An Idiot on Startrek.com

Post by **Vympel** » 2005-02-14 08:31pm

The guy's full of shit. Anyone can just pick out the random name of a division and say he went with them. As if the military would take such a blatant twit.

Hardy · Post by **Hardy** » 2005-02-14 09:10pm

Darth Servo wrote:DMJay's claims of military experience:
I was a 12 Bravo, Combat Engineer, I placed and removed mine fields, I dealt in Demolishions, and Infantry Tactics. During the War my unit was attached to the 1st Armored Division out of Germany. We went from Daharan, Saudi Arabia and rolled through the Iraqi's all the way into Baghdad. So until you nut up and put on some combat boots and defend this country why don't you shut the #### up you little whinny b*tch.
Anyone with REAL military experience know if this is verifiable?

I can't say that I have "real" military experience beyond ROTC, but I ran a people search on Jay Leacock based on his former SW.com profile and got a James R. Leacock. I then checked what military.com had.

Could be one of these people(members only):

http://www.military.com/Locator/DodDeta ... 73,00.html

Name : JAMES RANDALL LEACOCK
Service : ARMY
Service Component : REGULAR
Pay Grade : E-4
Military Specialty : 12B1O00
Home of Record : Unknown

http://www.military.com/Locator/DodDeta ... 71,00.html

Name : JAMES RANDALL II LEACOCK
Service : ARMY
Service Component :
Pay Grade :
Military Specialty : 12B1O00
Home of Record : Unknown

A 12B is a Combat Engineer, like he said.

On a side note, I found five different Stewart Davies.[/quote]

Darth Servo · Post by **Darth Servo** » 2005-02-14 11:33pm

Glimmervoid wrote:Ps we all a bit sad for debating this on Valentines Day.

No. I already got back from my date.

Meest · Post by **Meest** » 2005-02-14 11:48pm

The last thing I would want is the person clearing the mines in front of me being the guy who can't spell "demolitions". Is Jay even short for James? Always thought Jim was used.

Darth Servo · Post by **Darth Servo** » 2005-02-15 01:00am

Hardy wrote:I can't say that I have "real" military experience beyond ROTC, but I ran a people search on Jay Leacock based on his former SW.com profile and got a James R. Leacock. I then checked what military.com had.

So it probably is his dad.

Petrosjko · Post by **Petrosjko** » 2005-02-15 01:51am

Uh, he's claiming to be a veteran of Desert Storm who rolled all the way to Baghdad?

He's got his wars confused, for one thing. We stopped well short of Baghdad in Desert Storm. Secondly, I don't think there is a 1st Armored Division, though I could be wrong. There's a 1st Cavalry Division, that's Coyote's outfit, IIRC.

Rogue 9 · Post by **Rogue 9** » 2005-02-15 02:10am

Petrosjko wrote:Uh, he's claiming to be a veteran of Desert Storm who rolled all the way to Baghdad?

He's got his wars confused, for one thing. We stopped well short of Baghdad in Desert Storm. Secondly, I don't think there is a 1st Armored Division, though I could be wrong. There's a 1st Cavalry Division, that's Coyote's outfit, IIRC.

Yeah, there's a 1st Armored, Old Ironsides. http://www.1ad.army.mil/default.asp

Petrosjko · Post by **Petrosjko** » 2005-02-15 02:18am

Rogue 9 wrote:
Petrosjko wrote:Uh, he's claiming to be a veteran of Desert Storm who rolled all the way to Baghdad?

He's got his wars confused, for one thing. We stopped well short of Baghdad in Desert Storm. Secondly, I don't think there is a 1st Armored Division, though I could be wrong. There's a 1st Cavalry Division, that's Coyote's outfit, IIRC.
Yeah, there's a 1st Armored, Old Ironsides. http://www.1ad.army.mil/default.asp

My bad. I'm not an expert on the modern military, alas.

The question about Desert Storm and Baghdad still stands, though.

Darth Lucifer · Post by **Darth Lucifer** » 2005-02-15 03:52am

I'm having some fun ruffling his feathers myself. He also took my bait and accused me of calling him something I never called him. He's now known to me forever as "Dr. Evil the self-proclaimed Trek-Nazi."

DMJay the Fuck Stick also accused me of contributing nothing when I was clearly in a discussion with Wishfire about phase cloaks. To quote Bugs Bunny, "What a maroon."

