8472 Planet Killer vs Death Star

[Typhonis 1]

The death Star is a much more efficient planet killer than the bio ships for a very simple reason . It DOESN~T have to fire its main gun to affect the target planet.

My reasoning is this they bring the DS in .Have it hover well within planetary TL range and let them shoot it do this for a day to get the message across."At any time we can kill you however if you surrender we will be merciful"

8472 has NO other option than to fire its gun. The ships are too small to be seen from the plante and enemy ships can kill the formation . thats all IMHO .

[Tribun]

There is something, which we haven't put in account yet. The Death Star is NOT ONLY WITH HIS MAIN WEAPON dangerous for planets. The Death Star got, if correctly scaled ~100.000 Turbolasers. That would be far too much for any planetary shield too.

So if the main weapon is not availible, they can STILL commit easiy a BDZ to completly waste the planet. Of that we didn't even thought until yet.....

[SPOOFE]

One thing that I'm noticing is that Sovereign is assuming that the world that 8472 destroyed was Earth-sized. I saw no reason to assume that it had a standard gravity, or that it had any appreciable atmosphere. For all we know, it was the size of Pluto.

[YT300000]

One thing that I'm noticing is that Sovereign is assuming that the world that 8472 destroyed was Earth-sized. I saw no reason to assume that it had a standard gravity, or that it had any appreciable atmosphere. For all we know, it was the size of Pluto.

Technically, it might have been just a few times bigger than the surrounding Borg cubes.

[Soulman]

The death Star is a much more efficient planet killer than the bio ships for a very simple reason . It DOESN~T have to fire its main gun to affect the target planet.

My reasoning is this they bring the DS in .Have it hover well within planetary TL range and let them shoot it do this for a day to get the message across."At any time we can kill you however if you surrender we will be merciful"

8472 has NO other option than to fire its gun. The ships are too small to be seen from the plante and enemy ships can kill the formation . thats all IMHO .

I'd contend that against a poorly defended planet without shields the 8472 planet killer is more efficient. It is a miniscule fraction of the size and could be built by a species who in all likelyhood wouldn't have been able to build anything even close to the scale of DS. Indeed as it uses a chain reaction it is even more efficient, you put less energy in for the same effect (well against a typical ST planet).

Indeed I could use an arguement similar to yours to say that USS Iowa is more efficient at destroying farmhouses than a 155mm arty piece, the Iowa can use it's 16" guns to annhilate the hous, it's secondary 5" guns to destroy the house, or it's 40mm AA (I believe) to damage the house warning the occupants whilst the artillery piece only has one weapon at it's disposal. Clearly the couple of tons worth of artillery is far more efficient than 50,000 tons worth of battleship, much like the planet killer seems to be far more efficient than the DS.

[Anarchist Bunny]

I'd contend that against a poorly defended planet without shields the 8472 planet killer is more efficient. It is a miniscule fraction of the size and could be built by a species who in all likelyhood wouldn't have been able to build anything even close to the scale of DS.

Ok, I'll start trying to make a tank the size of a city, you start trying to geneticly altar a insect so that its the size of a city block and has the same power. Just because it's smaller doesn't mean it's easier to make.
Also your forgeting the part about the planets ground and orbital defenses as well as any ships up their blasting the hell out of their ships as they come into range for their weapon or as they sit in their nice little formation.

Indeed I could use an arguement similar to yours to say that USS Iowa is more efficient at destroying farmhouses than a 155mm arty piece, the Iowa can use it's 16" guns to annhilate the hous, it's secondary 5" guns to destroy the house, or it's 40mm AA (I believe) to damage the house warning the occupants whilst the artillery piece only has one weapon at it's disposal. Clearly the couple of tons worth of artillery is far more efficient than 50,000 tons worth of battleship, much like the planet killer seems to be far more efficient than the DS.

A better example would be a mountain fortress, a carrier with a big nuke and a stealth bomber vs a mad scientist with a volcano ray. A house can be destroyed by the stuff under the sink, thats why your example is bad. It's really hard to competely destroy a planet. And of course it's alot easier to shoot a guy walking up to your fortess mountain then it is to down a bomber.

[YT300000]

Several people have said that 8472 is more efficient because their ships are smaller and easier to make.

