Imps Vs. Trek with a twist

Alyeska · Post by **Alyeska** » 2002-09-13 08:29pm

Additionally it was an older yards fitted to build smaller ship classes. With the introduction of ships like the Ambassador or New Orleans, the Sanfansico Yards were likely shut down. That and the McKinely station is a repair station, not a shipyards.

Evil Jerk · Post by **Evil Jerk** » 2002-09-13 08:30pm

Alyeska wrote:
Evil Jerk wrote:
Alyeska wrote: Undoubtably. I was just adressing the issue that the Federation does not have any canon known shipyards in orbit around Earth, and that the DS9 TM only pegs Earth as building and repair minor ships (Miranda, etc...)
What about McKinley Station/San Fran Shipyards?
Last known ship to be built there was the Enterprise-A.

However, the Enterprise-D goes there for maintenance and it uses a drydock used to build Galaxys.
I do not think McKinley is solely used for maintenance, as that's what Earth Starbase is for.

Alyeska · Post by **Alyeska** » 2002-09-13 08:35pm

Evil Jerk wrote:However, the Enterprise-D goes there for maintenance and it uses a drydock used to build Galaxys.
I do not think McKinley is solely used for maintenance, as that's what Earth Starbase is for.

Do you have any canon evidence any ships are built at McKinely? As to the Earth Starbase, do you think they rebuilt it? The one in the movies is far to small to accept a Galaxy class ship. Given the complete lack of reference to the SF yards and the fact it was around back when smaller Miranda and Constitution class ships were built, they likely never upgraded it and thats why we don't hear about it in later trek. That is the only rational reason I can think of for not seeing any spacestations in Orbit around earth, the fact they have relaitvely few (Spacedock, McKinely repair facilities, etc...)

Darth Yoshi · Post by **Darth Yoshi** » 2002-09-14 12:54am

Taking out Earth isn't just a morale blow. It's a major morale blow, and drives home how ridiculously powerful the Empire is. Think about it. You drop out of warp, and find a cold lifeless ball of smooth rock where Earth once was. I'd be scared of someone that could do that too.

Jim Raynor · Post by **Jim Raynor** » 2002-09-14 02:10am

TheDarkling wrote:They had a SF databank (which we dont know where they got it from).

This was less than a year after the little War remember so they hadnt had time to study everything, they also state they think the database is full of lies thus they assume the Borg may be allies.

The feds could still win a war without Earth - Earth is over rated it would be mostly a morale thing.

8472 must be a bunch of pussy dumbasses. They're able to reconstruct San Francisco down to all the individual people based on the SF databank, but they don't know that those nanobots aren't standard SF weaponry? That's like knowing every last bum living in D.C. by name and thinking that USAF fighters shoot megaton-level lasers. And even if those nanobots were widespread, so what? SF ships would be able to kill 8472s, but 8472s weaponry is also easily capable of killing SF ships. Isn't that the way it is in real life war? Not to mention their planet-busting tech. 8472 must have a really deluded idea of warfare if they think that they can't fight unless things are 100% in their favor.

Straha · Post by **Straha** » 2002-09-14 01:25pm

Evil Jerk wrote:
The kelvans are intergalactic beings capable of crossing the galaxies in under 300 years, and having a shield that can break through a galactic "barrier."
Also highly vunerable to deception, plus we never really know if they did come or not.

What do you meen did come or not?? They came, they saw , they took, they got tricked, and colonized in our galaxy.

The talosians optical illusions could cause signifigant confusion aboard imperial ships, with the changing of headings, optical views, and sensor readouts.
Sith + Death Star around Talos IV = End of problem

Correct me if i'm wrong but aren't there only two sith, and if there was no sith and just the death star, how would they fire it if they couldn't see the controls?

The First Federation could help the Federation as their ship run by one person was enormus for star trek standards. And it took all the power and more than what the enterprise had to break away from it's SHUTTLE's tractor beam.
More powerful than the E-Nil, sure. More powerful than an ISD...

The two Cheronians are still alive persumably, and others could be infered to be the same. And their impressive, for the UFP, technology (or psi abilites) could help at least a little.
Last we saw of them they were fighting in the style that destroyed their people.
I'd say they're dead.

Level six Phaser fire did little but stun the Hunters, and they had their own personal shields.
Uh.. are these the guys who hunted Tosk? No big deal really.

And the Vaadwaur have the ability to travel at over twenty million times the speed of light.
On predefined tunnels, and all they have is 900 year old ships (which still kicked Voyagers ass though )

Yes but doesn't matter where they get exactly as long as they get nearby.

Also the Sikarians are pretty far advanced that they only want to solve boredom. This technology boost, combined with their transporter which can teleport things 40,000 light years away.

All iof theese things pretty much negate the Imp's speed advantage, and would only leave them behind in weaponry and shielding.

TheDarkling · Post by **TheDarkling** » 2002-09-14 02:59pm

What about the race that made Barclay a super master mind - jhe boosted shield strweght and created a d3evice that allowed for near instant travel from point to point.

Having them on side would hepl the Feds alot.

Post by **NecronLord** » 2002-09-14 03:26pm

can they ressurect the

Iconians?
T'Kon?
Dyson Sphere Builders?

Alyeska · Post by **Alyeska** » 2002-09-14 03:27pm

NecronLord wrote:can they ressurect the

Iconians?
T'Kon?
Dyson Sphere Builders?

The T'Kon would be the most value combat wise, the Dyson Sphere builders would be the most value industry wise.