Hardy · Post by **Hardy** » 2005-02-15 05:29pm

Meest wrote:The last thing I would want is the person clearing the mines in front of me being the guy who can't spell "demolitions".

My thoughts exactly. If he were for real, that would be a major deterrent to joining the Army.

Is Jay even short for James? Always thought Jim was used.

I entered "Jay Leacock" and it's the best Intelius could find. It also matched his SW.com profile age and location.

Petrosjko wrote:Uh, he's claiming to be a veteran of Desert Storm who rolled all the way to Baghdad?

Right. It always did sound odd to me since I first heard it from him.

To play Devil's Advocate, one could argue that he reached the outskirts of Bahgdad and exaggerated to brag. It's more likely that he actually is bullshitting and he is talking about his father as Servo has suggested.

Darth Lucifer · Post by **Darth Lucifer** » 2005-02-15 08:02pm

One can clearly see from his collected ravings that he is a little boy stroking it to the latest pictures of Carrie Fisher in her Gold Bikini (see his profile), nothing more. Funny how this little treknerd loves Leia so much.

Darth Servo · Post by **Darth Servo** » 2005-02-15 09:21pm

Mario1470 wrote:Funny how this little treknerd loves Leia so much.

AND loves to accuse me of "jacking it to 5 year old boys". He's done it at least five times. I swear, I'd say that thought invades his wet dreams at night.

Darth Lucifer · Post by **Darth Lucifer** » 2005-02-15 11:14pm

I'm sorry for making cheap shots...at least you have a basis for putting your boot up this kid's ass, Servo. I just wanted to say how I felt, both here and at ST.com. It just really pissed me off he attacked you like that.

Glimmervoid · Post by **Glimmervoid** » 2005-02-16 06:45pm

DMJay just appeared with a new account called DMJII did that mean he was finally banned. If so some one should report his new account.

Darth Servo · Post by **Darth Servo** » 2005-02-16 08:15pm

Glimmervoid wrote:DMJay just appeared with a new account called DMJII did that mean he was finally banned. If so some one should report his new account.

I reported all his slander yesterday to the main admins (his accusations of pedophilia, that my parents need to be shot, the he wishes someone would beat me up, etc). I'll go check my accound and see if I have any PMs from the admin.

Darth Servo · Post by **Darth Servo** » 2005-02-16 10:20pm

You know, I could really use lost of nice picture of the seismic charge in action.

The Original Nex · Post by **The Original Nex** » 2005-02-17 03:44pm

Fire 1

Fire 2

Fire 3

Sothis · Post by **Sothis** » 2005-02-17 06:01pm

I've gone and challenged DMJ to a one-on-one. What am I thinking???

Darth Servo · Post by **Darth Servo** » 2005-02-17 07:50pm

Sothis wrote:I've gone and challenged DMJ to a one-on-one. What am I thinking???

I'm thinking you're a glutton for punishment. I already KNOW how it will go.

DMJay: Trek ships are immune to lasers and SW uses lasers.

You: SW lasers clearly are not like Trek lasers. Here is the objective scientific calculations that SW weapons and shields and ships are more powerful.

DMJay: Its all fake! You can't determine how powerful a fictional weapon is. You have no idea how any of it works. You can only stick with the dialogue.

You: The EU and the ICS backs those calculations up with official numbers.

DMJay: those aren't canon. Statements from Lucasliscencing, lucasfilm aren't enough. Statements from company representatives aren't enough it MUST come straight out of Lucas' mouth himself. He is the GOD of SW.

Really. He's more predictable than a certain Rabit Stupid Asshole.

Darth Lucifer · Post by **Darth Lucifer** » 2005-02-17 11:10pm

Don't you dare slander Jay!

He already proved all you dumbass Warsies wrong!

I'm his sissybitch and if you desecrate the Holy Name of DMJay, he will run you over with his tank!

**:banghead: **

Just kidding. But that was kind of the tune of my last post to him at StarTrek.com. Now I'm just fuckin' with him.

Darth Lucifer · Post by **Darth Lucifer** » 2005-02-17 11:28pm

Sothis wrote:I've gone and challenged DMJ to a one-on-one. What am I thinking???

Don't bother dining at that restaurant. Everything tastes like chicken...shit.

