Darth Wong wrote:Or more accurately, around their fantasies about what their own personalities are, which is why they don't have RPG characters which are chronically lonely, depressed, and anti-social.
I do!:lol: I'm not that anti-social though. Nor lonely and depressed anymore either, but I do make characters that are horribly depressed.
You have time during a game to decide the emotional state of a character?
When did gaming become amateur theatre hour? What's wrong with "My cleric tries to turn the zombies" ?
I don't object so much to these Munchkin characters on the grounds that those who play them are wankers, because everyone knows they are. It's just that there's no fucking way someone actually created that PC honestly. It's the lamest form of cheating in any game. At least it takes some kind of skill to tuck an ace in your sleeve, as opposed to a 49th level half-cyborg anti-paladin with a billion hit points and +10 everything that some drama queen pulled out of one's ass.
I've seen people who claim with a straight face that they actually worked their characters to such absurdly high level and power try to play in a properly run game. Their PCs are almost always the first to die, even before the noobs, who aren't stunted by so much wank.
Elfdart wrote:You have time during a game to decide the emotional state of a character?
When did gaming become amateur theatre hour?
Forgive me for stating the obvious, but it was roughly the time White Wolf published the first edition of Vampire, and it only got worse when they published their LARP rules. Every emo kid and Goth wannabe came out of the woodwork to create horribly depressed and brooding characters who never really DID anything, all they did was whine about their state in life (or unlife, as the case may be).
I don't like being a bastard, but they leave me no choice.
The Cooler King wrote:Every emo kid and Goth wannabe came out of the woodwork to create horribly depressed and brooding characters who never really DID anything, all they did was whine about their state in life (or unlife, as the case may be).
Fortunately they release 'Werewolf: The Apocalypse' right afterwards, which allowed me and assorted co-conspirators to hijack such games and turn them into 'Furry Superheros with Magic & Guns!'. Ah, the sweet sound of a whiny vampire disolving under a burst from a USAS-12 firing white phosphorous rounds on full auto.
General Zod wrote:See bolded part. It's always been a pet peeve of mine when people list things that they think are character flaws but wind up being played out as an actual character benefit. (Wouldn't it be more believable to have characters actually give up on something out of frustration from time to time?) It's as if they simply can't bring themselves to create a character that's actually believable and not perfect.
It might come from the "what's your biggest weakness?" question in job interviews where you need to try and turn a weakness into a strength. Not that I expect any of these losers to actually have a job but they've probably heard about it from others.
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Darth Servo wrote:
It might come from the "what's your biggest weakness?" question in job interviews where you need to try and turn a weakness into a strength. Not that I expect any of these losers to actually have a job but they've probably heard about it from others.
True. Though any rational person (not that I'm saying munchkins are rational) should realize that this type of mentality doesn't apply when creating characters. (RPGs or otherwise). Invincible supermen with no flaws that everyone likes are simply boring and lame. Needless to say you don't see them very often in successful mainstream literature.
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Stark wrote:Oh breaking dodgey systems can be hilarious, but it's hardly the path to group RP happiness or successful storytelling.
Meh. There's a time for great storytelling, and a time for 'I remind Mr. Vampire what a flamethrower does to dead flesh' hurting things. Usually depends on the moods of the players.
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SilverWingedSeraph wrote:They don't roleplay, they just create characters around their own personality, which is somewhat infuriating.
Or more accurately, around their fantasies about what their own personalities are, which is why they don't have RPG characters which are chronically lonely, depressed, and anti-social.
You've never played with a Drizzt clone, have you Wong?
"Uh...he's got a scar on his cheek, never gives up and his penis is just too big."
"Aright. He's so butt-ugly he makes children cry, he's so stupidly obsessively compulsive that he will try running into a wall repeatedly until he runs into it in just the right way, and has a glass groin. Sound good to you? :twisted:"
The player will either revise his character's flaws, leave, or really enjoy himself.
I had a player once who actually intentionally built his character like your version of those flaws. It was quite amusing, really.
Y'know, it's sad. I've made -literal- god characters who come off as less wanked than DH and some of those examples from SA.
General Schatten wrote: You've never played with a Drizzt clone, have you Wong?
I'll bet Gary Gygax has to cry himself to sleep at night knowing that one of his most novel creations has been turned into such a shitty piece of wank. I remember when the Drow were cool enemies in the game, before the dark times... before Salvatore did a third-rate Elric clone, and teenage twats along with overgrown adolescent fucktards injected brooding angst into a goddamned GAME.
