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In the case of Star Wars, would a BDZ (or partial BDZ over, say, half a continent) do the trick? :twisted:
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Solauren wrote:Problem with tossing him into space

Part of him was tossed into space, and it mutated into King Ghidorah
Actually, part of him was carried into space either by Biolante's explosion or Mothra leaving earth, and by combining with crystals and a black hole or something became Space Godzilla.
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Praxis wrote:In the case of Star Wars, would a BDZ (or partial BDZ over, say, half a continent) do the trick? :twisted:
Well, the OP trailed off a bit:
I was just watching Godzilla and I was wondering how each side would deal with him. The reasorces are:
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the ground defenses of Naboo as of
As of what? We haven't a clue as Adamskywalker007 hasn't chimed in about it. But it seems that only ground defences are permitted, so I surmise that BDZ is out.

I would guess that SW ground defences of even a relatively peaceful planet like Naboo would fare rather better than the JSDF due to blaster firepower, but there is still the issue of regeneration.
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Someone who has watched a lot of Godzilla movies,

How fast can Godzilla regenerate

What is the highest yield of weapon that Godzilla has been hit by

How often does Godzilla need to eat

Can Godzilla reproduce

Can Godzilla go subterranean

What is the range of his fire breath

How powerful is his fire breath eg. how long does it take for him to set Tokyo on fire

How long does it take his fire breath to set him on fire

How did they defeat Godzilla in Godzilla movies

Can Godzilla swim

Can Godzilla fly or grow wings

How fast does Godzilla walk

Does Godzilla linger around eg. like destroying shit for the fun of it

How effective are conventional weapons against Godzilla

Has anyone tried using a biological weapon on Godzilla

Has anyone tried using special armor piercing weapons on Godzilla

Does Godzilla have any brains at all, or could he be led into a trap

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brianeyci wrote:*snip*
Well, if we got answers to that, that certainly would help define weaknesses and possible methods of attack.
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Alyrium Denryle wrote:
Kurgan wrote:After watching the original Godzilla (having seen numerous sequels) I've concluded that there are in fact "many Godzillas"... frozen in icebergs, trapped under the ocean/underground/in space, lost on islands whatever.

Unless he's magical (he's just a radioactively mutated dinosaur right?), he can't be disitintegrated and just form himself back together to fight another day...

Modern American Godzilla would get his ass kicked. Godzilla 2000 (for example) would be quite the challenge. I agree with those who suggest his radioactive nature and armor plates might be resistant to transporters and at least low level phasers.
Actually in Godzilla 2000 they exlain how he keeps regenerating. He actually regenerates at a cellular/molecular level. SO you could destroy him, and if so much as a single cell or even a part of a cell(as in,a tiny piece of one of his scales etc) he would regenerate.

*sits back and watches Walper die*
Crap-tastic. I don't seem to remember it being THAT wanky (Godzilla? a single cell?), has it been too long since I watched the movie? Then again, as an intelligent creature, if you reduced him to a single cell, he's effectively dead (consciousness stopped, brain destroyed), and this is just a clone. So I'd call it a technical defeat.

Otherwise you just need somebody with a baggy to come over and drop the thing into a freezer, take it to the lab and incinerate it.
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Lord Zentei wrote:
Kurgan wrote:Speaking of which, I wonder what would happen if some hungry sharks ate up that heart? It's just a big hunk of unprocted meat right? Unless it's radioactive and therefore inediable to sea creatures...
If Godzilla's flesh is so dense that tank shells clatter off him like hailstones, I doubt that sea creatures would be able to chomp bits out of him, even if they don't have to bite through te armoured skin first.
We're talking about the difference here between his outer armored plates and the fleshy hunk of his dismembered internal organs (his heart in this case). Do we have evidence that his heart is also covered in scaley armor?
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHA So Godzilla is like Majin-Buuor Cell (DBZ), regenerating his entire body from a single cell.