But if you must, good hunting. He'll just be what he is. A trolling little fucktard.

Hell, I may end up getting banned from Star Trek.com if I try to step to toe toe with the little fuck stain again...like I would really give a shit; the whole site sucks on balls to begin with.

Darth Servo · Post by **Darth Servo** » 2005-02-18 01:39am

TJHairball wrote:
DarthServo wrote:
TJHairball wrote:So are you now claiming that (a) there was no vapor remaining of the comet and/or (b) phasers are a total annihilation effect of some sort?
From what we can see, they make water (the primary component of the human body) disappear into thin air. How exactly they do this is up for debate but it is clearly NOT direct heating. A person can stand right nest to someone being "vaporized" by a phaser and not feel a thing. We've seen that happen DOZENS of times in Trek. That fact rules out literal vaporication, matter/antimatter annihilation, disruption into neutrons, etc. About the only thing to known sicence that fits is turning the mass into neutrinos.
Originally, that was more a SFX budget issue... but, if you care to take everything literally, ... making stuff go poof completely is a very tricky thing to do, no? And clearly it works on things other than water. And... what's the energy yield requirement, hm?
Which is the better weaopon? The one that malfunctions under all sorts of mundane phenomena or the one that is always ready for action?
Phasers aren't known for malfunctioning. They are known for being able to slice straight through shields when tuned correctly, however. Which brings me to the next point: If a phaser can penetrate shielding - or bring shields down just as well as 100+ MT photorps - and does additional damage all out of proportion to its energy yield to what it hits... how, pray tell, does this particularly make phasers not highly useful?
And when has Trek ever demonstrated such firepower from phasers?
Of all the visual instances of phaser and turbolaser use - or clear top-canon dialogue references - phasers have had the greater visible destructive effect. You don't see TLs/blasters taking out multi-mile comets on 10% power, blasting holes through rock, heating unknown materials to thousands of degrees, turning people into thin air... or drilling deep holes in earth... etc etc. You see them... blowing up small asteroids. Shooting down fighters. Doing very little damage to snow. Shooting small holes in walls. Putting scorch marks on walls. Shooting ships up. Etc.
The cloak wasn't running when Riker made the suggestion of blowing up the asteroid. The Pegasus had no power at all.
Darth, Darth, Darth... you've been talking about the Pegasus for a long time, and you still keep getting things wrong. At the time that Riker made his estimate, they'd just figured out which asteroid it was in... by detecting the signature of the Peg's warp core. Quite ready, quite active, as far as he knows... although no telling how much juice is left in it or what the exact status of the shields, nav deflectors, SIF, or hull are.
Which idea was rejected because the rocks would be too dangerous to the ship.
...but still demonstrates that making an Enterprise-sized hole in an asteroid is well within their ability. Try to stick to a coherent argument - I can set forth a reason for the shields to not be fully operational inside the asteroid. You can't argue that phasers can do squat against, say, rock while referencing the short order removal of many million cubic meters of it in a hurry.
I still take Young's and Saxtons (i.e. professionals) work over this annonoumous source of yours anyday.
Unfortunate. In TESB... we see a major shift in the way the Falcon is portrayed. In ANH, the Falcon is clearly a freighter - a small one, but much more massive and less maneuverable than TIE fighters. In TESB's asteroid chase scene, we see a maneuverable Falcon that's small enough to dodge through gaps that would be too narrow for a TIE, provided it's put on edge. A 40m wide Falcon would be ... oh, about 10 meters tall, IIRC... and this is supposed to be shorter in height than a TIE is wide (~6m).