1. As anarchistbunny pointed out, we don't know if they're easier or faster to make.
2. The Death Star is the Empire's largest planet killer. Their smallet is the Galaxy Gun missile, ~150 metres long. Thats smaller than a bioship, and it doesn't rely on a chain reaction to destroy a planet.

[Typhonis 1]

Like I said before the visual impact of the Death Star would bee nough to make the people surrender WITHOUT it needding to be used .Thy can see it as it orbits the planet or merely hangs there .They can see the plnetary defenses not ven damaging it as it hangs there waiting. They know it can kill them anytime and at that point will probobly surrender before it is fired .

The bioships have to ruxh in taking fire from orbiatal platforms,and fighters and ships in the area and remeber most Wars anti ship missles are in the 190 MT range ,nd these are fighter carried,plus they must maintain formation as the middle ship powers up .Then said ships need to pierce the planets shields to blow it up.


Death Star is more effective .It at the least isn`t a one trick pony

[SirNitram]

Several people have said that 8472 is more efficient because their ships are smaller and easier to make.

1. As anarchistbunny pointed out, we don't know if they're easier or faster to make.
2. The Death Star is the Empire's largest planet killer. Their smallet is the Galaxy Gun missile, ~150 metres long. Thats smaller than a bioship, and it doesn't rely on a chain reaction to destroy a planet.

Uh, wtf? The GG Missile is definately a chain reaction. It's NDF on fucking steroids. However, it's been shown to bypass shields effortlessly.

The smallest big damage dealer, though, is the Sun Crusher.

[YT300000]

Several people have said that 8472 is more efficient because their ships are smaller and easier to make.

1. As anarchistbunny pointed out, we don't know if they're easier or faster to make.
2. The Death Star is the Empire's largest planet killer. Their smallet is the Galaxy Gun missile, ~150 metres long. Thats smaller than a bioship, and it doesn't rely on a chain reaction to destroy a planet.

Uh, wtf? The GG Missile is definately a chain reaction. It's NDF on fucking steroids. However, it's been shown to bypass shields effortlessly.

The smallest big damage dealer, though, is the Sun Crusher.

Doh! Stupid me.

Unlike a bioship however, a GG missile has defensive turrets. It does not rely on its main weapon for all of its attacks.

[SirNitram]

Several people have said that 8472 is more efficient because their ships are smaller and easier to make.

1. As anarchistbunny pointed out, we don't know if they're easier or faster to make.
2. The Death Star is the Empire's largest planet killer. Their smallet is the Galaxy Gun missile, ~150 metres long. Thats smaller than a bioship, and it doesn't rely on a chain reaction to destroy a planet.

Uh, wtf? The GG Missile is definately a chain reaction. It's NDF on fucking steroids. However, it's been shown to bypass shields effortlessly.

The smallest big damage dealer, though, is the Sun Crusher.

Doh! Stupid me.

Unlike a bioship however, a GG missile has defensive turrets. It does not rely on its main weapon for all of its attacks.

The missiles have turrets? May I ask the source?

[SPOOFE]

He might've mistaken the references for the GG missile's defenses - that is, really really strong shields - as a reference to defensive turrets.

[YT300000]

The missiles have turrets? May I ask the source?

The Galaxy Gun is perhaps the ultimate expression of long-distance lethality. It fires unique intelligent projectiles which navigate through hyperspace at incredible speeds (a Galaxy Gun missile can travel through hyperspace from the Deep Core to anywhere in the Outer Rim within a few hours). These projectiles are more than mere missiles; they boast energy shielding, heavy armour, and defensive laser cannons. Upon their re-emergence in realspace they can penetrate planetary shields and strike any target (ref. SWEGWT).

From the main site.

[Grand Admiral Thrawn]

This is a tough one, while the 8472 version has to fire its beam for longer and the DS doesnt, the 8472's can make more of these Planet Killers, because the components are less complex.

Lets see:

8472:

8 or so standard ships
1 Focusing ship

10 + second blast, and planet is destroyed

Imperials:

Massive 120 km or so sphere, enourmous resources are necessary, though for the Empire, this aint much of a problem. Takes a while to build I would imagine.

Please read the site you fucking idiot. It's 160 km. Since they built 60% of the 900km DS in six mounths in secret the Empire's industrial capability is unmatched.

A couple of seconds of blast and planet is destroyed.

My conclusion is: 8472.