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It all depends on the incarnations...at least one or more Godzillas:

- can swim
- can fly by using his breath as a means of propulsion.
- do sleep
- eat meat
- live of radiation
- are empowered by electricity
- are immune to conventional weaponry (including late 20th century Japanese military equipement, like the Type-90 MBT)
- can survive in space, in heavely polluted areas, on the sea floor, on mountain peaks, etc.
- are 50 to 100ms tall
- weigh 20 to 60k tonnes
- use an internal nuclear reactor as a power source
- will meltdown if up to 1200 degrees Celsius internally
- can survive in molten lava
- can "talk"
- uses his "radioactive fire breath"
- uses his "nuclear pulse" (emits some sort of wave in all directions)
- can regenerate in battle
- can grow back to life from a single cell
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I'm fairly certain some of the questions, or at least relating to them, have been brought up in the OSF forum in the past - I'd search myself but it doesn't want to let me onto the Archive board at the moment.

From my Godzilla bookmarks section I can recommend Toho Kingdom and Kaijuphile, these have got info on the movies and monsters - how cannon the stats are I'm not sure.

I'm also betting that some where on the internet someone's done a quantitive analysis of the various Godzillas.

It might be helpful to point out that there have been several versions of Godzilla relating to when the films were made, so you know;

The films made between 1954 and 1975 are called the Showa Series
1984 and 1995 are called the Heisei Series
1999 and 2004 seem to be referred to as the Millennium Series

(Basil Fawlty voice) Don't mention the 1998 American Godzilla, someone mentioned it once but I think we got away with it.

The different series have different takes on what has happened in the Godzilla timeline, which may or may not get confusing, but this is Godzilla.

Also Within the series itself, Godzilla may vary somewhat in size and appearance, the Heisei series Godzilla, from "Godzilla vs King Ghidorah" onward is bigger than the Heisei "Godzilla 1984" Godzilla, allegedly 100 metres and 60,000 tons compared with 80 metres and 50,000 tons. The millennium Godzillas are, for the most part, all different.


Anyway I'll give you answers to 3 of the questions:


How often does Godzilla need to eat

In Godzilla 1984 he rips the reactor out of a nuclear power plant, special effects ensue, and later a scientist comments that the level radiation present at the plant is not what it should be if the reactor had simply been smashed up, Godzilla seemingly "absorbed" the radiation. Or words to that effect.


Does Godzilla linger around eg. like destroying shit for the fun of it

Godzilla smashes things, because that's what Godzilla does. Some reasons include; destroying alien controlled monsters, being controlled by aliens, vengeance against humanity, destroying gigantic alien machines, destroying human controlled monsters, destroying all monsters, the list goes on...
Does Godzilla linger around? You need to give a maximum roaming range as to what you think of as lingering, because you can say Godzilla lingers around Japan.


Can Godzilla swim

He can breathe underwater for long times, Godzilla spent the time between "Godzilla vs. Biollante" and "Godzilla vs King Gidorah" asleep at the bottom of the ocean, he's seen underwater in "Godzilla vs King Gidorah" destroying a Russian submarine which had previously fired up on him. In fact I'm pretty sure the 1954 Godzilla is supposed to live underwater.


How effective are conventional weapons against Godzilla

This one made me laugh, to answer, no not really.


As I've got to go do things, here's some Quick fire answers to the rest of your questions.


How fast can Godzilla regenerate


Don't know an actual number to put to that, I'm guessing quite fast.


What is the highest yield of weapon that Godzilla has been hit by


Probably the "weapons" of the other monsters he's fought, some of which seem comparable to Godzilla's breath e.g. King Ghidorah's beams and Mechagodzilla's ("Terror of Mechagodzilla" variant) revolving missiles - fires out of it's fingers and blew up a whole street, as a 12 year old kid at the time a thought they were immensely cool.


Can Godzilla reproduce


There's been a baby/junior Godzilla in the Hesiei and Showa series, where it came from I can't answer.


Can Godzilla go subterranean

Don't think so, though he smashed his way out of some sort of cave in "Godzilla vs the Sea Monster".


What is the range of his fire breath


Couldn't say, enough to knock out jets that have strafed him a moment or two after the jets pass him.


How powerful is his fire breath eg. how long does it take for him to set Tokyo on fire


Again, I couldn't put a yield or wattage on his breath.


