1 SSD vs all of the Federation and It's allies

[Darth Wong]

BTW, he doesn't seem to state which class of vessels he's talking about. The word "vessels" is pretty vague; is he including non-combat support craft?

Unlikely. He was talking about a modification to make them imune to an energy draining weapon. I doubt non-combat ships would need that.

Sure they would. We know from Chin'toka that they bring troop transports alone with their combat fleet, and since attacks on a logistical train are a common tactic in war, it makes sense even if they aren't at the fleet.

OTOH, giving them the modification would increse the chances of their survival a lot.

Yes, especially if we assume attacks on supply trains offscreen (yes, I know it's offscreen, but then again, so are these 12,000 ships we keep hearing about ).

[pecker]

1. Ummm yeah okay[/q]
Well, does the ECS just magically have starcharts and info on the UFP?

[q]2. Sure, just because they have never done, and we aren't even sure they are capable of it...they rely on the bloody SIF so much that such considerations are just grasping at straws.[/q]
I'm pretty sure the phase cloak blocks that sort of stuff. After all, the Romulans in Pegasus didn't notice the E-E until it decloaked, and it has several dozen 1G signatures.

[q]3. True, but given they belief of everyone with some equal knowledge crap, I'm sure there is mention of it.[/q]
Maybe.

[q]4. LMAO...now that is truly grasping at straws given that the Romulans never let Starfleet produce a fucking cloaking device let alone anything of any variation.[/q]
The UFP needed the Romulan ships. they also DENIED the Dominion romulan ships. If that meant no cloaks, which the Dominion could get around eventually, then so be it. But when an ECS is knocking fleets out left and right, there's a good chance the UFP might just say to hell with the treaty. After all, the treaty keeps the peace between the Romulans and Humans. If there aren't any Romulans left, who's gonna care?

[q]5. Nope all gone, and so what if I let out captian who commanded a Nuclear Sub, does that mean I can now create nuclear warhead?

I thought the Captain was a designer or something? Anyway, I doubt the information just vanished into thin air. Unless they mindwiped the research staff or something, it's there.

[Grand Admiral Thrawn]

BTW, he doesn't seem to state which class of vessels he's talking about. The word "vessels" is pretty vague; is he including non-combat support craft?

Unlikely. He was talking about a modification to make them imune to an energy draining weapon. I doubt non-combat ships would need that.

Sure they would. We know from Chin'toka that they bring troop transports alone with their combat fleet, and since attacks on a logistical train are a common tactic in war, it makes sense even if they aren't at the fleet.

OTOH, giving them the modification would increse the chances of their survival a lot.

Yes, especially if we assume attacks on supply trains offscreen (yes, I know it's offscreen, but then again, so are these 12,000 ships we keep hearing about ).

Okay, you've convinced me. I don't know what happened at Chin'toka, but in one episode where Duhkat and Sisko are trapped on a planet, the Defiant has to defend a convoy by herself. I don't think 1 Destroyer guarded a convoy in WWII.

[Ignorant_Boy]

What the hell is this guy thinking? From the SSD vs. AQ at SB.com:

From SB.com: posted by E1701
http://kier.3dfrontier.com/forums/showt ... genumber=3

SSD would be raped anally, the hard way. Sure Starfleet only has twelve heavy cruisers, but they each pack more firepower than an ISD by a long shot, always fight at warp (even when the target is STL), and in general have vastly superior commanding officers.

However, it is unlikely it will ever come to that. Assuming you are *really* generous to the SSD (and that's generally how it is when Warsies start the thread), it knows the locations of everything in Federation space, but Starfleet doesn't even know it's out there.

So, it makes a strike on the nearest major colony or member world, either transmits a surrender demand, or opens fire. In either case, the end result is that the SSD opens fire, and is promptly atomized by the planetary defenses.

What is this? A trekkie's wet dream?

[Spanky The Dolphin]

It's E1701. 'Nuff said.

[Cpt_Frank]

Actually I'd say it's time for him to get anally raped by Dave's rabid monkeys.

[Mr Bean]

In either case, the end result is that the SSD opens fire, and is promptly atomized by the planetary defenses.

Yeesh the idiots they think of these day, not bothering to quote any sources, never backs up what he says, and to say *Wet dream is pretty damn accuarte

Ok fokes LOOK Proton Torps HIGH END max possible assuming 99.999% Effancy is ONLY 64 Megatons and Quantom Torps not much greater



Take SW LOW END and place it aginst ST HIGH END and you see that SW victory is STILL assured, this idiot almost reminds me of Akira except Akira seems to be slight smarter

In the tradtion of Wong first ask him WTF he has to back up to even being with that there are Plantary defenses. Second ask him to give you power figures for that, Third give him you SW Shielding minium figure of 15.8 Teratons then ask how many hundreds of torps do you need?

[Alyeska]

In either case, the end result is that the SSD opens fire, and is promptly atomized by the planetary defenses.

