Vader's Trial

HemlockGrey · Post by **HemlockGrey** » 2002-09-04 09:53pm

-eye droid-

Consider the defense retrained.

Isolder74 · Post by **Isolder74** » 2002-09-04 10:22pm

also we have security Holocams from Cloud City to substantiate the Conspieruosy charges.

Isolder74 · Post by **Isolder74** » 2002-09-05 04:15pm

and right now is just the opening statements. Where is the Defense's opening statement?

HemlockGrey · Post by **HemlockGrey** » 2002-09-05 05:08pm

The defense intends to prove the defendant innocent and/or unaccountable for all charges.

Furthermore, 'Murder' is too broad a charge. The defense requests the prosecution to elaborate; who has Lord Vader murdered, exactly?

Post by **Mr Bean** » 2002-09-05 05:13pm

I'll handel that

Mr Cyril the Prosecution holds that Mr Vadar cause the ceseasing of Sentience in a varity of persons from those under his command to Non-resisting Prisoners and innocent Bystanders plus the orderings of additonal killings, While it IS Legal in the Empire to excute officers under ones command it is ONLY legel after a the person in question has been charged and given a trial. Mr Vadar IGNORED this and killed over twenty people ON the Spot, Not even the Emperor himself(May he live forever!

) has the power and authority to do that.

HemlockGrey · Post by **HemlockGrey** » 2002-09-05 05:21pm

Irrelevant. The defense demands names and specific incidents.

HemlockGrey · Post by **HemlockGrey** » 2002-09-05 05:23pm

Elaboration: The defense demands names and incidents because, without them, it will be impossible to pursue the defense of our client.

Isolder74 · Post by **Isolder74** » 2002-09-05 05:37pm

1. The Emporer
2. Admiral Ozzel
3. Captian Needa
4. Captian Antilias
5. the entire Crew of the Tantive IV after thier "interrogation"

So far i can only document 5 counts of murder

Post by **Mr Bean** » 2002-09-05 05:45pm

Also two counts of Reckless Indangerment in regards to the freezing and Transportation of Mr Solo

A few minor charges also inculding reckless endagmerment of lives and Imperial Equipment for order the ships into the Astroid Field, The loss of numroius lives is on his hands along with violating a standing death warrent in both the case of Mr Dengar and IG-88

Isolder74 · Post by **Isolder74** » 2002-09-05 06:02pm

And through a full function Brain scan we have verified that Vader is perfectally Sane

HemlockGrey · Post by **HemlockGrey** » 2002-09-05 06:15pm

If you direct your attenion to Exhibit #36, you will notice a rather lengthy electronic dossier on Mr. Solo, documenting both his numerous exploits as a smuggler and his association with the Rebellion. As he had previously attacked and destroyed Imperial assets of his own free will, he was a traitor and an enemy combatant and Lord Vader would have been justified in executing him; freezing him is irrelevant as any death that would have resulted would simply have been the execution of Justice. Reckless endangerment in regards to transportation is an untrue charge; Boba Fett has a well-documented history(see exhibit #37) of bringing keeping his charges safe, alive, and sane.

Captain Antilles was, for years, an insurrection waiting to happen. Under his orders, the crew of the Tantive IV had resisted Imperial forces, made war on Imperial assets, and was transporting known Rebels. The crew, participating in these acts of treason of their own free will, was in open revolt against the Galatic Empire and were thus traitors and enemy combatants. Lord Vader was entirely justified in executing them

Admirals Ozzel and Needa were incompetant to the extreme. Their actions allowed the top rebel brass to escape unscathed from the base on Hoth. They impeded the execution of and perverted the course of Justice. Furthemore, Admiral Needa's Rebel sympathies are documented in Exhibit #38. Lord Vader was fully justified in perpetuating the removal of obstacles that stood in the way of Justice.

In regards to the asteroid field, Lord Vader was in the process of pursuing top Rebel officers who's capture could have expediated a quick end to the war. By doing so, Lord Vader would have saved far more lives than were lost in the asteroid field. The losses sustained by the Imperial force were minimal and easily replaced, especially when compared to the chance to take top members of the insurgency into custody. Vader was also justified in temporarily suspending the death warrant on Dengar and IG-88; both warrants had been issued by Imperial governers far below Lord Vader in terms of rank; furthermore, Lord Vader was employing these individuals in an attempt to pursue and capture rebel officers. The Rebels had engaged in major acts of terrorism and open battle against Imperial forces whilst Dengar and IG-88 were mere petty criminials. The effects of capturing the Rebel officers has already been noted and are more than enough to justify the temporary suspenion of the death warrants.