How long does it take his fire breath to set him on fire


eh?


How did they defeat Godzilla in Godzilla movies


We only see Godzilla die on screen twice in the Showa and Heisei films - gets trapped/imprisoned/the crap beaten out him in some others.


Can Godzilla fly or grow wings


No wings, as mentioned already he uses his breath as a rocket motor, though I thought that was in "Godzilla vs Megalon", I suspect I'm wrong.


How fast does Godzilla walk


Couldn't answer that one, he's not really slow other wise it'd take ages for him to get from one end of a city to the other.


Has anyone tried using a biological weapon on Godzilla


The "oxygen destroyer" from the first film could be considered a bio weapon from the events of "Godzilla vs Destroyah".


Has anyone tried using special armor piercing weapons on Godzilla


Mention of some super armour piercing missiles in "Godzilla 2000: Millennium", unfortunately I've not seen that film.


Does Godzilla have any brains at all, or could he be led into a trap


Gets lured into traps at least twice, "Godzilla 1984" and "Godzilla Raids Again"


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I guess we should admit that the Big Guy's powers vary from movie to movie, as the plot dictates. So we should always specify which one we're talking about!
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Here's the thing. The Empire would realize quickly that godzilla can regenerate himself quickly, so they would take him, clone him, and use him as a bio weapon. But thats besides the point, GODZILLA ALWAYS triumphs, or atleast survives, HE IS THE GOD OF DESTRUCTION, and none can withstand his wrath.

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Grahf: Seeker Of Power wrote:Here's the thing. The Empire would realize quickly that godzilla can regenerate himself quickly, so they would take him, clone him, and use him as a bio weapon. But thats besides the point, GODZILLA ALWAYS triumphs, or atleast survives, HE IS THE GOD OF DESTRUCTION, and none can withstand his wrath.

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...practically every video game or movie calls someone "God of Destruction". Especially the MegaMan games. How many "God of Destructions" have we had so far? Hmm...let's see, Zero in his ultimate form had that title...oh, and I believe Bass in the Battle Network games had that title... I'm pretty sure I've seen other games with characters with that title too ;) It's just hype.
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But thats besides the point, GODZILLA ALWAYS triumphs, or atleast survives, HE IS THE GOD OF DESTRUCTION, and none can withstand his wrath.
He certainly doesn't always triumph. And "survivin" has to be taken in the broadest sense of the word for this to apply. But besides this, your argument is the same as "the good guys always win, therefor the Federation/Earth Alliance/Tribbles will beat the Empire".
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WOAH WOAH WOAH, in case you missed it, I was being a little sarcastic there. But anyways, it doesnt matter, cause there will always be another Godzilla to pop-up after they destroy this one, so it is a never ending struggle.
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sorry, my bad. :)
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No problem, I should have realized that would happen. I mean, just read the motto at the top of the page, that says it all. But no problem at all.
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I meant to say as of epsiode 2 after they had built up more after the TPM fiasco. And the reason I couldn't get back on for a while is beacuse my I had finals this week.
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Robert Walper wrote:
Darth Wong wrote:
Robert Walper wrote: No Limits Fallacy.
Godzilla doesn't need infinite firepower, dumb-ass. Just enough to take out the Enterprise's tractor beam, or the ship itself.
Which is why I asked earlier if anyone could quantify his destructive ability in comparison to Trek weaponry to see if it's up to the job.
two things: the destructive capabilitiy of Godzilla's breath weapon?

slight spoiler ahead....



well... in the latest move, Final Wars, he blows up a PLANET... if I'm not mistaken, a superdense extra hard to blow up planet, assuming it's the exact same Gorath as in the stand alone movie Gorath...

so pretty much anything we throw against him is toast... :twisted:

aaaaand....
Lord Zentei wrote:Besides he is a 400' ultradense colossus. Can the tractor beams even move him around?
actually, he's a 50-100 meter ultradense colossus... depending on which movie we're taking him from... :P

oh, and hi, I'm new, and Godzilla IS my fandom...
that and Palladium RPGs, in case the name didn't spell that out for you...
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Kurgan wrote:
Alyrium Denryle wrote:
Kurgan wrote:After watching the original Godzilla (having seen numerous sequels) I've concluded that there are in fact "many Godzillas"... frozen in icebergs, trapped under the ocean/underground/in space, lost on islands whatever.

