Empire Adopting Federation Tech

Post by **NecronLord** » 2003-05-11 02:40pm

NDF becomes a popular meathod among Imperial 'special' agencies of disposal of evidence.

Eventually the likes of the Black Sun use it also.

Striderteen · Post by **Striderteen** » 2003-05-11 05:30pm

NecronLord wrote:NDF becomes a popular meathod among Imperial 'special' agencies of disposal of evidence.

Eventually the likes of the Black Sun use it also.

Disruptors can already do that, actually.

Kurgan · Post by **Kurgan** » 2003-05-11 05:49pm

Come to think of it, virtually every Trek special tech has eventually found its way into the EU literature, sooner or later.

Kurgan · Post by **Kurgan** » 2003-05-11 05:50pm

So in that case, the Dyson Sphere!

Kurgan · Post by **Kurgan** » 2003-05-11 05:50pm

Nm, technically its not "federation" tech.

Striderteen · Post by **Striderteen** » 2003-05-11 06:02pm

What would the Empire need a Dyson Sphere for?

The Dyson sphere (or Dyson shell) was originally proposed in 1959 by the astronomer Freeman Dyson in "Search for Artificial Stellar Sources of Infrared Radiation" in Science as a way for an advanced civilisation to utilise all of the energy radiated by their sun. It is an artificial sphere the size of an planetary orbit. The sphere would consist of a shell of solar collectors or habitats around the star, so that all (or at least a significant amount) energy will hit a receiving surface where it can be used. This would create a huge living space and gather enormous amounts of energy.

You don't need Dyson Spheres when you have power sources which are several orders of magnitude more powerful than a star and can build artificial planets at will.

Howedar · Post by **Howedar** » 2003-05-11 06:12pm

You orbit Coruscant inside, and then partition the Sphere so everyone has a backyard

Kurgan · Post by **Kurgan** » 2003-05-11 06:12pm

If living space is at a premium, it'd be nice to get out of Coruscant...

Solauren · Post by **Solauren** » 2003-05-11 10:08pm

I can actually see a couple of technologies from the Federation and Star Trek in general the Empire might want

Transporters
For cargo movement if the problems can not be ironed out
For personel movement if the problems can be ironed out. (Then again, the Empire might not care, keep the big hangers and just swap some shuttles for more fighter squads)

The Genesis Device
if it can be "perfected", then for terraforming. Otherwise, they have enough planet crushers/killers

Cloaking Shields
The more variants the better I feel, especially if they operate on different principals. Kind of like multiple layers of encryption and security levels on a computer. Provided that would work. That would be up to the Empire to figure out.

The Phase cloak MIGHT be useful it is can bypass shields. Only IF it can.

Holodecks
Hey, the fact they can kill would make them the perfect training facility for troopers. After all, you would never run out of holo-troopers. If you can't kill a computer simulation, the Empire doesn't need you.

Plus, if the "fail safes" are on, they would make great command boarding training tools. i.e "we scanned the enemy installation, have a basic layout, so here it is, learn your way around, you go down in 3 hours" Sure, maps are useful, but so would that be (think practicing a video game level 5+ times)

Multi-Phasic Tractor Beams (non-Federation, or quasi-Federation)
Yeah, I know a little far fetched, but imagine IF the Empire could move stars in addition to blowing them up. Then the Emperor could truely remake the galaxy in his image. A Star Destroyer (hell, the AoTC troop transports) produce more power then the Enterprise, and have better shields, so moving a star fragment with a tractorbeam like that would be nothing. With enough power, moving stars wouldn't be a problem.

Either that, or just use it to move hyperspace obstacles out of the way, or into the way if they wanted to. Just a possiblity

Plus, I'm sure some of the Borg's technology could be useful (mainly the transwarp network, there regeneration technology, and maybe nanoprobes)

Drooling Iguana · Post by **Drooling Iguana** » 2003-05-13 07:07am

Well, of course the warp drive is out of the question, since it's inferior even to the basic emergency propulsion systems on a YT-1300 freighter (i.e. the drive Han used to fly from Hoth to Anoat to Besbin without a hyperdrive.)

Phasers would be useless, as any half-decent ship's computer or astromech droid would be able to adapt a ship's shields to completely neutralize them before they'd even fired.

Holodecks are too prone to failure, and besides, we've had hologram technology for centuries.

We already have cloaking devices and tractor beams superior to anything in that galaxy far, far away.

Transporters might have some uses, but are also too prone to failure, and so easy to jam that they'd be virtually useless in a combat situation.