The defense will hold it's position on the alleged murder of Emperor Palpatine for a later date.

Post by **Mr Bean** » 2002-09-05 06:33pm

Object I have no docmunation on any Exibhit #38

HemlockGrey · Post by **HemlockGrey** » 2002-09-05 06:40pm

The Needa family was partial to the rebellion. If you will examine the holographic tapes, Needa's subtle sympathy for the rebels will become apparent; he does not make any attempt to pursue the Falcon once he loses it, he does not deploy the necessary craft to take the Falcon. A blood relative of his, serving on a Coruscant satillite, did nothing to stop a rebel operation that seized control of his vessel and deployed it against Imperial assets on Coruscant, further cementing the Needa family's prediliction for the Rebel cause.

Post by **Mr Bean** » 2002-09-05 06:56pm

Your Honor I'd like Exhibit #38 Striken from the Record ships records already showed that Captian Needa was NOT an Rebel symtheisr, If Mr Cyril would bother to examin the record he would find that they where in pursuit of a ship they belived to have a working Hyper-drive as it would only be logical for Solo to run when he had repaired it, Deploying TIE Fighters when you except the target to run to light speed is rediculius and MAY I point out they would have to drop venteral Shields to deploy the Fighters while STILL in a Astroid Field would certianly mean damage prehaps desctruction for the Ship he was on. And second what relance does Needa's Cousin have to do at all with Captian Needa? If you recall the relative in question was on board a REMOTE CONTROLED Orbiting Mirror

What did you purpose that Needa do? Eject out the nearest air-lock to upset the Rebels Temperments?

HemlockGrey · Post by **HemlockGrey** » 2002-09-05 07:04pm

He should have deployed as many TIE craft as humanly possible. Furthermore, the evidence shows that Solo did NOT jump to lightspeed. Needa should have pursued the possibility that Solo was fooling him, but he was not willing to go the extra mile in pursuit of rebel forces, because of his rebel sympathy.

Furthermore, Needa's cousin's memories verify that Needa did indeed have Rebel sympathies.

Post by **Mr Bean** » 2002-09-05 07:13pm

He should have deployed as many TIE craft as humanly possible. Furthermore, the evidence shows that Solo did NOT jump to lightspeed. Needa should have pursued the possibility that Solo was fooling him, but he was not willing to go the extra mile in pursuit of rebel forces, because of his rebel sympathy.

So you would rather him loose the entire ship just to launch some TIE Fighters which won't help him keep the ship intact?

Your Honor not only is the Defense assuming that every Star-Destroyer Captian needs to be all-knowing they are also OUT AND OUT LIEING!

Please Your Honor if you could turn your attention to page 337 of Wedge's Gamble And the section in question during the Novelisation as well, Exhibits 19 and 109 respectly
You'll see the Defense Shamlessly trying to subvert the truth on the matter

HemlockGrey · Post by **HemlockGrey** » 2002-09-05 07:16pm

Objection! Temporarily lowering the ventral shields would not have resulted in immediate destruction of the ship.

Furthermore, Wedge's Gamble deemphizes the Needa sympathies because it is a piece of Rebel propoganda, and the Rebels clearly wish to distance themselves from any connections to a member of Death's Head Squadron. Therefor, it must be assumed that the subtle reference to Needan sympathy is greatly underemphasized.

Post by **Mr Bean** » 2002-09-05 07:27pm

Objection! Temporarily lowering the ventral shields would not have resulted in immediate destruction of the ship.

Objection Very Idiotic Statment!
What pray tell do you think will happen IN AN ASTROID FIELD when one lowers a Shield on the side that COVERS THE REACTORS AND THE HANGERS!

Also keep in mind the Ship was in pursuit of Solo-Hardly ideal launching conditions more likley than not the TIEs would have run into the ship or a Rock would have done that for them not to mention the Defense fails to illstrate how the TIE's would help capture the ship in question as the only weapons TIE's mount are desgined to Destroy

Furthermore, Wedge's Gamble deemphizes the Needa sympathies because it is a piece of Rebel propoganda, and the Rebels clearly wish to distance themselves from any connections to a member of Death's Head Squadron. Therefor, it must be assumed that the subtle reference to Needan sympathy is greatly underemphasized.