Unless he's magical (he's just a radioactively mutated dinosaur right?), he can't be disitintegrated and just form himself back together to fight another day...

Modern American Godzilla would get his ass kicked. Godzilla 2000 (for example) would be quite the challenge. I agree with those who suggest his radioactive nature and armor plates might be resistant to transporters and at least low level phasers.
Actually in Godzilla 2000 they exlain how he keeps regenerating. He actually regenerates at a cellular/molecular level. SO you could destroy him, and if so much as a single cell or even a part of a cell(as in,a tiny piece of one of his scales etc) he would regenerate.

*sits back and watches Walper die*
Crap-tastic. I don't seem to remember it being THAT wanky (Godzilla? a single cell?), has it been too long since I watched the movie? Then again, as an intelligent creature, if you reduced him to a single cell, he's effectively dead (consciousness stopped, brain destroyed), and this is just a clone. So I'd call it a technical defeat.

Otherwise you just need somebody with a baggy to come over and drop the thing into a freezer, take it to the lab and incinerate it.
It does sound ridiculous, doesn't it...

What happens if you cut him in two? Do you get two godzillas?

How about if you blow him apart in a million peices? Do you get a million godzillas?
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brianeyci wrote:HAHAHAHAHAHAHA So Godzilla is like Majin-Buuor Cell (DBZ), regenerating his entire body from a single cell.

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Bellator wrote:It all depends on the incarnations...at least one or more Godzillas:

- can swim
- can fly by using his breath as a means of propulsion.
- do sleep
- eat meat
- live of radiation
- are empowered by electricity
- are immune to conventional weaponry (including late 20th century Japanese military equipement, like the Type-90 MBT)
- can survive in space, in heavely polluted areas, on the sea floor, on mountain peaks, etc.
- are 50 to 100ms tall
- weigh 20 to 60k tonnes
- use an internal nuclear reactor as a power source
- will meltdown if up to 1200 degrees Celsius internally
- can survive in molten lava
- can "talk"
- uses his "radioactive fire breath"
- uses his "nuclear pulse" (emits some sort of wave in all directions)
- can regenerate in battle
- can grow back to life from a single cell
Okay, then he's dead. See what I made bold.