So, I guess, if I could take one thing from the Federation, it would be their single most valuble resource: green skinned Orion girls!

Solauren · Post by **Solauren** » 2003-05-13 12:38pm

There are different levels of holgraphic technology. I haven't seen anything in Star wars that suggets the level of Star Trek's holography.

I admit, I could be wrong. But just because a hologram can sing to you, doesn't mean it could be programmed to kick the crap out of you. If Star Wars has that kind of holographic technology, they won't need Holodecks, if not, hey, useful military training tech.

The only tractor beam I was thinking of is the one the Enterprise used once to change the course of a stellar core fragment. NEver heard of the Empire doing that.

Green-skinned Orion Slave girls? Isn't a twie'lk girl basically an improved model?

Grand Admiral Thrawn · Post by **Grand Admiral Thrawn** » 2003-05-13 04:51pm

Please tell me why a "technobabble" tractor beam could haul a star when a regular one can't?

Solauren · Post by **Solauren** » 2003-05-13 09:41pm

Grand Admiral Thrawn wrote:Please tell me why a "technobabble" tractor beam could haul a star when a regular one can't?

No idea.

All I know is the tractor beam I am thinking of let Enteprise-D change the "course" or heading or direction, or whatever you call a free-floating object's path in space, of a stellar core fragment (I'm guessing heavy material left over from a supernova or something. Whatever it was, it was big and had alot of gravity and mass) by 1 - 2 degrees (something like 1.2) after about 1 - 2 minutes of trying.

I'm just saying if Imperial tractor beams CAN't do that, 'multi-phasic' tractor beams would be useful for that. Any maybe for moving other stuff, like stuff that would interfer with a hyperjump.

Just a thought

The Silence and I · Post by **The Silence and I** » 2003-05-14 06:52pm

I would take phaser tech. Even if it cannot hurt any shielded vessel as it stands, the technology is somehow far more efficient than turbolasers. So, if you spend the time to augment the technology until you can pump normal power levels through the emitters you would have a vicious weapon against just about any target. Frequencies would not be such a problem because shields appear to lack that ability, so cancelling out the phaser frequencies would be unrealistic to say the least.

Smaller banks would be great anti-fighter weapons (going by the movies, anything would be an improvement) and larger banks would allow smaller ships to mount weapons just as lethal as larger ships=cool

Solauren · Post by **Solauren** » 2003-05-14 07:11pm

That's provided Phasers can reach that level of firepower.

YOu have to remember, in the first "29th century temporal affairs" on Voyager, the timeship was not using phasers. It was using a "sub-atomic disrupter"

Just a thought

Darth Servo · Post by **Darth Servo** » 2003-05-14 07:23pm

Solauren wrote:All I know is the tractor beam I am thinking of let Enteprise-D change the "course" or heading or direction, or whatever you call a free-floating object's path in space, of a stellar core fragment (I'm guessing heavy material left over from a supernova or something. Whatever it was, it was big and had alot of gravity and mass) by 1 - 2 degrees (something like 1.2) after about 1 - 2 minutes of trying.

I'm just saying if Imperial tractor beams CAN't do that, 'multi-phasic' tractor beams would be useful for that. Any maybe for moving other stuff, like stuff that would interfer with a hyperjump.

Changing the direction of any object in space required a sum total of ZERO energy input to the object. If an imperial tractor beam can pull a starship into its hanger, it can move a stellar core fragment. The only question is "how quickly can it be done"

Shortie · Post by **Shortie** » 2003-05-14 07:26pm

Drooling Iguana wrote:Well, of course the warp drive is out of the question, since it's inferior even to the basic emergency propulsion systems on a YT-1300 freighter (i.e. the drive Han used to fly from Hoth to Anoat to Besbin without a hyperdrive.)

Speed isn't everything. the ability to go FTL in a grav well is nice, and there are times when being slow is actually a good thing. Since hyperdrives don't appear to be able to slow right down they're a bit clumsy for tactical manouvres. As others have said, you can build thim into the hull rather than on nacelles, to reduce vulnerability. Sure that reduces max speed, but you've got hyper for that.

Phasers would be useless, as any half-decent ship's computer or astromech droid would be able to adapt a ship's shields to completely neutralize them before they'd even fired.

Really? I don't remember SW shields ever doing technobabble tricks like that, and you can always use random frequency-hopping. And again, as others have said, arrays do have advantages over turrets in some circumstances.