Clearly a 40m Falcon is too wide for this scene. And I wouldn't call myself anonymous, either. It helps to think about, y'know, how big something has to be for things to work out.
Not in a fraction of a second.
It won't take very long for an object heated a dull orange/red on the surface - such as the putative fragments appear to be - to lose that skin temperature in a great hurry.
Seen it several times. It doesn't look ANYTHING like a megaton level explosion would. And given Treks precednet for chain reaction weapons, there is ZERO reason to that these rings that did NOTHING to the surface of the planet were of the energy level Trekkies propose.
It's true that it doesn't look anything like a megaton explosion would. I added a putative 5 megaton explosion to TDIC, using the highest possible brightness level, just for you... realistically, it would probably look quite a bit dimmer from that distance, particularly as I scaled the substantially larger "mushroom" cloud (not really traditionally mushroom shaped at that yield anymore) rather than a naked fireball. Sorry, but a 1 MT device was just too small to be convenient.
So? A REAL shockwave moving that fast will be WHITE HOT, not dullish brown.
You wouldn't see it sitting there on the dark side of the planet if it weren't glowing white hot, actually.
The praxis explosion coveren LIGHT YEARS in short order but its overall energy level was still LOW. I merely depleted Quonos ozone layer.
Most of the energy was allegedly released in a subspace pulse... and seems to have involved the disintegration of most of the moon. The damage to QonoS's atmosphere supposedly left the planet with 50 years of habitability remaining... which takes a fair amount of energy. In order to create that large area of effect required a crapload of energy... only a tiny fraction of which actually ended up hitting QonoS.
Unless its just one of those "large area of effect, little energy" weapons Trek is famous for.
That you claim Trek is famous for. Torpedos that cause chain reactions do a great deal more, from the two examples we've seen. These are, IIRC, plasma torpedos. Brute force bombardment. Next?
No. They are DIRECT OBSERVATIONS of canon.
No. They are simply excuses to try and ignore the canon based on a failure to comprehend what could possibly be going on. "WTF," you say, "I can't make any sense of this thing! It doesn't look like I think it should! Throw it out!"
WHY should dialogue over ride FX? The people who made the episode made it that way delibrately. If the new Battlestar Galactica can accurately show what megaton level explosions should look like, why can't Trek?
Given your inability to realize how visible a megaton explosion would be from orbit, I'm not going to take your word on this. Now: Why should dialogue or VFX fail to be canon evidence? You just want to throw out whatever you can't fit in your model.
Sorry, but you're trying to argue for GIGATON level explosions here. Real life asteroid impacts have been in that range and left ENORMOUS effects in their wake that were easily visible from space (like the Gulf of Mexico).
These effects are easily visible from space... and impacts are purely and directly kinetic. This isn't a kinetic bombardment. The Founder's world is poorly distinguishable, has a holographic projection sitting on top of it, and is rather on the cold and dead side.. What you see... is about the most you would see. I could try painting out one of those rings using a thousand individual megaton bombs with what would look roughly the same from orbit... it probably wouldn't look as impressive, just a stationary ring that's visible from space for perhaps a couple of seconds.
Of course not, just like I have no explanation for how a moon exploding can toss the Excelsior around like a leaf in the wind while only doing token damage to near by Quonos either.
Stripping off a fair amount of atmosphere isn't exactly "token." It's claimed to be a subspace effect... which would affect starships and other sorts of things with warp cores, subspace comms, etc much more than an inert planet.
Just as I'd like to hear the Trekkie explanation for how an alleged megaton-gigaton level explosion doesn't even leave a crater.
Planar plasma torpedo airburst (intended to burn alive/melt/toast anything on the surface), holographic deception. Next?