An orbital turbolaser strike, maybe a BDZ, will easily heat him WAY over 1200 degrees. He'll be molten plasma, and not one cell will survive.
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brianeyci wrote:Someone who has watched a lot of Godzilla movies,
hey, I've watched a lot of Godzilla movies! all but the last four in fact, and I've read quite a bit on them... let's take a crack at this...
How fast can Godzilla regenerate
depending on what he's regenerating from, it's possible for him to regenerate so fast you don't even see the wound... regenerating from complete disintegration apparently takes thirty years, given the gap between the original movie and Godzilla 1985 (the movies in between either didn't happen, or featured a second Godzilla, depending on... some stuff I don't wanna explain right now)... then again, it's possible his coming back at the end of Godzilla x Megaguiras was a tiny part of him that escaped the "black hole" regenerating into a whole Godzilla, in which case it appears to take less time than it takes a human to heal a broken arm...
What is the highest yield of weapon that Godzilla has been hit by
again, he's had a micro-singularity dropped on him (the Dimension Tide), been hit with a ray gun that can cause absolute zero temperatures (the Absolute Zero Cannon), he's taken lovely multi-day long swims in the Earth's mantle and emerged COMPLETELY unscathed, and has also been hit with AMPLIFIED versions of his own breath weapon... apparently, taking all the oxygen out of seawater around him is somehow incredibly destructive though...
How often does Godzilla need to eat
this is completely unaddressed in the movies... there's some debate as to whether he eats at all, as he appears to be chasign a pod of whales at one point in Ghidrah the Three Headed Monster... but we've also seen him feeding on nuclear reactors...
Can Godzilla reproduce
there's WAAAAAY too much debate to settle it here... the short answer is, where do you think Godzilla Jr. and Minya came from?
Can Godzilla go subterranean
short answer: yes... see Godzilla vs. The Thing, Godzilla vs. The Sea Monster, Godzilla vs. Mothra (I'd count the aforementioned dip in the Earth's Mantle as subterranean, wouldn't you?), and others...
What is the range of his fire breath
I can't give you exact distances, but based on the latest movie he can AT LEAST hit objects in high orbit... seeing them in the first place is a little hard to do, considering it took a PLANET to incite him to hit something that far away, but that's not the question... and also, it's not "fire breath" it's a radioactive heat beam...
How powerful is his fire breath eg. how long does it take for him to set Tokyo on fire
I was never the kind of person to watch a movie with a stopwatch and measure every minute detail... sorry... but in general, in the latest movie, it was demonstrated to be powerful enough to blow up a planet, and depending on how you interpret the ending of Godzilla x Megaguiras he may have also once blown apart a singularity with it...
How long does it take his fire breath to set him on fire
um... could you rephrase the question?
How did they defeat Godzilla in Godzilla movies
the most sucessful strategies usually involve finding (or building, in the case of mecha) another daikaiju to pit him against... in the first movie they beat him with a device called the Oxygen Destroyer, which apparently somehow killed him by removing all the oxygen from the water in Tokyo Bay, but this seems to be psuedoscience if you ask me, plus he just regenerated from it eventually and went on to beat a monster that was essentially the Oxygen Destroyer personified, Destroyah... the most complete death he's ever suffered was when his internal atomic whatsit was overloaded with too much radioactivity in Godzilla vs. Destroyah and he melted down, but inducing such an event would be an unacceptable solution in this scenario as the impending planet killing explosion/China Syndrome squared will be too much collateral damage for the Federation to stomach, and would wipe out the ground forces of the Wars guys, as that appears to be what we're restricted to there, making for a pyrrhic victory at best...
Can Godzilla swim
he lives in the ocean... you figure it out...
Can Godzilla fly or grow wings
he can fly using his breath weapon... see Godzilla vs. The Smog Monster/Godzilla vs. Hedorah, depending on which title you prefer... they're both the same movie...
How fast does Godzilla walk
by a quick Googling, the best I can give you is 40 km/hr... but that's just for the 55 meter tall Godzilla from Godzilla 2000...
Does Godzilla linger around eg. like destroying shit for the fun of it
short answer: it depends on his mood...
How effective are conventional weapons against Godzilla
well... let's see... BEFORE he was mutated, he was (barely?) surviving salvos from the main guns of WW2 US Navy ships... now amplify that immeasurably...
let me rephrase: combine Superman's invulnerability with Wolverine's healing factor... you're CLOSE to Godzilla's resiliency now...
Has anyone tried using a biological weapon on Godzilla
Godzilla vs. Biollante, Anti-Nuclear Energy Bacteria... generally ineffective, may have actually made him stronger in the long run, hence the power jump (and size jump from 80 to 100 meters) in the next movie after that...
Has anyone tried using special armor piercing weapons on Godzilla
same movie, delivery system for the ANEB, apparently it's possible to drill into Godzilla's flesh to inject him with stuff...
also, those special missiles form G2K... no appreciable effect...
ultimately, the theory is that a relatively low velocity projectile (a bazooka round, as opposed to a big giant missile) can can penetrate better for some reason...
Does Godzilla have any brains at all, or could he be led into a trap
I'd say he is... in Godzilla vs. Megaguiras, he's pretty clever (catching the stinger in his teeth, sneak attacking Megaguiras with his tail when Megaguiras thought she had the drop on him, etc.), in G2K, he figured out the only way to kill Orga was from the inside, in Godzilla vs. Hedorah he figures out the military's trap for Hedorah and forces the big sludge ball into it, etc.
on the other hand, he is commonly led into traps... Godzilla vs Biollante, Godzilla vs The Thing, Godzilla vs. Space Godzilla, all have traps... ineffective traps, but traps...

hope this helps...
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Praxis wrote:
brianeyci wrote:HAHAHAHAHAHAHA So Godzilla is like Majin-Buuor Cell (DBZ), regenerating his entire body from a single cell.