Objection Contradiction: IF It IS Rebel Propoganda why would any Rebel Sympthelises be *underemphasized at all? Why not trump them up as loudly as possible and say look at poor Captian Needa, see what happend to his relatives after his moment of sacrfice(If thats what it was as the Defense Countiues to claim) then it would be as loud as possible as the Rebels ALWAYS take every exuse to show how "Evil" the Empire was

Furthermore See the Trial of Captian Horrask, Books and transcripts are not seen as *propagand by either side, simply a direction transcription of events with the inculsion of what-ever the people involved where thinking at the time

HemlockGrey · Post by **HemlockGrey** » 2002-09-05 07:34pm

The ship would not have been destroyed within a few seconds. The turbolasers not foused on the Falcon would have been perfectly capable of neutrilzing threatening asteroids.

Furthermore, TIE Fighters are capable of targeting specific sections of enemy craft...such as the engines.

Taking into account the Trial of Captain Horrask, it is still obvious that Needa's cousins thoughts underscore a sympathy for the rebellion.

Your Honor, the defense requests that a judicial decision be made before this trial continues.

Post by **Mr Bean** » 2002-09-05 08:18pm

The Prosecution agrees on that much with the defense, Your Honor is not remind to take a nap while the trial procedes

Second

Furthermore, TIE Fighters are capable of targeting specific sections of enemy craft...such as the engines.

Such as the Engines who exploded or Vent into the ship when damagd

Besides which Specfic targeting only applies when the ship in question is of the capital ship

NOT a fouteen meter long Frieghter with questionable defenses and shield strength not to mention the shear improbility of hiting the Falcon to being with, let alone tagging a non-critical sysem that will not kill the occupates somthing Vadar insited be avoided at all costs

In the mean time where is the Judge went we need a descision

Grand Admiral Thrawn · Post by **Grand Admiral Thrawn** » 2002-09-05 08:32pm

The objection of Captain Need is sustained. He is a Rebel Sympathizer.

The objection of Admiral Ozell is overruled. His "incompetant to the extreme" was not grounds for imediate execution.

The objection on Captain Solo is sustained. He was a known smuggler, and participated in the terrorist destruction of the Death Star, which resulted in the deaths of millions of Imperial officers.

tharkûn · Post by **tharkûn** » 2002-09-05 09:20pm

Side bar requested in reference to your sustination of the objection of Captain Needa. We ask for secondary review of said objection upon grounds that:
1. Captain Needa's actions can be attributed to incompotence or treason. As you yourself have just reaffirmed, incompotence is not warranting of capital punishment. The defense has asserted Needa's incompotence and as such Lord Vader has no grounds for summary execution.
2. In the event that Captain Needa's rebel sympathies, crime is commited by virtue of action, not personal ability. Capital punishment is awarded upon crime, not upon politcal persuasion. The defense has already granted that Captain Needa was acting out of incompotence therefore Lord Vader was not justified in summary execution.

Should the objection stand the prosecution moves to include a charge of gross negligence resulting in grosss death against Lord Vader.

If Captain Needa's actions lead to the destruction of the Death Star II, then Vader, as his commanding officer, is directly responsible for the actions of his subordinates. If Captain Needa was indeed a treasonous liability, it was Lord Vader's responsibility to remove him from command. Any results of a subordinates actions are the responsibility of the commanding officer.

HemlockGrey · Post by **HemlockGrey** » 2002-09-05 09:29pm

Objection! It is impossible to determine whether or not Captain Needa's actions lead to the destruction of the DS II and the defense refuses to debate probabilty when an innocent man's life hangs in the balance!

Furthermore, Lord Vader's execution of Captain Needa is justified because Needa's incompetence was a direct result of his treasonous sympathis.

tharkûn · Post by **tharkûn** » 2002-09-05 09:58pm

Your honor it is a question of fact, not of law where Captain Needa's actions lead. I would humbly remind your honor that discretionary dismissal is only permissible over questions of law, not of fact.

The prosecution shall prove that one ship, the Millenium Falcon, destroyed the Death Star II. The prosecution shall prove that said ship was instrumental in the destruction of the Death Star II. And the prosecution shall prove that the occupants of said ship were necessary to destroy the Death Star II. Had Lord Vader not acted with gross negligence untold numbers of lives would have been saved.

If Captain Needa has acted treasonously Lord Vader bears direct personal responsibility.

The treason or incompotence of Captain Needa is a question of fact. The defense submits his family's prediliction for Rebel sympathy as evidence to this fact. The prosecution can offer evidence to the contrary and can further show that such evidence is circumstantial as Lord Vader's own family exhibits an extreme prediliction toward rebel sympathy.

HemlockGrey · Post by **HemlockGrey** » 2002-09-05 10:01pm

Your Honor, is it not possible that, had the Falcon been destroyed, the Alliance may have simply used another ship to lead the assault?