Scimitar class Warbird

Cpt_Frank · Post by **Cpt_Frank** » 2002-08-30 02:32pm

Not caused by an internal shipwide systems failure btw

Kamakazie Sith · Post by **Kamakazie Sith** » 2002-08-30 02:41pm

Cpt_Frank wrote:Not caused by an internal shipwide systems failure btw

True

Evil Jerk · Post by **Evil Jerk** » 2002-08-30 02:47pm

So, does anybody have a picture of the Scimtar?
Hopefully it's design is a bit more original than that giant Bird of Prey there.

Ender · Post by **Ender** » 2002-08-30 02:57pm

I haven't seen anything of it exacpt the partial, darkened glances we get in the trailer.

Wicked Pilot · Post by **Wicked Pilot** » 2002-08-30 03:14pm

You would think that B&B could have designed some more Romulan capships during the Dominion war arc. Every week on DS9 and VOY the Federation got a new kit bash "ship o' the week." (most of which really sucked ass) Yet during all of TNG, DS9, and VOY they never designed a new Romulan ship. I have only one thing to say about this ship: It's about fucking time!

thecreech · Post by **thecreech** » 2002-08-30 03:15pm

I think the ship looks pretty good overall. I plan on seeing the movie just to see how well the CGI is done

Wicked Pilot · Post by **Wicked Pilot** » 2002-08-30 03:15pm

Oh yes, I failed to mention that I wouldn't be suprised if this desgin shows up on Enterprise in the near future.

starfury · Post by **starfury** » 2002-08-30 04:31pm

You would think that B&B could have designed some more Romulan capships during the Dominion war arc. Every week on DS9 and VOY the Federation got a new kit bash "ship o' the week." (most of which really sucked ass) Yet during all of TNG, DS9, and VOY they never designed a new Romulan ship. I have only one thing to say about this ship: It's about fucking time!

that is so true, the stupid federation has more ship classes then the entire fucking rest of the galaxy combined, there are some many you need a reference book just to find all their names.

Chris OFarrell · Post by **Chris OFarrell** » 2002-08-30 08:27pm

starfury wrote:
You would think that B&B could have designed some more Romulan capships during the Dominion war arc. Every week on DS9 and VOY the Federation got a new kit bash "ship o' the week." (most of which really sucked ass) Yet during all of TNG, DS9, and VOY they never designed a new Romulan ship. I have only one thing to say about this ship: It's about fucking time!
that is so true, the stupid federation has more ship classes then the entire fucking rest of the galaxy combined, there are some many you need a reference book just to find all their names.

Not realy. The ships used in the Dominon war generaly are:

Galaxy, Nebula, Akira, Excelesor, Miranda, Defiant, Sabre, Steamrunner. Throw in four or five kitbashes and thats about it.

Wicked Pilot · Post by **Wicked Pilot** » 2002-08-30 10:14pm

Chris O'Farrell wrote:Not realy. The ships used in the Dominon war generaly are:

Galaxy, Nebula, Akira, Excelesor, Miranda, Defiant, Sabre, Steamrunner. Throw in four or five kitbashes and thats about it.

Yes, but that is not quite the point I am trying to make. You see those ships mostly, but you also see others. Not often mind you, but they are there, and there are many of them. Some of them even play prominance in episodes, like Prometheus, Centaur, Equinox, etc. You don't however see a single new Romulan capship at all. The number of Klingon and Cardissian ships is also extremely limited. There is frankly no excuse for having all these piss poor Fed ships being pumped out every week, while the Romulans use the same capships for 3 series straight.

beyond hope · Post by **beyond hope** » 2002-08-30 11:20pm

To my knowledge the Galaxy class would represent the most powerful Federation ship until the Sovereigns are put in service, and the D'Deridex warbirds are supposed to have superior combat power to the Galaxy class. If you've already got a ship class that's superior, why put the resources into a new design when you can keep building the same proven one? I'm not sure what the time frame is supposed to be between "First Contact" and "Nemesis": If these new Romulan ships are common enough that the Reman battleship is tearing through several of them, it suggests the Romulans got a new class built pretty quickly once the Sovereigns started entering service. Alternatively, maybe they've been in service for a while not and just not seen.

