New ST-V-SW Site!

Tribun · Post by **Tribun** » 2004-11-14 06:58pm

I think it is no surprise that Darkstar advertises the site on his newspage.

And the stuff I read there....makes me shudder. But on the other hand that is a good way for the vs-community here not to get rusty, but to do a bit of sparring.

neoolong · Post by **neoolong** » 2004-11-14 07:03pm

Is it a joke? Because saying that Darkstar's site is "fair and balanced" is going to bring up connotations of how Fox News is "fair and balanced."

Praxis · Post by **Praxis** » 2004-11-14 07:03pm

+http://www.strek-v-swars.net/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=19

"Seismic charges are more powerful and TL's suck. ISD's have TL's and not Seismic charges. The Slave 1 has Seismic charges. Therefore the Slave 1 is more powerful than an ISD."

Frank Hipper · Post by **Frank Hipper** » 2004-11-14 07:08pm

I only read the rules for posting thread, and had to leave from laughing too hard.

Dalton, that was high-larious!

...noticed Miss Manners made an appearance, as well.

DarkSilver · Post by **DarkSilver** » 2004-11-14 07:09pm

brianeyci wrote:[snip]

A "pro-trek" site that seriously considered the possibility of Trek winning would probably have to consider possibilities only. For example, the entire Federation fleet being equipped with transphasic torpedoes and armor, that doesn't seem too hard to do given that Voyager was able to do this outside a spacedock with a minimum of hassle. But there's the temporal prime directive, and the Enterprise-E doesn't have transphasic torpedoes or abalative armor generators.

On an aside, has anyone calculated the yield of a transphasic torpedo with minimum and maximum values?

Brian

According to Paramount, Transphasic Torpedo's work only against the Borg, they were a custom designed weapon, and have little to no practical use against any other Trek Species who are not in someway Borg. It apparently takes advantage of some isiosynchracy in Borg Shield Technology to allow penetration.

Besides, Temporal Prime Directive would preclude the deployment of said weapon, even if they could be altered to affect other Trek Species in a meaningful way.

SirNitram · Post by **SirNitram** » 2004-11-14 07:10pm

DarkSilver wrote:
brianeyci wrote:[snip]

A "pro-trek" site that seriously considered the possibility of Trek winning would probably have to consider possibilities only. For example, the entire Federation fleet being equipped with transphasic torpedoes and armor, that doesn't seem too hard to do given that Voyager was able to do this outside a spacedock with a minimum of hassle. But there's the temporal prime directive, and the Enterprise-E doesn't have transphasic torpedoes or abalative armor generators.

On an aside, has anyone calculated the yield of a transphasic torpedo with minimum and maximum values?

Brian
According to Paramount, Transphasic Torpedo's work only against the Borg, they were a custom designed weapon, and have little to no practical use against any other Trek Species who are not in someway Borg. It apparently takes advantage of some isiosynchracy in Borg Shield Technology to allow penetration.

Besides, Temporal Prime Directive would preclude the deployment of said weapon, even if they could be altered to affect other Trek Species in a meaningful way.

Interesting on the first paragraph. That's been the assumption since they never showed up in Nemesis. Would you be able to cite the source?

Rogue 9 · Post by **Rogue 9** » 2004-11-14 07:15pm

Frank Hipper wrote:...noticed Miss Manners made an appearance, as well.

As did Grand Theft Cow. TK is closing in.

Frank Hipper · Post by **Frank Hipper** » 2004-11-14 07:17pm

Rogue 9 wrote:
Frank Hipper wrote:...noticed Miss Manners made an appearance, as well.
As did Grand Theft Cow. TK is closing in.

Well, let the hilarity commence.

Post by **Dalton** » 2004-11-14 07:26pm

Frank Hipper wrote:I only read the rules for posting thread, and had to leave from laughing too hard.

Dalton, that was high-larious!

I like to mock threats, especially toothless ones

Dillon · Post by **Dillon** » 2004-11-14 08:02pm

Dalton wrote:
Frank Hipper wrote:I only read the rules for posting thread, and had to leave from laughing too hard.

Dalton, that was high-larious!
I like to mock threats, especially toothless ones

Your lambasting of "Worf" is fucking gold. Allow me to join you in the defeat of the *Klingon warrior*.

SPOOFE · Post by **SPOOFE** » 2004-11-14 09:06pm

I like how the Hairy Mountain Man in brianeyci's thread claims that the reason Fed ships use interior forcefields instead of blast doors is to cut down on weight.

I thought Fed ships had trillions of gigajoules of energy in their warp core. How would a few hundred tons make any significant load to that sort of energy?

Post by **Gandalf** » 2004-11-14 09:15pm

SPOOFE wrote:I like how the Hairy Mountain Man in brianeyci's thread claims that the reason Fed ships use interior forcefields instead of blast doors is to cut down on weight.

I thought Fed ships had trillions of gigajoules of energy in their warp core. How would a few hundred tons make any significant load to that sort of energy?

Considering that the E-Nil is supposed to be a few million, I don't see why a few hundred tons make a difference anyway.

Rogue 9 · Post by **Rogue 9** » 2004-11-14 09:23pm

Okay, got the problem with the server straightened out. Uploading everything back on now. I'll try to get the directory names right so we won't have to go around renaming links.