Forgive me for stating the obvious, but it was roughly the time White Wolf published the first edition of Vampire, and it only got worse when they published their LARP rules. Every emo kid and Goth wannabe came out of the woodwork to create horribly depressed and brooding characters who never really DID anything, all they did was whine about their state in life (or unlife, as the case may be).
Sounds like an RPG Anne Rice would love.
The surest way to get a self-serious little shithead to quit wearing all black, stop coloring his hair with a Sharpie and quit avoiding sunlight is to get him to read one of Rice's "erotica" novels. They are very unintentionally funny (though every bit as pretentious as her vampire crap) and offer by far the funniest depictions of anal sex since Eddie Murphy did his impression of Mr. T taking one up the ass.
SirNitram wrote:
Meh. There's a time for great storytelling, and a time for 'I remind Mr. Vampire what a flamethrower does to dead flesh' hurting things. Usually depends on the moods of the players.
That's not breaking the system - that's totally ingame. I mean stuff like 'whoops the designer forgot I could put all my perks here that cancel out all these expensive flaws and now I'm all classes at once' stuff, or abusable skills (like celerity) etc. Not just breaking player expectations... humans with flamers were awesome against 'oh I'll just turn into mistform' idiots.
Ryushikaze wrote:Y'know, it's sad. I've made -literal- god characters who come off as less wanked than DH and some of those examples from SA.
An old friend of mine agreed to DM a game in a hobby shop years ago and allowed the players to bring their own PCs -but no Munchkins allowed. How did he define "Munchkin"? He compared the PCs to the gods, demigods and heroes in Deities & Demigods (the old version) and if they were more powerful than the heroes (i.e. godlike), they were Munchkins. I told him he should just disallow such wank PCs and make them roll up real characters. He did worse: He ran them through Tomb of Horrors and they all died in humiliating fashion.
Elfdart wrote:You have time during a game to decide the emotional state of a character?
When did gaming become amateur theatre hour? What's wrong with "My cleric tries to turn the zombies" ?
It depends entirely on the GM and the campaign. Some are more character oriented and some we just kick in doors and stab monsters in the face and take their stuff.
Elfdart wrote:
I told him he should just disallow such wank PCs and make them roll up real characters. He did worse: He ran them through Tomb of Horrors and they all died in humiliating fashion.
That's fucking great!
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Elfdart wrote:
I told him he should just disallow such wank PCs and make them roll up real characters. He did worse: He ran them through Tomb of Horrors and they all died in humiliating fashion.
That's fucking great!
That one module can stop wanking more effectively than anything short of steel wool gloves and several tablespoons of ground glass in the lubricant.
Lord Poe wrote:I was wrong earlier. Ian isn't Dildo Cuntfart. Ian was hosting a forum for Cuntfart Studios, and when Paramount Legal (And Louisiana Tech) came knockin', Ian booted Dildo out of his webspace.
How did you find this out? Has anyone infiltrated his new board yet? Anymore news?
Come on, boys, don't be such pussies. Speak up! You won't get banned unless you break the rules, and flaming isn't one of them. (Unless its not backed up by anything.)
Like I said in their own forum, they wouldn't be so ballsy if they didn't have admin powers to abuse.
Oh, and people, go watch the original cut of the Last Bastion 4 Teaser Trailer, and see what this fuckhole was gushing his maxi-pad about.
Lord Poe wrote:I was wrong earlier. Ian isn't Dildo Cuntfart. Ian was hosting a forum for Cuntfart Studios, and when Paramount Legal (And Louisiana Tech) came knockin', Ian booted Dildo out of his webspace.
How did you find this out? Has anyone infiltrated his new board yet? Anymore news?
Board is still down. Clicking either the registration or login links kicks you to Google.
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Stark wrote:That's not breaking the system - that's totally ingame. I mean stuff like 'whoops the designer forgot I could put all my perks here that cancel out all these expensive flaws and now I'm all classes at once' stuff, or abusable skills (like celerity) etc. Not just breaking player expectations... humans with flamers were awesome against 'oh I'll just turn into mistform' idiots.
Oh, I break systems every now and then, usually as a precaution against twinky players. Because there's always a chink.
But I consider a game in which everyone is told 'Be uber!' to be akin to playing through Doom on Godmode: Relaxation and over-the-top ridiculousness. Though my Over The Top Ridiculous RPG has gone back to Paranoia.