Wicked Pilot · Post by **Wicked Pilot** » 2002-08-30 11:52pm

beyond hope wrote:If you've already got a ship class that's superior, why put the resources into a new design when you can keep building the same proven one?

When the U.S. built the Iowa and South Dakota class battleships during WWII, did they stop building cruisers, destroyers, destroyer escorts, patrol boats, etc? No. They still need ships for escort, recon, patrol, etc. Same goes for the Romulans.

Anarchist Bunny · Post by **Anarchist Bunny** » 2002-08-31 12:04am

Sothis wrote:I want one!!!

No seriously, where can I purchase one of those?

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I've heard that the Scimitar is supposed to be able to destroy these new warbirds in a single shot. So either the Scimitar is a badass, or the Valadore isn't as great as all the Romulan hype makes it to be

Slothis, I've already debunked this from the early script when you brought it up(I think it was you). The script has a paragraph saying that the ships are fighting for un undisclosed ammount of time til the scimitar uses a full barage to finish off the battle worn ship.

Antediluvian · Post by **Antediluvian** » 2002-08-31 07:38am

It's about time the Romulans had a new vessel.

I love the the Warbird but making it their only capship for so long is friggin ridiculous.

The Romulans can't be that stupid as to have only type of warship in their fleet.

Doomriser · Post by **Doomriser** » 2002-08-31 10:28am

About the new Romulan standard capship, I can't see a point to it. I am assuming it's about the size of a Warbird. So why build it? Why not fill in all the missing classes smaller than a Warbird? Anyway, the reason we never saw any of these before, I'm guessing, is that they were either designed as a counter to the Sovereign, as a warship for the Dominion war, or to fight the Borg. The class probably arrived in service just too late for the war, or was fighting the Borg, or was kept in secret [as the Romulans like to do.] Hell, it's very appearance to the Enterprise may have been ahead of schedule.

OTOH maybe for some reason these warships were operating with the unseen Reman forces in the Dominion War.

Cpt_Frank · Post by **Cpt_Frank** » 2002-08-31 10:32am

Well they could still have Birds of Prey in all variants to fill in the role of smaller ships. After all, the Bird o' is a Romulan design, isn't it?

CJvR · Post by **CJvR** » 2002-08-31 12:51pm

The monotony of the Romulan fleet might have reasons other than the cost of special effects.

Mass production of a standardized ship class would allow a state with a lesser industrial base to maintain a stronger military than a more diversified fleet. Maintenence requrements would be enormusly simplified with only one type of components needed to repair any ship. Training the crew and support personel would be much easier. By buliding large multi purpose ships you can build more of them, instead of one cruiser, one colony transport, one explorer and one freighter you build two multi purpose cruisers with limited capability in all areas, this would also help explain why despite their size the Romulan ships tend to preform rather poorly in combat.

IMPO though the Romulans main problem is not in the StarTrek universe but in our own. $$$$$!!!!!

Evil Jerk · Post by **Evil Jerk** » 2002-08-31 03:53pm

My problem with the D'deridex is that it was big, but hollow, like it's only real purpose was to use it's apparent size to intimidate.
I can't believe that the Romulans would use THAT kind of ship as their sole capship design when it's so impractical.

Dark Primus · Post by **Dark Primus** » 2002-08-31 04:12pm

Evil Jerk wrote:My problem with the D'deridex is that it was big, but hollow, like it's only real purpose was to use it's apparent size to intimidate.
I can't believe that the Romulans would use THAT kind of ship as their sole capship design when it's so impractical.

