What's the point in debating other than to debate?

SCVN 2812 · Post by **SCVN 2812** » 2002-07-13 03:40am

Is anybody ever really converted to one side or another in these lenghty debates or, take the first What's the point thread, despite having the facts on our side, was anybody who was already set in the false opinion convinced that the Feds are not actually a bunch of fascists? So I pose the question, is there a point other than just enjoying debating?

SPOOFE · Post by **SPOOFE** » 2002-07-13 05:51am

Some of us enjoy debating, for its numerous intricacies. Sometimes, a good debate between seasoned and intelligent debators can be as intriguing as a sword duel.

I don't give a crap 'bout the whole SW vs. ST issue, aside from its use as debating fodder.

Asst. Asst. Lt. Cmdr. Smi · Post by **Asst. Asst. Lt. Cmdr. Smi** » 2002-07-13 09:07am

Humor. If you've ever read Mike's Mail page, he debated with some pretty stupid and stubborn people.

Needa · Post by **Needa** » 2002-07-13 09:19am

Yes, it may be true that nobody is going to change their mind about the Federation and the Empire, but so what? It's always fun to see SW won in every Versus argument hehe.

Soulman · Post by **Soulman** » 2002-07-13 02:46pm

I don't really care but my opinion has been changed. I used to think that ST would kick SW ass. But now I know that they would have trouble killing a corvette.

TheDarkling · Post by **TheDarkling** » 2002-07-13 02:53pm

I have seen or heard about 1 or 2 people who changed their minds,

However since no one seems to be able to sit down and debate and figure out true figures without it turning into a slanging match we will never know.

The main problem is that the two best sites for info are pro wars and thus a pro trek message doesnt get out.

David · Post by **David** » 2002-07-13 02:54pm

They had trouble killing those little pink tribbles, so I don't see how they would beat the Empire.

TheDarkling · Post by **TheDarkling** » 2002-07-13 02:57pm

The empire got defeated by teedy bears and a farm boy.

People in glass houses.

David · Post by **David** » 2002-07-13 03:03pm

Yeah, but the teddies were rabid and the farm boy had five years to train as a Jedi.

TheDarkling · Post by **TheDarkling** » 2002-07-13 03:07pm

Yeah and those Tribbles were no real threat, they didnt cause the colapse of the federation after all.

Asst. Asst. Lt. Cmdr. Smi · Post by **Asst. Asst. Lt. Cmdr. Smi** » 2002-07-13 03:30pm

But there were millions of teddy bears! And they were on a sugar rush!

EmperorChrostas the Cruel · Post by **EmperorChrostas the Cruel** » 2002-07-13 03:51pm

People do change their minds from a debait, as I am one of them.
I used to think that ST would kick SW's butt, until I came across the famous "I WANT YOU!" website. Star Drek, is like many ultra left ideas. (From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs.) This sounds wonderful, until the ugly side shows. How will this be achieved? What will happen if we do get what we wish for?
Arguement, and influence are not the same, though the goal is the same. To change the beliefs of others.
Examples:
Arguement: Do not touch that, it's hot. SSSS! Ouch! Do not touch that again, it is hot, you will be hurt again.
Influence: if you do/don't do this, then I will hurt/kill/love/reward you.
Belief is changable through both. Which tactic do you use, and which tactic gets the best results?
Even if you lose an arguement, like weight lifting for the mind, you become stronger.

TheDarkling · Post by **TheDarkling** » 2002-07-13 04:01pm

The site is biased so taking it at its word is a mistake.

I cant believe you think star trek is bad because its governments evil.... Empire in star wars??? ringing any bells??

David · Post by **David** » 2002-07-13 04:10pm

ST is bad because the of the inconsistincies and technobabble, not the government.

TheDarkling · Post by **TheDarkling** » 2002-07-13 04:12pm

David: thats you opinion - it was ok until Voyager then the technobabble actually became the show and it was all over.

Asst. Asst. Lt. Cmdr. Smi · Post by **Asst. Asst. Lt. Cmdr. Smi** » 2002-07-13 05:03pm

If it weren't for the technobabble, you wouldn't have so many Trekkies claiming it's more realistic than Star Wars or any other sci-fi series.

TheDarkling · Post by **TheDarkling** » 2002-07-13 05:05pm

They may get the odd thing correct but most of it is simlpy an attempt to fool people into thinking something works in such a way.

User099 · Post by **User099** » 2002-07-14 01:15am

Well, remember, Star Wars spans only about 8 hours of footage (discluding Eps 1&2), it'd be easier to keep track of things than Star Trek which spans hundreds of hours of footage, dozens of years in the making and hundreds of years of timeline. Of course they're going to get something wrong from time to time, but they do tend to invent new things that contradict other things all in the name of a new storyline.

TheDarkling · Post by **TheDarkling** » 2002-07-14 01:25am

The problem with star trek is Voyager.
TOS - All about Kirk being heroic, brotherhood friendship etc.
TNG - Morality and the Human condition.
DS9 - A view on current Society and then finishing up with a few seasons of war.
Voy - Techno talk and .. no just techno talk.

Voy is where it went of the rails in a big way DS9 was woobly but Voyager was a train wreck.

User099 · Post by **User099** » 2002-07-14 02:45am

I wish Voyager could be erased from the anals of history.

SPOOFE · Post by **SPOOFE** » 2002-07-14 10:25pm

The empire got defeated by teedy bears and a farm boy.

You're forgetting the smooth-talking brothah and his souped-up space jalopy, yo.

Asst. Asst. Lt. Cmdr. Smi · Post by **Asst. Asst. Lt. Cmdr. Smi** » 2002-07-14 10:34pm

SPOOFE wrote:
The empire got defeated by teedy bears and a farm boy.
You're forgetting the smooth-talking brothah and his souped-up space jalopy, yo.

Are you talking about Han Solo or Lando Calirissian? Because you sound more like Lando.