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What's the verdict on the USS Prometheus' design?

Poll ended at 2002-09-12 03:21pm

It kicks ass. The multi-vectral attack mode is the only sensible course of action and should be incorporated in every new SF design.
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It looks pretty, and the effects are solid. I don't care much beyond that.
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It's okay, I guess. Looks much like any other Star Trek ship.
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This is one of the most stupid designs in the history of Trek, and makes zero sense.
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Eleas wrote:
SirNitram wrote:The fact it employs some armour, heavier shields, and apparantly an assload of firepower, as well as being very maneuverable(By comparison to another Trek ship it's bulk), says that as far as Trek ships go, it's gonna ream some asses.

But against Wars it's just another target.
Problem is that, while the ship's parts are joined together, several phaser strips are actually obscured.
That's so they can keep on fighting as pieces of the ship bet blown away. :twisted:

I forget, did two sections have warp engines when seperated or just the one?
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Multi Vector Assault? How about just adding decent fighters to their ships?

That would give them their multiple vectors without the overly complicated crap.
But that would go against every Federation engineer's long standing tradition of complicated solutions to simple problems. :)
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Multi Vector Assault? How about just adding decent fighters to their ships?

That would give them their multiple vectors without the overly complicated crap.
But that would go against every Federation engineer's long standing tradition of complicated solutions to simple problems. :)
lol. I was rather suprised to actually see Feddie fighters on DS9. It just seemed wrong somehow. :)
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Tsyroc wrote: That's so they can keep on fighting as pieces of the ship bet blown away. :twisted:
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I forget, did two sections have warp engines when seperated or just the one?
I'm uncertain, but I believe all could fight at Warp.
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I forget, did two sections have warp engines when seperated or just the one?


I'm uncertain, but I believe all could fight at Warp.
Yes, they all have warp engines.
Which brings up the possibility that they all have warp cores, which means that when the ship is together, it has three warp cores.
3 times the chance of blowing up if the paint is scratched, then..
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Multi-vector assault mode is a moronic idea.
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2000AD wrote:Is this something GK's made up or has it been in an actual episode of Trek?




Did you read the link? It had screenshots.
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That's why it can split up then. If one Warp core explodes the other parts will split off and then their warp cores will explode making the resulting explosion look more impressive.
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2000AD wrote:That's why it can split up then. If one Warp core explodes the other parts will split off and then their warp cores will explode making the resulting explosion look more impressive.
lol
So nice of them to provide such pretty fireworks for loyal members of the Empire.
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Nonsense. Pure and simple. And through and through.

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Having a swarm of fighters would be best for a true "multiple-vector" attack, but even the base principle of the Prometheus (one ship becomes three, which then attack under computer coordination) is idiotic. Can't one simply duplicate such a tactic with a formation of three normal ships and the same coordination software? What about jamming or computer failures (which seem all to common in Trek)? The Prometheus is like a reverse Voltron without the "coolness" factor.
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Its Trek's attempt at Getta Robo :x Boy did they screw it up.
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With the multivector attack, why not just build three smaller ships? That way you can customize your task groups, sending two ships to one place if only two are needed, while saving the other ship. Or you can split them up, or group them together. Plus they can be retrofitted seperately, and if one part of the ship is destroyed the others need not be screwed while a replacement is built. They can keep fighting.
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Very stupid idea, and an ineffective one. A big fighter bay with armored hanger doors would have made far more sense and been much more effective.
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SirNitram wrote:The fact it employs some armour, heavier shields, and apparantly an assload of firepower, as well as being very maneuverable(By comparison to another Trek ship it's bulk), says that as far as Trek ships go, it's gonna ream some asses.

But against Wars it's just another target.
And all three parts have warp drive. Which means 3 Picard Manuvers, 3 dead ships that pegged a LTL.
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You know what I find really sad about the Promie?

THe Trekkies have since come back saying that it was just a test vehicle (true) and that the following changes were made (these are all untrue)

It was scaled up to 500+ meters
It lost the multi vector things, but kept the 3 warp cores, giving it uberweapons
It carries fighters now

I have also seen a few more additions (defiant style cloaking shiled, double weave phasers ignore shields etc) but those are always there.
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Ender wrote:You know what I find really sad about the Promie?

THe Trekkies have since come back saying that it was just a test vehicle (true) and that the following changes were made (these are all untrue)

It was scaled up to 500+ meters
It lost the multi vector things, but kept the 3 warp cores, giving it uberweapons
It carries fighters now

I have also seen a few more additions (defiant style cloaking shiled, double weave phasers ignore shields etc) but those are always there.
Ah yes, the traditional "When all else fails, make things up" tactic.
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Evil Jerk wrote:
Ender wrote:You know what I find really sad about the Promie?

THe Trekkies have since come back saying that it was just a test vehicle (true) and that the following changes were made (these are all untrue)

It was scaled up to 500+ meters
It lost the multi vector things, but kept the 3 warp cores, giving it uberweapons
It carries fighters now

I have also seen a few more additions (defiant style cloaking shiled, double weave phasers ignore shields etc) but those are always there.
Ah yes, the traditional "When all else fails, make things up" tactic.
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Evil Jerk wrote:
I forget, did two sections have warp engines when seperated or just the one?


I'm uncertain, but I believe all could fight at Warp.
Yes, they all have warp engines.
Which brings up the possibility that they all have warp cores, which means that when the ship is together, it has three warp cores.
3 times the chance of blowing up if the paint is scratched, then..

:twisted: That's exactly what I was thinking.
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I can actually picture the design team that worked on this brainstorm. Two drunken old farts (the federations GREATEST geniuses :roll: ) sitting at the bar thinking 'outside the box' to revolutionize starfleet.

'come on Frank, iss gotta revolutonerize warfare... gimme beer'

'hey I got it!!! let's build a ship that falls apart BEFORE the fight, and save all that hassle' 'man i'm drunk'

And of course, starfleet would love it
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Ender wrote:You know what I find really sad about the Promie?

THe Trekkies have since come back saying that it was just a test vehicle (true) and that the following changes were made (these are all untrue)

It was scaled up to 500+ meters
It lost the multi vector things, but kept the 3 warp cores, giving it uberweapons
It carries fighters now

I have also seen a few more additions (defiant style cloaking shiled, double weave phasers ignore shields etc) but those are always there.
Wow....where did you hear that and who made that up? I haven't even heard something like that.
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Amazing how they're reduced to making things up out of thin air ...
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The ship that gave "Break and attack" a new meaning.

Visualy I like the combined Prometheus, if the Fed was ever to build a true warship, rather than the Defiant style short range gunships it should look something like the Prometheus.

For a ST ship it is very powerful indeed, crippeling a Nebula, destroying a D'derix and surviving an attack by two Defiants without even losing it's shields.

As for the MVAM - no! that was idiotic, and the parts look stupid as well. The only reason for it would be to achive higher warp speeds by minimizing the warp field size without losing the higher manoverability of smaller ships. When you dogfight with ST barges manoverability isn't a bad thing to have.
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