Incidentally... megaton level nuclear events don't even have to leave craters.
Trek is FAMOUS for chain reaction weapons--weapons that effect a far larger area than their energy yield would on its own.
Phasers and possibly disruptors. Not conventional torpedos.
how does that refute the fact that we didn't even see a CRATER?
The fact that you can't see a crater indicates nothing. Next?
No. It a FACT that the SFX is just as much canon as the dialogue and it does NOT support even megaton range bombardment, let alone gigaton.
The SFX require far more than megaton range energy yields.
I've seen the scaling. The seismic charge shatters asteroids in a multi-km radius.
Shattering asteroids in a km-plane isn't the same as destroying completely a 5 km asteroid via brute high-intensity photon attack... or insuring the complete destruction of a man-portable device inside a running starship hidden somewhere inside that same asteroid. (For that matter... for all Riker knows, the phase cloak is actually running.)
So where is your evidence that it has over come that weakness?
For one thing, the most recent model developed (used on the Scimitar) is considered "perfect" by a vessel quite capable of detecting gravitons. Can I be sure? No. Do I know that direct mass detection of a moving object is a pain in the tail? Yes. SW cloaks at least don't involve ships that move around much.
In the SW galaxy? It would NEED to be a VERY patient captain since it would take him years to get anywhere.
Not anywhere of particular importance... if, that is, he's in a hurry to start with.
No, in the mean time, eeryone would remain on alert.
Everybody being on edge all the time won't help them much either.
Just behind the bridge tower. Not the entire aft quarter.
An ISD's main guns cover at most a bit over a quarter of the sphere of engagement - that's if they have full elevation, which would be unusual in turrets of that design. The trench notch guns cover a bit more. Small guns are placed more broadly, but don't seem particularly evident rearwards.
WTF are you talking about? We saw SEVERAL guns firing at Leia's ship from beneath the ISD in ANH.
"Several." Most aren't beneath... as noted in the ROTJ battle.
you have NEVER even ONCE provided even the slightest shred of evidence against the CANON ICS figures.
If you believe this, you haven't actually been reading this thread.
Micro jumps are in the EU, which you have NEVER been able to show doesn't count.
Micro jumps are seen as extremely rare and risky in the EU, requiring careful and precise work. Short warp jumps are seen in episodes and may be done freely and casually.
Proton torps don't do jack to ISD shields. Rebel pilots on Hoth laugh at the idea of two fighter taking on an ISD. In the canon RoTJ novelization, Admiral Ackbar announces that the cap ships need to take down the shields before the fighters can do any damage. This over rules any EU claims of fighters taking on ISDs alone.
Actually... it does not directly contradict the scenario in the slightest. The books (although not particularly the games, which show even lower figures at times) reiterate that an ISD is much too big and strong for two fighters - or, for that matter, fighter in general - to take on. Even Rogue Squadron by itself. They also claim that what Ackbar said is conventional common wisdom, and that the only method that massed fighters have in taking out an ISD (capital ships) requires massive simoultaneous bombardment with full salvos from a very large number of fighters to bring down the shields on even a single section of shields. Even for an old outdated Victory Star Destroyer, it would take a full squadron acting in concert to bring down one of the main shield sections; for an Imperator class, this number goes up. Dramatically. And getting a large fighter run to impact an entire massed salvo all at once is pretty tricky.

Consider, then, the battle of ROTJ in this light. In theory, if most of the Rebel fighters were assembled into a single lot and all dumped their protorps, they might down the Executor's shields, provided the large number of TIEs present and the anti-fighter fire that would concentrate on such a large formation didn't shoot down any of them beforehand.
It takes about five for the captain to give the order and the helmsman to press the button.
So? It still takes a very short fraction of a second to actually fire.

There's an old order: "Fire when ready." Also sometimes given as "Fire at will." Yes, there's a standing order to shoot Riker in the books, but it also means that tactical is firing at their own discretion; the captain does not have to order every shot made.
More fish from the Trekkies. Sulu was calling out the distances while the E-nil was still w/o warp power and the enemy ship was clearly stated to be at warp. Even DiTL acknowledges this.
So, in other words, the Klingon battlecruiser was warp strafing, and the Enterprise's own warp strafe was made without any calling of distances.
And NAME ONE time this was done ON THE SHOW!!!
Swapping very quickly between warp and impulse? The Picard Maneuver requires it, as I mentioned earlier.
them NEVER taking advantage of this potentially devastating tactic does.
As I mentioned... not "never." And it's not particularly devastating against an equally capable opponent... which is usually the case in Trek. Either that, or the battle is so severely mismatched that one may as well not bother.
Not in combat it hasn't.
Combat at warp is very well established, Darth.
Not really. And phaser beams are dodged on the show (Rascals). No one is EVER able to get out of the way of a blaster bolt.
So stormtroopers just have horribly bad aim? Nobody ever parries a phaser bolt. You can "dodge" a laser IRL... provided you move out of the way before the trigger is pulled.

And on the ship scale - which is what I was referring to - we see phaser banks emit solid beams. Blank space, then beam connecting target and Enterprise. Which implies a much faster speed than the slowly propagating bolts seen coming out of TL guns on ships.
well then, lets SEE those numbers.
"Two." (When Knight Hammer is introduced: "Only the Executor was this big -- and that one ship practically bankrupted the Empire."
"Two." (When Lusanyka is introduced.)

(It's something of a theme, actually.)