Agreed. Imagine when one or two Jem'Hadar attack ships rams the Warbird then it will be put out of action for some time. Better to have small escort ships comparable in combat like the Defiant to protect the much larger ships.

seanrobertson · Post by **seanrobertson** » 2002-08-31 04:54pm

theheap wrote:I think the ship looks pretty good overall. I plan on seeing the movie just to see how well the CGI is done

From everything I've seen and heard, including feedback from
someone who's seen a rough cut of the movie, the CGI should
be beautiful. Of course, I can't recall recent movies featuring BAD
CGI when depicting spaceships...it's only when you get to something
like "The Mummy," with live-action characters interacting with graphics,
that you really face a potential stink.

Anyway, I like the new Romulan ship, too. The Reman thing looks
a little odd, though--too much like a Nebulon-B frigate in the "beak."
I actually look forward to the movie since I loved TNG "back in the
day" but the whole Reman thing seems rather stupid to me.

starfury · Post by **starfury** » 2002-08-31 07:26pm

My problem with the D'deridex is that it was big, but hollow, like it's only real purpose was to use it's apparent size to intimidate.
I can't believe that the Romulans would use THAT kind of ship as their sole capship design when it's so impractical.

Right, they are far closer to luxury liners or stylish transports then heavy, well armed warships, underguned and undershielded for it's size.

beyond hope · Post by **beyond hope** » 2002-08-31 11:59pm

Size as an intimidation factor would be right in line with the way the Romulans think, as I understand it. The largely empty space of the hull would give it the appearance of being a massive ship without really requiring the resources to *build* one. I've also seen some (non-canon) speculation that the curved hull and the large open area in the center of the ship aid the cloaking effect. It would make sense to me, since most of the Romulans' tactics seem to be dictated by the cloaking device.

I have to agree that it would be nice to see the smaller classes of Romulan ships filled in. Aside from the Warbird, they've got that one scout ship that appears in a few episodes and the shuttle from DS9. Someone really needs to explain to the writers that current-day navies build more than just battleships for a *reason.* I think the "designed during the Dominion war" theory is probably right, since they took some substantial losses that would need replacement. When I think about it they're probably not designed as a direct response to the Sovereign class, but more likely are intented to address issues with their Warbirds that came to light while fighting the Dominion.

Tsyroc · Post by **Tsyroc** » 2002-09-01 11:06am

beyond hope wrote:Size as an intimidation factor would be right in line with the way the Romulans think, as I understand it. The largely empty space of the hull would give it the appearance of being a massive ship without really requiring the resources to *build* one. I've also seen some (non-canon) speculation that the curved hull and the large open area in the center of the ship aid the cloaking effect. It would make sense to me, since most of the Romulans' tactics seem to be dictated by the cloaking device.

I have to agree that it would be nice to see the smaller classes of Romulan ships filled in. Aside from the Warbird, they've got that one scout ship that appears in a few episodes and the shuttle from DS9. Someone really needs to explain to the writers that current-day navies build more than just battleships for a *reason.* I think the "designed during the Dominion war" theory is probably right, since they took some substantial losses that would need replacement. When I think about it they're probably not designed as a direct response to the Sovereign class, but more likely are intented to address issues with their Warbirds that came to light while fighting the Dominion.

I always thought they had that big open space in the middle in part because they powered the ship with an artificial singulairty. Now I have absolutely no evidence for this it was just what my mind came up with to explain all that empty space. Isn't that awful, I've watche so much sci-fi I'm filling in my own technobable on a subconscious level.

starfury · Post by **starfury** » 2002-09-01 04:13pm

I always thought they had that big open space in the middle in part because they powered the ship with an artificial singulairty. Now I have absolutely no evidence for this it was just what my mind came up with to explain all that empty space. Isn't that awful, I've watche so much sci-fi I'm filling in my own technobable on a subconscious level.

That was parmount's offical explantion for the power source of the warbird,
a quartum singulairty.

Master of Ossus · Post by **Master of Ossus** » 2002-09-01 04:17pm

I would have thought cruising the Galaxy with a black hole would be a good way to alert other starships of your presence. Even a cloaking device should not be able to mask gravitational fluctuations. Perhaps ST does not have the best gravitational sensors, or maybe they just don't look for discrepencies like that to take place.

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Scimitar class Warbird

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