We already have cloaking devices and tractor beams superior to anything in that galaxy far, far away.

Mmm. The SW cloak is certainly more complete, but the ST one has some advantages. You'd probably only get a couple of uses before it's easily counterered, but that couple could be good.

Transporters might have some uses, but are also too prone to failure, and so easy to jam that they'd be virtually useless in a combat situation.

I dunno, there are various tricks that are hard to jam, like using it to drop mines in the path of fighters, or torps right next to an enemy ship, or rapidly deploy droids or drone fighters. I wouldn't use it on humans though myself. It's possible that you could port explosives in through gaps in shields, perhaps through a fighter acting as a relay.

IIRC no-one's mentioned Trek shields yet, AFAIK they can be deformed, set to hull-hugging and focussed at one locatino more easily than Wars ones, suggesting that they might make a good back-up for normal Wars ones, to cover gaps while recharging.

Darth Servo · Post by **Darth Servo** » 2003-05-14 08:02pm

Shortie wrote:Speed isn't everything.

Tell that to professional fighter pilots. The ability to get to the target without the enemy being able to intercept you en route is one of the best ways to achieve victory.

the ability to go FTL in a grav well is nice

Since SW STL drives can escape a grav well in seconds, not really.

and there are times when being slow is actually a good thing. Since hyperdrives don't appear to be able to slow right down they're a bit clumsy for tactical manouvres.

Watch ROTJ. The Rebel fleet comes out of hyperspace within visual range of the DS. In the ANH novelization, the Falcon comes out of hyperspace one planetary diameter from where Alderaan should have been.

As others have said, you can build thim into the hull rather than on nacelles, to reduce vulnerability. Sure that reduces max speed, but you've got hyper for that.

Insignificant since warp maneuvering is almost never seen on the show.

Phasers would be useless, as any half-decent ship's computer or astromech droid would be able to adapt a ship's shields to completely neutralize them before they'd even fired.
Really? I don't remember SW shields ever doing technobabble tricks like that, and you can always use random frequency-hopping.

Against brute force SW shields, frequency hopping is worthless. It only works agains ships with a frequency vulnerability like Trek ships.

Mmm. The SW cloak is certainly more complete, but the ST one has some advantages. You'd probably only get a couple of uses before it's easily counterered, but that couple could be good.

A drop in the bucket in the SW galaxy.

Transporters might have some uses, but are also too prone to failure, and so easy to jam that they'd be virtually useless in a combat situation.
I dunno, there are various tricks that are hard to jam, like using it to drop mines in the path of fighters, or torps right next to an enemy ship, or rapidly deploy droids or drone fighters. I wouldn't use it on humans though myself. It's possible that you could port explosives in through gaps in shields, perhaps through a fighter acting as a relay.

See just how EASY transporters are to jam. Your mine/torp idea would be rendered useless by a wide area jaming field like the DS or SD can produce.

As for mining an area, the transportation process takes too long for it to be a reliable tactic. A fighter would fly around/shoot the shimmering area before the bomb fully materializes. Did the Defiant even use transporters to mine the wormhole in DS9?

Lastly, WHAT shield gaps?

IIRC no-one's mentioned Trek shields yet, AFAIK they can be deformed, set to hull-hugging and focussed at one locatino more easily than Wars ones, suggesting that they might make a good back-up for normal Wars ones, to cover gaps while recharging.

And how long do you think SW shields NEED to recharge?

Shortie · Post by **Shortie** » 2003-05-15 07:05am

Darth Servo wrote: Tell that to professional fighter pilots. The ability to get to the target without the enemy being able to intercept you en route is one of the best ways to achieve victory.

Sure, and I'm not sugesting that you replace the hyperdrive (though I will point out that it can be intercepted). I'm saying it's nice to have a choice. I'm sure a pilot would prefer a F22 to a F35 in combat, but a F22 which could perform VTOL without any penalty would be really nice.

Since SW STL drives can escape a grav well in seconds, not really.
Watch ROTJ. The Rebel fleet comes out of hyperspace within visual range of the DS. In the ANH novelization, the Falcon comes out of hyperspace one planetary diameter from where Alderaan should have been.

OTOH, it seemed to take a little but meaningful period of time for the Rebels to get up close and personl with the ISDs at Endor, and the Thrawn Pincer was specifically designed to allow controlled tactical manouvring, rather than having to choose based on information before you leave.

Insignificant since warp maneuvering is almost never seen on the show.

Fair point, but logically it should be possible.

