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[Evil Jerk]

"Dear Doctor"? What is there to like about that episode?

[Newtonian Fury]

I'm hoping the show will have some real action soon. Some real exploration will be nice for a change. Too much intense character interaction sucks.

[neoolong]

Funny how the best two episodes have involved Dr. Phlox. I loved "Dear Doctor" and found it a great episode. And "A Night in Sickbay" is a favorite with how much of Porthos is in it. I loved getting the scoop on how Porthos got his name.

That's probably because John Billingsley is one of the only actors on that show that can actually act.

Even despite the fact that Dr. Phlox helps commit genocide in "Dear Doctor," he is still a really likeable character.

[Evil Jerk]

Even despite the fact that Dr. Phlox helps commit genocide in "Dear Doctor," he is still a really likeable character.

I can almost forgive Phlox (almost), he's from another planet and may have vastly different values (Creationist pseudoscientific values that they are..), he seemed to me in that episode to be the Lumati of Enterprise and still somewhat likable.

The one I think is a complete psycho and truly worthy of being despised is Archer for flip flopping and agreeing with him. Stupid bastard.

[Guest]

"I can almost forgive Phlox (almost), he's from another planet and may have vastly different values (Creationist pseudoscientific values that they are..), he seemed to me in that episode to be the Lumati of Enterprise and still somewhat likable."

How does refusing to provide the cure for a disease in any way reflect a creationist pseudoscientific value? [/quote]

[Lagmonster]

I'm hoping the show will have some real action soon. Some real exploration will be nice for a change. Too much intense character interaction sucks.

Nah. I think a good show has likeable, interesting characters. There are a lot of characters on a Star Trek show and the scenarios they get into - and how they get out of them - should show off who they all are as people. In TNG and Voyager it had nothing to do with the characters - trained lemurs could have solved the problems just as long as they knew how to create technobabble devices. It was about the technology, not the people.

I think Enterprise should be about the characters. They're not SUPPOSED to have technology (I think they developed phasers and transporters too fast, they should have left that tech out). I believe the show would be better if the writers abandoned explaining solutions away with magical technology and focused on scenarios that required the characters to actually think of practical, intelligent solutions.

[Evil Jerk]

"I can almost forgive Phlox (almost), he's from another planet and may have vastly different values (Creationist pseudoscientific values that they are..), he seemed to me in that episode to be the Lumati of Enterprise and still somewhat likable."

How does refusing to provide the cure for a disease in any way reflect a creationist pseudoscientific value?

He refuses to cure them because he thinks the Valakians are "desitined" to die, that their genetic defect is there because it's meant to be, because the Menk's manifest destiny is to superceed them.
It's both a total misunderstanding of how evolution works and smells of Creationism.

[Lagmonster]

He refuses to cure them because he thinks the Valakians are "desitined" to die, that their genetic defect is there because it's meant to be, because the Menk's manifest destiny is to superceed them.
It's both a total misunderstanding of how evolution works and smells of Creationism.

Agreed. But at least they're making a reasonable attempt at an interesting and developed character with him. Star Trek characters (if they can be called that) tend to be cookie-cutouts of one another. I think a little conflicting, social and cultural opinions and a little less total peace, teamwork and harmony would be interesting.

[Evil Jerk]

He refuses to cure them because he thinks the Valakians are "desitined" to die, that their genetic defect is there because it's meant to be, because the Menk's manifest destiny is to superceed them.
It's both a total misunderstanding of how evolution works and smells of Creationism.

Agreed. But at least they're making a reasonable attempt at an interesting and developed character with him. Star Trek characters (if they can be called that) tend to be cookie-cutouts of one another. I think a little conflicting, social and cultural opinions and a little less total peace, teamwork and harmony would be interesting.

That's one of the reasons I'm so pissed at it, the potential for conflict with Archer was enormous, they could've ended it a million different ways than they did, and each one would've been bettr.

[Evil Jerk]

And also let's not forget the Reset Button, where all of that developmet was flushed down the toilet by the next episode anyway.

[Lagmonster]

That's one of the reasons I'm so pissed at it, the potential for conflict with Archer was enormous, they could've ended it a million different ways than they did, and each one would've been bettr.

I can see that. I think they were trying to show that he's an arrogant, hothead cowboy, but one who is REALLY trying hard to be a diplomat despite the fact that the universe seems to be populated entirely by assholes.

I'd be happy if Archer just said, "Hell with it, I'm the only human authority for a thousand miles, screw the opinions of starfleet. And fuck the Vulcans, too. Hey, that's not a bad idea..."

In short, I don't mind if he becomes an asshole with a 'shoot first, screw the questions and TELL the limey bastards to join the Federation' policy of exploration just as long as he has an actual CHARACTER.

[Evil Jerk]

That's one of the reasons I'm so pissed at it, the potential for conflict with Archer was enormous, they could've ended it a million different ways than they did, and each one would've been bettr.

I can see that. I think they were trying to show that he's an arrogant, hothead cowboy, but one who is REALLY trying hard to be a diplomat despite the fact that the universe seems to be populated entirely by assholes.

I'd be happy if Archer just said, "Hell with it, I'm the only human authority for a thousand miles, screw the opinions of starfleet. And fuck the Vulcans, too. Hey, that's not a bad idea..."

In short, I don't mind if he becomes an asshole with a 'shoot first, screw the questions and TELL the limey bastards to join the Federation' policy of exploration just as long as he has an actual CHARACTER.

