisite way in time). But what happened was the medical ship (I don't remember the name) arrived, and they did not see anything, they did the scan, then left, later in the future they come back to it and it has grown (or been created) going foward in time since Time elpsed, not back which was the main story driver. My point, in the future scenes, the rift grows as time advances. The main plot has it growing as time reverses. If you are going to do a paradox do it right, like the original Terminator.

I think I can explain this. But I'm not sure

Let's see. They were there in 2395. As it gets smaller in time, and Q was, indeed, trying to make things difficult, then he wouldn't have created it in the first place, to make Picard seem like a fool until he understood what the hell was going on, and how to find it. He was partially insane, y'know. Once he knew what was happening 'for that one brief second', Q created the rift for the future. As a matter of happenstance, as anti - time goes backward, then 2364 would be the relative future for the rift. Therefore, regardless of whether Q had created the rift or not in 2395 at the time the Pasteur had arrived, it became obvious that he created it sometime later, and this means that the 2364 and 2370 versions were bigger. At the beginning of life on Earth, it was huge, and destroyed such life. Q informed Picard that the real paradox was lying in the inverse tachyon beams that he used in each universe. Therefore, it goes like this.

Picard finds the place, nothing's there.
Picard realises what's going on, Q creates a miniscule version of the rift.
In 2370, the rift has already been created from their perspective, and thus continues to grow.
In 2364, the rift is much larger, having grown as time goes backwards.
At the so - called beginning, it dominates the sky and dstroys human life.

Hope that clears some things up.

Isolder74 · Post by **Isolder74** » 2002-09-27 06:00pm

This is giving me a headache

RayCav of ASVS · Post by **RayCav of ASVS** » 2002-09-27 07:22pm

Alesyka's right...this episode is pretty easy to rationalize thanks to Q. For all we know, the entire event could have simply happened in Picard's feeble mind.