LAAT vs shuttles

Luke Starkiller · Post by **Luke Starkiller** » 2002-08-18 08:20pm

Feel free to correct me with a direct quote, but I had thought that Photon Torpedos were rated somewhere around 64 megatons, and those are the coffin sized ones that capships (such as they are) fire. A shuttle would presumeabley have smaller torps than that would it not?

Raxmei · Post by **Raxmei** » 2002-08-18 08:21pm

Shadow wrote:1. It doesn't need to be that close.
2. According to the TMs, that torpedo would have a yield of 512 megatons, close to an LTL. Of course, even a kiliton would be enough to penetrate Clonetrooper armor.

1.The tech manual isn't canon
2.Last I heard, the tech manual said 64 megatons for a capship photorp.
3.The LAAT has shields, not just the armor.

Grand Admiral Thrawn · Post by **Grand Admiral Thrawn** » 2002-08-18 08:29pm

Shadow wrote:1. It doesn't need to be that close.

WTF are you talking about?

Torpedo can reach LAAT from orbit!=Torpedo can hit LAAT from orbit.

2. According to the TMs, that torpedo would have a yield of 512 megatons, close to an LTL.

Except TMs aren't canon and those are cap ship torpedoes.

Of course, even a kiliton would be enough to penetrate Clonetrooper armor.

Shame it's not Clonie vs Shuttle...

Darth Garden Gnome · Post by **Darth Garden Gnome** » 2002-08-18 08:34pm

Grand Admiral Thrawn wrote: Shame it's not Clonie vs Shuttle...

Yeah, then the trooper would down the shuttle with just his blaster rifle.

Embaressing for the Federation, this is.

Alyeska · Post by **Alyeska** » 2002-08-18 08:41pm

Grand Admiral Thrawn wrote:A fresh fully functional Runabout (which IIRC are stronger then shuttles) lost its shields and was knocked out of orbit by one 900 megawatt shot. All weapons on a LAAT are superior to that. IIRC a LAAT took one hit from a Genosian fighter, which guns are 1e13 J or about 2 kilotons.

And we have examples of Runabouts surviving multi MT level weaponry. We know a Runabout can survive capship level weapons which are rated MT level.

Grand Admiral Thrawn · Post by **Grand Admiral Thrawn** » 2002-08-18 08:43pm

Alyeska wrote:
And we have examples of Runabouts surviving multi MT level weaponry. We know a Runabout can survive capship level weapons which are rated MT level.

We know they are MT from non-canon sources. Non Canon<Canon.

Alyeska · Post by **Alyeska** » 2002-08-18 08:58pm

Grand Admiral Thrawn wrote:
Alyeska wrote:
And we have examples of Runabouts surviving multi MT level weaponry. We know a Runabout can survive capship level weapons which are rated MT level.

We know they are MT from non-canon sources. Non Canon<Canon.

How much energy would it take to bore through 1 mile of solid rock in a single second? A shaft of about 5 meters wide... Just assume its standard Igneous rock with some Metamorphic rock in the lower regions.

Grand Admiral Thrawn · Post by **Grand Admiral Thrawn** » 2002-08-18 08:59pm

Alyeska wrote:
Grand Admiral Thrawn wrote:
Alyeska wrote:
And we have examples of Runabouts surviving multi MT level weaponry. We know a Runabout can survive capship level weapons which are rated MT level.

We know they are MT from non-canon sources. Non Canon<Canon.
How much energy would it take to bore through 1 mile of solid rock in a single second? A shaft of about 5 meters wide... Just assume its standard Igneous rock with some Metamorphic rock in the lower regions.

Vap or disitigrate?

And NDF makes stuff all screwy.

Darth Garden Gnome · Post by **Darth Garden Gnome** » 2002-08-18 09:01pm

[quote="Alyeska] How much energy would it take to bore through 1 mile of solid rock in a single second? A shaft of about 5 meters wide... Just assume its standard Igneous rock with some Metamorphic rock in the lower regions.[/quote]

And what does that have anything to do with shooting down an LAAT, or finding the yield of a shuttle photon torpedo?

Alyeska · Post by **Alyeska** » 2002-08-18 09:01pm

Grand Admiral Thrawn wrote:
Alyeska wrote:
Grand Admiral Thrawn wrote:

We know they are MT from non-canon sources. Non Canon<Canon.
How much energy would it take to bore through 1 mile of solid rock in a single second? A shaft of about 5 meters wide... Just assume its standard Igneous rock with some Metamorphic rock in the lower regions.

Vap or disitigrate?

And NDF makes stuff all screwy.

Indeed. How much energy is used to cause a Nuclear reaction? A 9volt battery? Is it POSSIBLE that the weapon that downed the Runabouts shields while being 900 MW had an affect on the shields of relatively greater praportion?

Alyeska · Post by **Alyeska** » 2002-08-18 09:03pm

Darth Garden Gnome wrote:[quote="Alyeska] How much energy would it take to bore through 1 mile of solid rock in a single second? A shaft of about 5 meters wide... Just assume its standard Igneous rock with some Metamorphic rock in the lower regions.