JediMaster415 · Post by **JediMaster415** » 2004-11-14 09:33pm

This is rich!

When asked to explain the sparks shooting from Leia's arm, Darkstar responds thusly:

They're glowy-bits . . . post-impact glowy-bits cannot alter the trajectory of the bolt pre-impact.

The Dark · Post by **The Dark** » 2004-11-14 09:46pm

JediMaster415 wrote:This is rich!

When asked to explain the sparks shooting from Leia's arm, Darkstar responds thusly:

They're glowy-bits . . . post-impact glowy-bits cannot alter the trajectory of the bolt pre-impact.

"glowy-bits"?

I'm guessing that's the technical term. I wonder what the layman's term is?

Given that we have never seen these "glowy-bits" from other impacts on flesh, but have seen "glowy-bits" from strikes on metal, we must therefore assume that Leia's arm is made of metal. Occam's Razor demands it!

[/satire]

Praxis · Post by **Praxis** » 2004-11-14 09:56pm

You're still coming at it from the wrong angle, while also proving that my lightning analogy was absolutely correct.

To reiterate, the bare-bones issue is this:

1. You and yours claim that the arrow is visible above the backpack in two frames (ignoring the fact that there is an angle discrepancy), and acknowledge that it is not visible in all the others. You chalk all of those others up as film errors, magic shrinking arrows, and so on.

2. I show that the arrow is not visible in numerous frames. The lines above the backpack which you claim to be the arrow in the two contested frames happen to line up with the linear object which I have shown the existence of for years.

It is illogical to resist. The DVDs prove you wrong, once and for all. You can't hide behind pixellated images any longer. The facts are right before your eyes.

-Darkstar on the arrow issue.

SPOOFE · Post by **SPOOFE** » 2004-11-14 10:18pm

If he admits that the images are pixellated, then why does he say that they're clear?

If he claims that the "seam" explains the darkened pixels, then where is the seam in the frames that show nothing?

His defense for one aspect of his argument destroys another aspect of his argument.

Praxis · Post by **Praxis** » 2004-11-14 10:57pm

The ironic thing is, I showed him a pic from the DVD, not VHS.

Master of Ossus · Post by **Master of Ossus** » 2004-11-15 12:56am

Half the morons in the universe have already signed up. The latest member there is TULKAS!

Winston Blake · Post by **Winston Blake** » 2004-11-15 01:36am

As a newbie, i'm finding it somehow gratifying to finally debate Darkstar. I'd heard a lot about him, and now it's almost a Rite of Passage for me to debate him.

It's a bit like having a fistfight with Satan, really. There's a few weirdos out there who worship him, he is constantly used as an example of ultimate evil (stupidity), and his story shocks and frightens noobs (children).

Praxis · Post by **Praxis** » 2004-11-15 01:57am

Winston Blake wrote:As a newbie, i'm finding it somehow gratifying to finally debate Darkstar. I'd heard a lot about him, and now it's almost a Rite of Passage for me to debate him.

It's a bit like having a fistfight with Satan, really. There's a few weirdos out there who worship him, he is constantly used as an example of ultimate evil (stupidity), and his story shocks and frightens noobs (children).

Exactly how I felt at first, but then it became just annoying.

He consistently ignores my major points, and uses fancy words and false analogies to make me look like the idiot and then calls me an 'echo' when I point out that they apply to him.

And several of us have shown him enhanced pictures of the arrow going through the neck body glove, and he repeatedly claims that we haven't shown him anything

I'm starting to see why he's regarded as a troll.

GeneralTacticus · Post by **GeneralTacticus** » 2004-11-15 02:26am

Am I reading that wrong, or did Tulkas just say that planets naturally undergo internal fusion and eventually explode?

+http://www.strek-v-swars.net/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=34

The planet WAS completely destroyed; again, the means is irrelevant, if it can be done reliably. You're just splitting hairs-- particularly considering that the DS most likely blows up planets by simply stimulating the natural process by which planets explode when their internal fusion-processes reach critical-mass, so it's the same thing, i.e. causing the nuclei to simultaneously fuse.

SPOOFE · Post by **SPOOFE** » 2004-11-15 02:36am

He consistently ignores my major points, and uses fancy words and false analogies to make me look like the idiot and then calls me an 'echo' when I point out that they apply to him.

Yeah, that's his MO... accusing you of doing something wrong before you can accuse him. I always found that he hates it when you act amused at him, and act patronizingly. He hates being looked down on.

Rogue 9 · Post by **Rogue 9** » 2004-11-15 02:44am

SPOOFE wrote:
He consistently ignores my major points, and uses fancy words and false analogies to make me look like the idiot and then calls me an 'echo' when I point out that they apply to him.
Yeah, that's his MO... accusing you of doing something wrong before you can accuse him. I always found that he hates it when you act amused at him, and act patronizingly. He hates being looked down on.

He must really hate StarCrossed, then.

Post by **Vympel** » 2004-11-15 02:48am

GeneralTacticus wrote:Am I reading that wrong, or did Tulkas just say that planets naturally undergo internal fusion and eventually explode?

Yeah, I called him on that with a suitably surprised comment at his awe-inspiring fucktardness.