All in all, a bit over a dozen such "super" star destroyers of varying types are introduced in the EU, and they seem rather rarer than fleets of a hundred or more Star Destroyers.
So what? the calculation remains the same even if you lump in things like Victory class and Executor class.
I would say it's a shade different, actually.
And WHERE did the people at LL say that canon only means "an official product" and NOT part of continuity?
You misread me. Part of some continuity doesn't exactly mean the same thing as "canon."

When Paramount says canon, they mean authoritative, real, part of permanent continuity, and that production staff are obliged to respect as precedent. This is not what LL means.
So? How does that change the FACT that it doesn't look ANYTHING like what we saw in SOE?
A MT explosion in the place of the SOE explosion would not even be visible at typical television resolution.

The actual fireball from a 100 MT explosion would likely not be visible either. What we see require a pretty high yield to reproduce even vaguely by detonating something on the surface.
Any shockwave propagating through a breathable atmosphere would be white hot, not dulllish yellow. I ask again, don't you have any idea what megaton yield explosions look like?
I do... as I mentioned earlier, you don't appear to.

The radiant energy from a shockwave is based entirely on its temperature... which declines over time. As with any "black body" emission, it will pass through stages of being dimmer and dimmer, including what you might like to think of as "dull yellow."

Portions of a shockwave exiting the atmosphere - which is what we see, presumably, in SOE, which shows ejection outside the atmosphere - must inevitably disperse in a hurry and can't trade speed for more heat traveling through a vacuum. Thus... a fast cooling shockwave that turns transparent in a hurry. Now that you've pointed out the bit about actual shockwave temperature, that works quite well, thank you muchly.

Now... do I have to draw a picture of what a MT explosion would look like, assuming perfectly clear conditions, next to the SOE explosion, or have you started to figure out what a MT yield really looks like on a planet?

Would someone with more knowldege of nuclear yield blasts please explain to this retard why the SOE explosion and the TDiC bombardment look NOTHING like what a real Megaton-gigaton level bombardment would? I've tried pointing out the lack of a persistant white hot persistant fireball, no ejecta, not even a crater and he just doesn't listen.

Post by **Coyote** » 2005-02-18 09:51am

This hoser sounds like a poser.

He should know "Demolitions" if he was a 12B, and as a real 12B he wouldn't need to explain "...and Infantry operations", it is implied in the Combat Engineer mission. Unless he felt a need to prop his point up.

He said his unit was "attatched" to the 1st Armored... not organic to the 1st Armored. That could mean a lot of things, but National Guard or Reserves could be included.

Someone who went through all that should be a lot more....um....secure about himself. And the name not matching exactly. Something smells fishy about this dude.

Post by **Vympel** » 2005-02-18 10:31am

Would someone with more knowldege of nuclear yield blasts please explain to this retard why the SOE explosion and the TDiC bombardment look NOTHING like what a real Megaton-gigaton level bombardment would? I've tried pointing out the lack of a persistant white hot persistant fireball, no ejecta, not even a crater and he just doesn't listen.

I argued the issue extensively with him on strek-v-swars. He's a classic long-winded, nitpicking bullshit artist, and his SoE argument is based on nothing but his own assertions, starting from "how can I make this a powerful explosion" and working backwards from there- he routinely just thinks up whatever he likes and says the multi-paragraph version of "I think this is the case". He has no good reason for why that dull yellow fireball that disappeared in a fraction of a second with no evidence of it's passing should imply high firepower at all. Watch, he'll probably bullshit about the planet's clouds next.

Darth Servo · Post by **Darth Servo** » 2005-02-18 02:09pm

Vympel wrote:I argued the issue extensively with him on strek-v-swars. He's a classic long-winded, nitpicking bullshit artist, and his SoE argument is based on nothing but his own assertions, starting from "how can I make this a powerful explosion" and working backwards from there- he routinely just thinks up whatever he likes and says the multi-paragraph version of "I think this is the case". He has no good reason for why that dull yellow fireball that disappeared in a fraction of a second with no evidence of it's passing should imply high firepower at all. Watch, he'll probably bullshit about the planet's clouds next.

Well, he's already tried to pass off the problems with TDiC with claims of a giant planetary hologram supposedly as part of the deceptive false sensor readings the Dominion was sending to the Roms/Cardies. I guess he just didn't realize that a planetary sized hologram would completely invalidate the large rings as evidence of huge explosions since they would be part of the hologram.