At least that would've been a better reason for the formation of the Prime Directive instead of "Hey, I'm going to follow to the letter a law that I don't know about and hasn't been invented yet."

[Lagmonster]

Oh, and for the record, Yes, I think Archer should have done the deed with T'Pol. And so should everyone else. I fully support a Porno episode of Enterprise.

(Note: The previous opinion is sponsored by The Coalition of Lagmonster's Glands and not endorsed in any way by Lagmonster's actual brain. His wife just got out of surgery and he hasn't had any in two weeks.)

[Evil Jerk]

What? You mean he hasn't already?

[Setzer]

If it's got a threesome with 7 of 9, Ezari and Jadzia Dax, I'll buy it.

I'd rather have Ezri, Jadzi, and Hoshi.

I can't say I've ever watched Enterforaprise so I couldn't comment on Hoshi.

Maybe a foursome is in order.

Impossible. In thousands of years of civilization, there has only been 1 four-way orgy. I believe it was in Sweden circa 1975 AD

[Stormbringer]

Impossible. In thousands of years of civilization, there has only been 1 four-way orgy. I believe it was in Sweden circa 1975 AD

Bah, why think small when you can have a bigger, better orgy?

[Guest]

"I can almost forgive Phlox (almost), he's from another planet and may have vastly different values (Creationist pseudoscientific values that they are..), he seemed to me in that episode to be the Lumati of Enterprise and still somewhat likable."

How does refusing to provide the cure for a disease in any way reflect a creationist pseudoscientific value?

He refuses to cure them because he thinks the Valakians are "desitined" to die, that their genetic defect is there because it's meant to be, because the Menk's manifest destiny is to superceed them.
It's both a total misunderstanding of how evolution works and smells of Creationism.

Well, I believe that Dr. Phlox should have been kicked out of the medical service for his decision. I agree that his logic was completely flawed, however, I don't think it was related to creationism. Archer should have disagreed and provided the cure to the Valakians. They could have used the cure for leverage and received a lot of benefits from the exchange.

I can't believe I actually almost completely agree with Evil Jerk on something.

[Evil Jerk]

"I can almost forgive Phlox (almost), he's from another planet and may have vastly different values (Creationist pseudoscientific values that they are..), he seemed to me in that episode to be the Lumati of Enterprise and still somewhat likable."

How does refusing to provide the cure for a disease in any way reflect a creationist pseudoscientific value?

He refuses to cure them because he thinks the Valakians are "desitined" to die, that their genetic defect is there because it's meant to be, because the Menk's manifest destiny is to superceed them.
It's both a total misunderstanding of how evolution works and smells of Creationism.

Well, I believe that Dr. Phlox should have been kicked out of the medical service for his decision. I agree that his logic was completely flawed, however, I don't think it was related to creationism.

I believe it is, in that Phlox's views reminded me greatly of "Intelligent Design".

Archer should have disagreed and provided the cure to the Valakians.
They could have used the cure for leverage and received a lot of benefits from the exchange.

That would require intelligence on the part of Archer, which sadly has not shown itself in 1 and a half seasons of ENT.
Hell, he could've just given them basic warp technology, or had the Vulcans help them if he really couldn't give them the damn cure but instead he does nothing.

I can't believe I actually almost completely agree with Evil Jerk on something.

Am I that disagreeable?

[CmdrWilkens]

Yes, she can. Both of them, in fact. It's two dogs, Breezy and Windy. I have a beagle and these two are even smaller than mine. My guess is they are about a year to a year and a half old. Sweet creatures. :)

Late on the thing but awesome, more Beagle people. I have a seven year old named Molly.


Yes yes this should be on the dog thread over at OT but Porthos is a Beagle so they will always be On Topic.

[Patrick Degan]

Oh, and for the record, Yes, I think Archer should have done the deed with T'Pol. And so should everyone else. I fully support a Porno episode of Enterprise.

Forget it. Walking freezer unit...

[RadiO]

I stoped giving a damn when:

* They got decent weapons.

* They started to respect each other.

* Nobody died, even though Enterprise has been thrown in at the deep end and the crew are pioneers, doing incredibly dangerous things (apparently )

* It became clear that they're actually supposed to be a military branch, instead of a civilian space research agency (and, of course, B&B failed to make Starfleet anything like a convincing military - again! Whoopie fuckin' Doo.)

So that was round about Episode 8, I think. Aw, shucks.

[The Yosemite Bear]

Heh,

Now if the next series is only animals and one of the Chimps that writes the scripts is the captain we should consider this an upgrade in acting talent?

[Stormbringer]

Heh,

Now if the next series is only animals and one of the Chimps that writes the scripts is the captain we should consider this an upgrade in acting talent?

Not necessarily.

A hell of a lot off the problems with Trek is just the consistantly shitty writing. It's hard to get decent acting with a terrible script.

[Raoul Duke, Jr.]

Heh,

Now if the next series is only animals and one of the Chimps that writes the scripts is the captain we should consider this an upgrade in acting talent?

Not necessarily.

A hell of a lot off the problems with Trek is just the consistantly shitty writing. It's hard to get decent acting with a terrible script.

Okay, okay already! I'll write the next god damn Trek! (After all, even I could write better stories than those two monkey-stains...)

[Stormbringer]

Frankly I think the next Trek series ought to be ten years down the road from the end of Enterforaprize. There is simply too much bullshit forced on the fans to start out even a new trek series for a while.

Give it a little bit of time for the bad taste to leave the fans and give people a rest.