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April 25, 2007
A Different Kind of Copyright Battle
Filed under: Machinima — overman @ 1:09 pm
Mr. Poe tells a very interesting story of his experience with a copyright battle he recently went through related to his machinima. Which game or media company did he end up tangling with? The answer may surprise you.
None. His “opponent,” in this particular case, was a fellow filmmaker, believe it or not. What started as rivals sparring soon led to claims of infringement, the banning of Mr. Poe’s YouTube account, the rallying of some friends to his cause, and ultimately his exoneration and reinstatement with the online video mammoth. It’s a fun read, and Mr. Poe’s series, The Last Bastion, which is a Star Wars vs. Star Trek comedy spoof, is an entertaining romp as well.
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Besides being an amusing tale, an interesting look at copyright law and the internet, and a peek into what other machinima creators are up to, this is an absolute confirmation of my belief that 99% of all internet people are crazy.
Sometimes you just have to shake your head and ask yourself “WTF is WRONG with people?” Does the internet MAKE them crazy, are they crazy out in the real world and we just don’t notice, or does the internet bring out the closet crazy in the bulk of the surfing population?
These petty internet squabbles are typical, I’m afraid, of a certain type of people who love drama above all else. I’m glad to see Mr. Poe rightly prevailed, and I hope this is the end of it for him, because it was no doubt distressing for him.
Stories like this just make me want to unplug and take a shower. It’s amazing the lengths people will go to to try to ‘win’, even when they’re clearly in the wrong.
Comment by Nova — April 25, 2007 @ 4:35 pm
On the one hand I’ve seen these sorts of internet brawls breakout since the dawn of HTTP. Something about the lowered barriers to entry and interaction getting the primates all riled up.
On the other hand, dueling filmmakers is pretty damn amusing. Reminds of a tale I have just read about Leonardo and Michelangelo.
Comment by bllius — April 25, 2007 @ 8:31 pm
"Brian, if I parked a supertanker in Central Park, painted it neon orange, and set it on fire, it would be less obvious than your stupidity." --RedImperator
On the saga, some people are too stupid to live and thus steal perfectly good oxygen from the rest of us.
On RPG characters - not sure what this says about me but I usually make mine usefull but extremely annoying, and unable to defend themselves always good for a laugh when you nick a magic sword to give it a polish.
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"Brian, if I parked a supertanker in Central Park, painted it neon orange, and set it on fire, it would be less obvious than your stupidity." --RedImperator
Lord Poe wrote:Dildo Cuntfart has been very quiet lately....
I'm not surprised. I presume it's difficult for him to communicate with his foot lodged firmly in his mouth.
I didn't think their was enough room in there for both his head and foot. Guess I was wrong.
I suspect it could be argued that while his foot is firmly in his mouth, his head is currently located...somewhat lower.
Besides, when has that ever stopped these people from making even more of a fool of themselves?
'Next time I let Superman take charge, just hit me. Real hard.'
'You're a princess from a society of immortal warriors. I'm a rich kid with issues. Lots of issues.'
'No. No dating for the Batman. It might cut into your brooding time.'
'Tactically we have multiple objectives. So we need to split into teams.'-'Dibs on the Amazon!'
'Hey, we both have a Martian's phone number on our speed dial. I think I deserve the benefit of the doubt.'
'You know, for a guy with like 50 different kinds of vision, you sure are blind.'
Sometimes you just have to shake your head and ask yourself “WTF is WRONG with people?” Does the internet MAKE them crazy, are they crazy out in the real world and we just don’t notice, or does the internet bring out the closet crazy in the bulk of the surfing population?
I believe Mike Wong has stated repeatedly that the anonymous nature of internet posting gives people like Dumbte Lyingtard the feeling that they can be complete assholes and not have to suffer any consequences.
"everytime a person is born the Earth weighs just a little more."--DMJ on StarTrek.com
"You see now you are using your thinking and that is not a good thing!" DMJay on StarTrek.com
"Watching Sarli argue with Vympel, Stas, Schatten and the others is as bizarre as the idea of the 40-year-old Virgin telling Hugh Hefner that Hef knows nothing about pussy, and that he is the expert."--Elfdart
Go there, put a gun on his head an say: "Stop using my work dude. And for the work you already used without permission, i want 50000 dollars. Now."
At least, that's what i think Chili Palmer would do.
Mustang:
Just go ahead and pull the trigger.
Heh heh... maybe not...
Isn't Melvin in enough trouble?
"Brian, if I parked a supertanker in Central Park, painted it neon orange, and set it on fire, it would be less obvious than your stupidity." --RedImperator
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