Yeesh the idiots they think of these day, not bothering to quote any sources, never backs up what he says, and to say *Wet dream is pretty damn accuarte

Ok fokes LOOK Proton Torps HIGH END max possible assuming 99.999% Effancy is ONLY 64 Megatons and Quantom Torps not much greater



Take SW LOW END and place it aginst ST HIGH END and you see that SW victory is STILL assured, this idiot almost reminds me of Akira except Akira seems to be slight smarter

In the tradtion of Wong first ask him WTF he has to back up to even being with that there are Plantary defenses. Second ask him to give you power figures for that, Third give him you SW Shielding minium figure of 15.8 Teratons then ask how many hundreds of torps do you need?

FYI E1701 is talking about TOS. DS9 and beyond has more then just 12 GCSs, and E said SF only had 12 Heavy Cruisers (aka Constitution class).

[Mr Bean]

still ignores the base question of providing Evidance OF plantary defenses and the basic reason why E is so happy to use the Highest end Figures for ST he can wank out while screaming and fighting if anyone uses anything but minium figures for SW

[Alyeska]

still ignores the base question of providing Evidance OF plantary defenses and the basic reason why E is so happy to use the Highest end Figures for ST he can wank out while screaming and fighting if anyone uses anything but minium figures for SW

Actually he could care less if SW used the highest calcs they could. The highest ST calc (comes from TOS) puts a Consitution class at having more hull strength then the DS can output.

[Cpt_Frank]

Actually he could care less if SW used the highest calcs they could. The highest ST calc (comes from TOS) puts a Consitution class at having more hull strength then the DS can output.

The correct work is not calc, but masturbation fantasy, btw.

[Alyeska]

Actually he could care less if SW used the highest calcs they could. The highest ST calc (comes from TOS) puts a Consitution class at having more hull strength then the DS can output.

The correct work is not calc, but masturbation fantasy, btw.

No, its a real calc. There was a particular TOS episode in which Scotty stated the energy impacting the hull of the Enterprise. When converted, it was 10 times the power of the DS SL.

[Cpt_Frank]

Uh yeah the reliable quotes.....

[Mr Bean]

Hmm odd, what Epsoded was that Alyeska?

[Alyeska]

Uh yeah the reliable quotes.....

Well, when someone says "X amount of power is impacting the hull captain!", I rather think that to be reliable.

[Alyeska]

Hmm odd, what Epsoded was that Alyeska?

I haven't a clue. I remember once, but don't know anymore. Its E's claim, ask him (but do so at SB because he didn't come here making his claims)

[Mr Bean]

(but do so at SB because he didn't come here making his claims)

My username was taken lasted I checked at SB so I don't go there much

[Alyeska]

(but do so at SB because he didn't come here making his claims)

My username was taken lasted I checked at SB so I don't go there much

There is no Mr.Bean at sb.

Only Bean, BeanFruit, and MeanBean19.

[Mr Bean]

*Shrug, maybe I'll register then but I think I've been spoiled now by havind Mod powers here

[Sea Skimmer]

Uh yeah the reliable quotes.....

Well, when someone says "X amount of power is impacting the hull captain!", I rather think that to be reliable.

I believe the weapon in question was a "Sonic disruptor":roll: that worked in space, and Scotty said the number of decibels it was putting out. I'd find any calculation of power derived from that to be suspect.

[Mr Bean]

I believe the weapon in question was a "Sonic disruptor" that worked in space

THAT is classic

[Spanky The Dolphin]

Uh yeah the reliable quotes.....

Well, when someone says "X amount of power is impacting the hull captain!", I rather think that to be reliable.

I believe the weapon in question was a "Sonic disruptor":roll: that worked in space, and Scotty said the number of decibels it was putting out. I'd find any calculation of power derived from that to be suspect.

I remember that The Science/Physics of Star Trek (whatever it was) said that the major problem with the sonic weapon wasn't the fact that it's a sonic weapon effecting a ship in space, but that the decible rating of it was so high (hint: decibles are measured on an exponential scale) that it would have done serious effects to the planet, and kill anyone within range instantly.

[Darth Wong]

I love that sonic weapon thing. I've been waiting for some idiot to try coming after me directly with that shit, so I can rip him to shreds on my Hate Mail page. But so far, no one's going for it.

[Asst. Asst. Lt. Cmdr. Smi]

I would say that the SSD would destroy large parts of the Fed Fleet, but it will either be overpowered, or run out of power. However, if it seizes shipyards, takes over planets, and gets more ships to join it, then it might take over the galaxy. It's about strategy.

[Gunstar]

The effective weapons ranges of SW capship weapons are IIRC several thousand km, roughly equal to those of ST weapons.
*waits for trekkies to come up with 300,000 km again*

According to the TNG Technical manual, the effective range of phasers is exactly that, 300,000km.

Is there a tech manual for the SW universe? I'm curious to see what it says about weapon strength, shield strength, and ship capabilities in the SW universe. Any recommendations?