And what does that have anything to do with shooting down an LAAT, or finding the yield of a shuttle photon torpedo?[/quote]

That would establish the power of the E-Ds main phaser array. It has a relative firepower to the main array of a Galor class ship. Runabouts can survive at least a single hit from a Galor.

Darth Garden Gnome · Post by **Darth Garden Gnome** » 2002-08-18 09:05pm

Ah, my mistake, I see.

I was pretty sure that the NDF effect only helped it kill rock, and was actually less effective against shields and armor.

Grand Admiral Thrawn · Post by **Grand Admiral Thrawn** » 2002-08-18 09:05pm

Alyeska wrote:
That would establish the power of the E-Ds main phaser array. It has a relative firepower to the main array of a Galor class ship. Runabouts can survive at least a single hit from a Galor.

Since when does the E-D phasers equal a Galors?

SirNitram · Post by **SirNitram** » 2002-08-18 09:07pm

Darth Garden Gnome wrote:Ah, my mistake, I see.

I was pretty sure that the NDF effect only helped it kill rock, and was actually less effective against shields and armor.

They have greater power against shields, but horrible effectiveness against starship hulls and armour.

Grand Admiral Thrawn · Post by **Grand Admiral Thrawn** » 2002-08-18 09:11pm

Alyeska wrote:
Indeed. How much energy is used to cause a Nuclear reaction? A 9volt battery? Is it POSSIBLE that the weapon that downed the Runabouts shields while being 900 MW had an affect on the shields of relatively greater praportion?

No proof of that.

Alyeska · Post by **Alyeska** » 2002-08-18 10:59pm

SirNitram wrote:
Darth Garden Gnome wrote:Ah, my mistake, I see.

I was pretty sure that the NDF effect only helped it kill rock, and was actually less effective against shields and armor.
They have greater power against shields, but horrible effectiveness against starship hulls and armour.

I see, and if phasers can drill through 1 mile of solid rock per second?

Alyeska · Post by **Alyeska** » 2002-08-18 11:00pm

Grand Admiral Thrawn wrote:
Alyeska wrote:
That would establish the power of the E-Ds main phaser array. It has a relative firepower to the main array of a Galor class ship. Runabouts can survive at least a single hit from a Galor.

Since when does the E-D phasers equal a Galors?

They aren't, they are somewhat stronger.

Shadow · Post by **Shadow** » 2002-08-18 11:02pm

The big hole in the side dosen't have a shield, so the only thing protecting them is body armor. Voyager uses Type VI torpedoes. These are rated at 200 isotons. In the TMs, 25 isotons is equal to 64 megatons.

Post by **Mr Bean** » 2002-08-18 11:05pm

TM's are not Cannon Shadow get over it, I'm suprised you finaly showed back up after the beating I gave you the last time and since when is the Voyager VS the LAAT

Oh and Shadow they have a little thing called DOORS on the LAATs

SirNitram · Post by **SirNitram** » 2002-08-18 11:09pm

Alyeska wrote:
SirNitram wrote:
Darth Garden Gnome wrote:Ah, my mistake, I see.

I was pretty sure that the NDF effect only helped it kill rock, and was actually less effective against shields and armor.
They have greater power against shields, but horrible effectiveness against starship hulls and armour.
I see, and if phasers can drill through 1 mile of solid rock per second?

You mean Inheritance? That wasn't a mile a second, but 2 Km in 5 seconds. It's something like 1250 m³/s vapped. That's.. I think... 200kT? Not sure. Could be lower. Damn you, NDF reactions.

VF5SS · Post by **VF5SS** » 2002-08-18 11:29pm

Shadow wrote:The big hole in the side dosen't have a shield, so the only thing protecting them is body armor. Voyager uses Type VI torpedoes. These are rated at 200 isotons. In the TMs, 25 isotons is equal to 64 megatons.

Ok so one of these special isotons is equal to 2.56 megatons. 200 isotons is 512 megatons, and according to Harry Kim it takes 80 isotons to blow up a planet which is 204.8 megatons. I don't see that working... Canon dialogue... ya know... Yes I'm restating someone else's arguement since Shadow seems behind the times.

isolinear · Post by **isolinear** » 2002-08-18 11:58pm

LAATs may have the advantage of fast manuevers, but a shuttle can relies on the onboard computer to target the LAATs and finish them off with phaser fire. While the LAATs fly circles around a shuttle, the shuttle can finish the LAAT while stationary

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2002-08-19 12:02am

VF5SS · Post by **VF5SS** » 2002-08-19 12:04am

Right... the computers that have trouble hitting anything that actually moves?

Ender · Post by **Ender** » 2002-08-19 12:39am

Alyeska wrote:
Grand Admiral Thrawn wrote:A fresh fully functional Runabout (which IIRC are stronger then shuttles) lost its shields and was knocked out of orbit by one 900 megawatt shot. All weapons on a LAAT are superior to that. IIRC a LAAT took one hit from a Genosian fighter, which guns are 1e13 J or about 2 kilotons.
And we have examples of Runabouts surviving multi MT level weaponry. We know a Runabout can survive capship level weapons which are rated MT level.

Out of curiosity, were those direct hits it survived? That would make quite a difference you know.