The DS has superior destructive capabilities but only by a few seconds.[/quote]

Wrong you fucking dumbass. The DS is orders of magnitude higher than the firepower needed to blow away a planet. the 8472 PK is less powerful then needed since it relies on chain reaction.

The 8472 one is less robust, but they can make a lot more planet killers that the Empire could make Death Stars. Mere speculation, but 8472's do grow their ships. This is generally more effiecient than construction.

Fuck you. http://www.stardestroyer.net/Empire/Ess ... nBugs.html Scroll to organic technology.

In a 1 on 1 fight, the 8472 would lose if they both fired at the same time. This is excluding fighters etc. However, the 8472's could come back with 5 + focusing ships and added support ships and then attack the DS.

Wrong dumbass. The ships would be instantly blown away by hundreds of thousands of TLs. And concidering the Alderaan shield held up for a tenth of a second against the DS and it should have stronger shields, I doubt the 8472 blast will phase it.

[Grand Admiral Thrawn]

16 seconds actually. And it uses a chain reaction to blow up t he planet which probably doesn't work on planetary shields.

One thing I noticed, is the fact that everyone assumes that it will not work on Planet Shields. This makes it where Star Wars will always win. But it has not been confirmed, so it is not a victory or a conclusion.

Two seconds after the Beam struck the Borg world, eruption accord around the planet. So there had to be a physical impact into the world. And it is clearly strong enough to break into the core in seconds. The planet begins to burn even more, turn to lava, and after the beam stopped it explodes. The attack probably burned the planet inside out and then erupted. Like filling a balloon with too much air.

HA! Man you're funny. Since it relies on a chain reaction it's only going to be less than 2e32 joules. An alderaan planetary shield stopped a 1e38 blast for 1/10 seconds.

There is a possibility of cloning. 8472 was capable of altering they way they look and such, maybe they capture creatures a genetically altered them. Kinda like the Zurg on Starcraft.

And this is more efficient than construction? Oh wait it's not!

[Anarchist Bunny]

So, is it safe to say that we put this thread on the list and wait for Sovie to come back in August?

[EmperorMing]

So, is it safe to say that we put this thread on the list and wait for Sovie to come back in August?

Do it.

[Admiral Johnason]

So, is it safe to say that we put this thread on the list and wait for Sovie to come back in August?

What do you mena Augest? Did he say that's when he would return or is there some kind of time table. I mena I noticed Spacelugi and Galaxy followed a pattern, but are you sure.

[Darth Servo]

What do you mena Augest? Did he say that's when he would return or is there some kind of time table. I mena I noticed Spacelugi and Galaxy followed a pattern, but are you sure.

Sovereign does seem to disappear for a couple of months and then start a brand new topic with the same old bull. I'd bet on July somjetime.

[Admiral Johnason]

What do you mena Augest? Did he say that's when he would return or is there some kind of time table. I mena I noticed Spacelugi and Galaxy followed a pattern, but are you sure.

Sovereign does seem to disappear for a couple of months and then start a brand new topic with the same old bull. I'd bet on July somjetime.

Then can I please help tear him apart? PLLEEEAASSSEE?

[Darth Servo]

Then can I please help tear him apart? PLLEEEAASSSEE?

If you're browwsing the BBS at the same time he's posting his crap, by all means. Don't expect him to reply to you though.

[Admiral Johnason]

Then can I please help tear him apart? PLLEEEAASSSEE?

If you're browwsing the BBS at the same time he's posting his crap, by all means. Don't expect him to reply to you though.

Thank you. I haven't really attacked a troll since I took some shots at Galaxy and Spacelugi.

[consequences]

Why is this thread still alive?(where's the nausea smilie?) Did the Black Mage's raise it as undead for their unholy amusement? The argument is on, he's not going to learn, let's turn our attention to more profitable and realistic pursuits, such as the herding of cats as labor animals.

[thecreech]

Why is this thread still alive?(where's the nausea smilie?) Did the Black Mage's raise it as undead for their unholy amusement? The argument is on, he's not going to learn, let's turn our attention to more profitable and realistic pursuits, such as the herding of cats as labor animals.

What I am really suprised at is that the 8472 keep getting more votes. It was at six the last time now it is at eight votes. .

[consequences]

I'm sorry there was a poll? I thought that was so much common sense it didn't need a vote. i've done my small part to correctly balance it now though.