Against brute force SW shields, frequency hopping is worthless. It only works agains ships with a frequency vulnerability like Trek ships.

I didn't mean to access vulnerabilities, it was in reply to Drooling Iguana saying that Wars shields could adapt to phasers, which I took to mean frequency.

A drop in the bucket in the SW galaxy.

Tell that to Thrawn.

]See just how EASY transporters are to jam. Your mine/torp idea would be rendered useless by a wide area jaming field like the DS or SD can produce.

Mmm. Certainly the DS, I'm not so sure about an ISD, never mind smaller forces. Again it's someting you do if possible, and given I'm only suggesting drones and weapons, it's no big loss if it fails. Transporters aren't very big, so why not?

As for mining an area, the transportation process takes too long for it to be a reliable tactic. A fighter would fly around/shoot the shimmering area before the bomb fully materializes. Did the Defiant even use transporters to mine the wormhole in DS9?

Sorry, I didn't mean mines as such, more like proximity charges, right behind a fighter or two, both to screw up their formation and to try and kill them.

Lastly, WHAT shield gaps?

And how long do you think SW shields NEED to recharge?

AFAIK Wars shields are solid while up, but a particular area can be targeted and brought down, allowing you to shoot through it. OTOH, Trek shields allow a portion of the damage through, but can be focussed on a point, and the whole thing has to be brought down before any point is unprotected.
Given that any gap for any length of time is a bad thing, using Trek shields to cover them might not be a bad idea (powerd by Wars generators of course). If a Mon Cal can hold two sets of normal shield generators it should be doable.

Jawawithagun · Post by **Jawawithagun** » 2003-05-15 07:23am

Treknobabble sensors ... no need for a census or material probes, just run the sensors from orbit and you know how many people of which species are currently on the planet and what's their distinct genetic markup.

Darth Servo · Post by **Darth Servo** » 2003-05-15 12:15pm

Shortie wrote:Sure, and I'm not sugesting that you replace the hyperdrive (though I will point out that it can be intercepted).

They can only be intercepted if something like an interdictor just happens to be in the flight path. IOW, you need to know the flight plan before the ship even leaves or get lucky.

I'm saying it's nice to have a choice. I'm sure a pilot would prefer a F22 to a F35 in combat, but a F22 which could perform VTOL without any penalty would be really nice.

And SW ships can already VTOL and escape a planetary gravity well in seconds from the ground with their STL drives. I've yet to see one advantage of adding warp drives to SW ships.

OTOH, it seemed to take a little but meaningful period of time for the Rebels to get up close and personl with the ISDs at Endor,

It took less than a minute. And the imperial ships were waiting for the rebels to get within the jamming/interdiction field before revealing their presence.

and the Thrawn Pincer was specifically designed to allow controlled tactical manouvring, rather than having to choose based on information before you leave.

Which pretty much torpedos your argument. If SW ships already have such maneuvering abilities, what would they gain from warp drive?

Insignificant since warp maneuvering is almost never seen on the show.
Fair point, but logically it should be possible.

Should be possible? What is your logic defending that conclusion? If its never used in combat, there must be a reason it isn't used, and no, "to increase the drama of the show" is not a reason once you suspend disbelief.

I didn't mean to access vulnerabilities, it was in reply to Drooling Iguana saying that Wars shields could adapt to phasers, which I took to mean frequency.

Nothing in SW works on frequency. AFAIK its all brute force. "Adapting" in SW means simply "make more effective against" considering the known chain reaction nature of phasers and the number of things that jam them (almost as many as jam transporters)

A drop in the bucket in the SW galaxy.
Tell that to Thrawn.

Thrawn was a one-of-a-kind genius who could find almost any weakness in an enemy. His tactics wouldn't happen with your average garden varity imperial skirmish.

Your mine/torp idea would be rendered useless by a wide area jaming field like the DS or SD can produce.
Mmm. Certainly the DS, I'm not so sure about an ISD,

A transporter can be screwed up by tractor beams, low levels of seemingly harmless radiation, certain types of unusual particles, etc. We KNOW an ISD has tractor beams and puts out all kinds of shit just from its own exhaust. The logical conclusion is that a transporter would be rendered useless any where near an ISD without the ISD even doing anything beyond standard operation procedure.

Sorry, I didn't mean mines as such, more like proximity charges, right behind a fighter or two, both to screw up their formation and to try and kill them.

Look at the fact that Obi-wan's starfighter was able to evade the enormous blasts from Slave-1's seismic charges. Any SW fighter would be out of the blast range before the explosive finished materializing.