Brian
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Bellator wrote:It all depends on the incarnations...at least one or more Godzillas:

- can swim
- can fly by using his breath as a means of propulsion.
- do sleep
- eat meat
- live of radiation
- are empowered by electricity
- are immune to conventional weaponry (including late 20th century Japanese military equipement, like the Type-90 MBT)
- can survive in space, in heavely polluted areas, on the sea floor, on mountain peaks, etc.
- are 50 to 100ms tall
- weigh 20 to 60k tonnes
- use an internal nuclear reactor as a power source
- will meltdown if up to 1200 degrees Celsius internally
- can survive in molten lava
- can "talk"
- uses his "radioactive fire breath"
- uses his "nuclear pulse" (emits some sort of wave in all directions)
- can regenerate in battle
- can grow back to life from a single cell
Okay, then he's dead. See what I made bold.

An orbital turbolaser strike, maybe a BDZ, will easily heat him WAY over 1200 degrees. He'll be molten plasma, and not one cell will survive.
problem: for some reason, he only melts down if he's heated up this much from INSIDE...

does it make sense? no...
does it bug the fans? yes...
but is it established fact, based on his magma dip in Godzilla vs. Mothra causing him NO HARM? yes
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Praxis wrote:
Kurgan wrote:
Alyrium Denryle wrote: Actually in Godzilla 2000 they exlain how he keeps regenerating. He actually regenerates at a cellular/molecular level. SO you could destroy him, and if so much as a single cell or even a part of a cell(as in,a tiny piece of one of his scales etc) he would regenerate.

*sits back and watches Walper die*
Crap-tastic. I don't seem to remember it being THAT wanky (Godzilla? a single cell?), has it been too long since I watched the movie? Then again, as an intelligent creature, if you reduced him to a single cell, he's effectively dead (consciousness stopped, brain destroyed), and this is just a clone. So I'd call it a technical defeat.

Otherwise you just need somebody with a baggy to come over and drop the thing into a freezer, take it to the lab and incinerate it.
It does sound ridiculous, doesn't it...

What happens if you cut him in two? Do you get two godzillas?

How about if you blow him apart in a million peices? Do you get a million godzillas?
Godzilla vs. Destroyah, Destroyah effectively cuts him in half with that nifty laser horn move... no effect... he heals so fast, it's like the wound was never there, other than some SLIGHT splatter in the area...
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Styphon wrote:
Praxis wrote:
brianeyci wrote:HAHAHAHAHAHAHA So Godzilla is like Majin-Buuor Cell (DBZ), regenerating his entire body from a single cell.

Brian
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Bellator wrote:It all depends on the incarnations...at least one or more Godzillas:

- can swim
- can fly by using his breath as a means of propulsion.
- do sleep
- eat meat
- live of radiation
- are empowered by electricity
- are immune to conventional weaponry (including late 20th century Japanese military equipement, like the Type-90 MBT)
- can survive in space, in heavely polluted areas, on the sea floor, on mountain peaks, etc.
- are 50 to 100ms tall
- weigh 20 to 60k tonnes
- use an internal nuclear reactor as a power source
- will meltdown if up to 1200 degrees Celsius internally
- can survive in molten lava
- can "talk"
- uses his "radioactive fire breath"
- uses his "nuclear pulse" (emits some sort of wave in all directions)
- can regenerate in battle
- can grow back to life from a single cell
Okay, then he's dead. See what I made bold.

An orbital turbolaser strike, maybe a BDZ, will easily heat him WAY over 1200 degrees. He'll be molten plasma, and not one cell will survive.
problem: for some reason, he only melts down if he's heated up this much from INSIDE...

does it make sense? no...
does it bug the fans? yes...
but is it established fact, based on his magma dip in Godzilla vs. Mothra causing him NO HARM? yes
What if you tickled him to get him to open his mouth, and THEN fire turbolaser shots down his throat? ;)
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