AFAIK Wars shields are solid while up, but a particular area can be targeted and brought down, allowing you to shoot through it. OTOH, Trek shields allow a portion of the damage through, but can be focussed on a point, and the whole thing has to be brought down before any point is unprotected.

IF SW ships has shields covering parts of the ship, they would already be doing this tactic with their OWN shields. And since you admit that Trek shields always let some damage through, the addition of that shield would not offer any more protection than simply installing another SW shield as backup.

Shortie · Post by **Shortie** » 2003-05-15 04:08pm

Darth Servo wrote:They can only be intercepted if something like an interdictor just happens to be in the flight path. IOW, you need to know the flight plan before the ship even leaves or get lucky.

You're the one who said it was uninterceptable. And in tactical combat it can be more of a hindrance, preventing you from leaving at will.

And SW ships can already VTOL and escape a planetary gravity well in seconds from the ground with their STL drives. I've yet to see one advantage of adding warp drives to SW ships.

The VTOL bit was just comparing it to modern fighters, not suggesting that warp would give a SW ship that. The advantage is that you can go FTL as soon as you lift off the ground, you don't need to dodge ISD (or whatever) in orbit, and that you can't be interdicted, and you can manouvre really fast in combat.

It took less than a minute. And the imperial ships were waiting for the rebels to get within the jamming/interdiction field before revealing their presence.

A minute in which they were being shot at. By a superlaser. Not a good thing.

Which pretty much torpedos your argument. If SW ships already have such maneuvering abilities, what would they gain from warp drive?

Because it's still somewhat limited, and you need an Interdictor along.

Should be possible? What is your logic defending that conclusion? If its never used in combat, there must be a reason it isn't used, and no, "to increase the drama of the show" is not a reason once you suspend disbelief.

It has been done on occasion (Picard manouvre), so I can say that the problem is poor tactical ability.

Nothing in SW works on frequency. AFAIK its all brute force. "Adapting" in SW means simply "make more effective against" considering the known chain reaction nature of phasers and the number of things that jam them (almost as many as jam transporters)

That's what I thought, my answer was only in case some hack author has brought it into the EU.

Thrawn was a one-of-a-kind genius who could find almost any weakness in an enemy. His tactics wouldn't happen with your average garden varity imperial skirmish.

I dunno. Everyone now knows that a cunning plan with tech unknown to your enemies can give them a hell of a shock, and there are a number of very centralised and valuable locations around (Coruscant, various shipyards).

A transporter can be screwed up by tractor beams, low levels of seemingly harmless radiation, certain types of unusual particles, etc. We KNOW an ISD has tractor beams and puts out all kinds of shit just from its own exhaust. The logical conclusion is that a transporter would be rendered useless any where near an ISD without the ISD even doing anything beyond standard operation procedure.

I dunno. Behind it and in the path of any tractor beams they're putting out. Not quite the same as anywhere near it.

Look at the fact that Obi-wan's starfighter was able to evade the enormous blasts from Slave-1's seismic charges. Any SW fighter would be out of the blast range before the explosive finished materializing.

Sure if they're charging along at max and you aim it where tehy are now. Aim ahead, use it to box them in, distract them... It's an additional point-defence weapon, which takes up very little space, doesn't have to be exposed on the outside of the hull. and can be used for various other tasks. How is it a bad thing to have along?

IF SW ships has shields covering parts of the ship, they would already be doing this tactic with their OWN shields.

Eh? Can they focus them or use them to cover gaps? If not then what are you saying here?

And since you admit that Trek shields always let some damage through, the addition of that shield would not offer any more protection than simply installing another SW shield as backup.

Assuming they take up the same amount of space, yes. If not, then no.

Darth Servo · Post by **Darth Servo** » 2003-05-15 05:30pm

1) When did I ever say it was impossible to intercept a SW ship.

2) The only tactical advantage of "leaving at will" is when you know you've already lost the battle.

3) Warp drive IS hindered by gravity wells. In BOBW, they droped out of warp at the edge of the solar system and in 'Relics' the E-D was pulled out of warp by the Dyson sphere. Therefore, an Interdictor cruiser would probably be just as effective against Warp drive as it is against hyperdrive.

4) Warp maneuvering is NEVER used in fleet actions. The Picard Maneuver was successful exactly ONCE. The second time it was tried, a counter measure was devised ON THE SPOT. Warp drive is clearly NOT tactically useful.

5) The rebel fleet was NOT being shot at by the DS while they were closing in on the DS. The DS didn't fire until the Rebels were surrounded by the Imperials.

6) Your idea of trying to "transport something where the ship will be at the end of the beaming process" has already been answered in the useless of mining an area response. In case you forgot, the transporter has an OBVIOUS VISUAL CUE to give the fighter pilot SEVERAL SECONDS of warning BEFORE the bomb can even detonate.

7) You obviously didn't bother reading through the link I gave you about things that can stop a transporter. Mild solar flares can block a transporter. X-Rays can block a transporter. Electrical storms can block a transporter. A simple electrical transformer can block a transporter. Weak magnetic fields can block a transporter. Why do you keep babbeling about the usefulness of the transporter when its the EASIEST THING IN THE UNIVERSE TO BLOCK?!?

Shortie · Post by **Shortie** » 2003-05-15 06:48pm

Darth Servo wrote:1) When did I ever say it was impossible to intercept a SW ship.

You said "The ability to get to the target without the enemy being able to intercept you en route is one of the best ways to achieve victory.", which seemed to imply it.

2) The only tactical advantage of "leaving at will" is when you know you've already lost the battle.

Not actually true, they might be fighting a delaying action to prevent you from being somewhere more important. Anyway, what's wrong with minimising your losses?

3) Warp drive IS hindered by gravity wells. In BOBW, they droped out of warp at the edge of the solar system and in 'Relics' the E-D was pulled out of warp by the Dyson sphere. Therefore, an Interdictor cruiser would probably be just as effective against Warp drive as it is against hyperdrive.

Hmm. Darth Wong gives examples like that, but OTOH I'd swear we've seen them dip in and out of warp practically in atmosphere, or damn close to a star, so I'm not sure. The worry is that I might be thinking of TOS and Bab5, and if modern warp drives do consistently go tits-up in a grav well then it becomes significantly less useful (though not useless).

4) Warp maneuvering is NEVER used in fleet actions. The Picard Maneuver was successful exactly ONCE. The second time it was tried, a counter measure was devised ON THE SPOT. Warp drive is clearly NOT tactically useful.

The counter was to that dumbass sensor thing wasn't it? It had nothing to do with the actual movement. And how is FTL movement from one place on a battlefield to another not useful?

5) The rebel fleet was NOT being shot at by the DS while they were closing in on the DS. The DS didn't fire until the Rebels were surrounded by the Imperials.

LANDO : (desperately) Yes! I said closer! Move as close as you can and engage those Star Destroyers at point- blank range.
ACKBAR : At that close range, we won't last long against those Star Destroyers.
LANDO : We'll last longer then we will against that Death Star...and we might just take a few of them with us.
Off some random script site.

6) Your idea of trying to "transport something where the ship will be at the end of the beaming process" has already been answered in the useless of mining an area response. In case you forgot, the transporter has an OBVIOUS VISUAL CUE to give the fighter pilot SEVERAL SECONDS of warning BEFORE the bomb can even detonate.

Yeah, because you can only beam one thing at a time. And you can't beam a torpedo. And you can't use it to be a distraction or to screw up their formation, or an attack run. Honestly, before you accuse me of ignoring your points you might answer mine.

7) You obviously didn't bother reading through the link I gave you about things that can stop a transporter. Mild solar flares can block a transporter. X-Rays can block a transporter. Electrical storms can block a transporter. A simple electrical transformer can block a transporter. Weak magnetic fields can block a transporter. Why do you keep babbeling about the usefulness of the transporter when its the EASIEST THING IN THE UNIVERSE TO BLOCK?!?

Yes, yes, yes, I believe you're a Warsie, I believe you ritually spit upon copies of Voyager scripts. Calm now? While there are indeed a thousnd times when they screw up, tere are a thousand more times when they work fine. As long as you're not relying on them, or risking any crew, why not use them to give an extra edge if possible?

Keevan_Colton · Post by **Keevan_Colton** » 2003-05-15 09:34pm

Shortie wrote: LANDO : (desperately) Yes! I said closer! Move as close as you can and engage those Star Destroyers at point- blank range.
ACKBAR : At that close range, we won't last long against those Star Destroyers.
LANDO : We'll last longer then we will against that Death Star...and we might just take a few of them with us.
Off some random script site.

So?
They were already surrounded by the imperial fleet, it was there to keep them from running...it wasnt directly engaging them however...it was part of the emperors show to try and turn Luke to the Dark Side....