Post by **NecronLord** » 2002-09-14 04:34pm

I disagree, a properly used Iconian Portal would kick ISD arse. Quantum torp next to the power regulator on every reactor = dead ISD's. Argh I'm becoming a trekkie!!!

TheDarkling · Post by **TheDarkling** » 2002-09-14 04:39pm

Welcome Mwhahahahahhahahhaha

It would hammer on them thats for sure but those Dyson SPhere builders could easily out produce the empire.

The Voth can transport ships so if they have big replicator (not hole ships but good portions of them) tech, well ship building wouldnt take long.

Post by **NecronLord** » 2002-09-14 04:47pm

V'jur post ascension as well.

Post by **NecronLord** » 2002-09-14 04:48pm

sorry, that should have been pre, before it counted as a god

TheDarkling · Post by **TheDarkling** » 2002-09-14 05:09pm

V'ger has already knocked off the SW universe anyway.

He had a picture of Vader (or somene in a Vader style suit) in his memory bank so he probably already sorted the Empire/NR out.

Not to mention he killed the Miss Piggy.

Kamakazie Sith · Post by **Kamakazie Sith** » 2002-09-14 06:43pm

TheDarkling wrote:V'ger has already knocked off the SW universe anyway.

He had a picture of Vader (or somene in a Vader style suit) in his memory bank so he probably already sorted the Empire/NR out.

Not to mention he killed the Miss Piggy.

LOL no.......

Are you serious?

TheDarkling · Post by **TheDarkling** » 2002-09-14 06:54pm

Am I serious about what? there is a pic of Vader inside V'ger (as well as Miss Piggy) but Im not saying that means the Feds dont need to beat the Imps htat part was a joke.

Also figure this one out (someone posted it on SB a while back I think).

ET is in EP 1 right?
ET in ET The Movie sees a Yoda doll and says "home" (or so Im told).
So this shows that ET does come from the SW galaxy.

Yet we have a problem since both ET The Movie and the SW movies are in the same Verse how can Elliot (thats the kids name right havent seen the film in years) have a Yoda doll.

Am I just rambling? Yes... Yes I am.

Evil Jerk · Post by **Evil Jerk** » 2002-09-14 08:11pm

Do you have any canon evidence any ships are built at McKinely?

Not that I remember, but the fact that they have the special Galaxy frames used for the construction of that class at least hints it.
But it may be just a maintenance yard as you say.

As to the Earth Starbase, do you think they rebuilt it? The one in the movies is far to small to accept a Galaxy class ship.

No, but it can accomodate Excelsiors, and Excelsiors still make up a large part of Starfleet.

Given the complete lack of reference to the SF yards and the fact it was around back when smaller Miranda and Constitution class ships were built, they likely never upgraded it and thats why we don't hear about it in later trek.

I had always assumed SF shipyards became McKinley, but I'm probably wrong.

What do you meen did come or not?? They came, they saw , they took, they got tricked, and colonized in our galaxy.

Not really, the advance force is what came, but the Kelvans were still waiting or on their way.

Correct me if i'm wrong but aren't there only two sith, and if there was no sith and just the death star, how would they fire it if they couldn't see the controls?

Hey, if Star Trek gets all these big shots including the Talosians, then Star Wars should at least have one Sith.

Yes but doesn't matter where they get exactly as long as they get nearby.

That's the point, they'd never be able to get nearby to where those tunnels don't go, and any idiot would soon work out the limits of their range.

Also the Sikarians are pretty far advanced that they only want to solve boredom. This technology boost, combined with their transporter which can teleport things 40,000 light years away.

Who are these again?

What about the race that made Barclay a super master mind - jhe boosted shield strweght and created a d3evice that allowed for near instant travel from point to point.

Having them on side would hepl the Feds alot.

Aren't those guys too godlike? They're eerie floating heads!

The T'Kon would be the most value combat wise,

But.. they fell due to one star system going nova..
So, at the risk of sounding like a rabid Warsie.. a Suncrusher takes them out of the running.

the Dyson Sphere builders would be the most value industry wise.

Yeah but where are they! What's been done with the Dyson Sphere!
Why haven't great discoveries been made from it! Why haven't they come back for it! Why do Trek writers make these cool things and forget about them! Why why why???

The Voth can transport ships so if they have big replicator (not hole ships but good portions of them) tech, well ship building wouldnt take long.

Meh. Take out their city-ships, stuck-up lizards and their potential production go bye bye.

(okay I'm biased, the Voth.. irritate me. Dinosaurs smarter than us, ha. They're extinct, we're not, so we're smarter)

Yet we have a problem since both ET The Movie and the SW movies are in the same Verse how can Elliot (thats the kids name right havent seen the film in years) have a Yoda doll.

Fool! Has it not dawned on you yet?
The Star Wars movies are actual historical accounts of what happened a long time ago in a galaxy far, far away!
We know about Yoda and make dolls about him, but he is real!
Real I tell you! REAL! REAL!![/hysterically crazy mode]

TheDarkling · Post by **TheDarkling** » 2002-09-14 08:17pm

I dont think they were God like I just think that was a hologram.

Hey what about that race the Ent crew helped "Evolve" (yes I know) hmm they arent really God like..... not really.

Straha · Post by **Straha** » 2002-09-14 10:52pm

I would define any one who can make something REAL (sorry talosians) with the wave of a hand are god like.

People who have to use technology are not god like except in special circumstances, where he technology makes totally weird and super powerful things (the dyson sphere makers are border line this, however since they ran off I would make them un god-like)

Any one else is just plain normal.

Post by **NecronLord** » 2002-09-15 07:55am

But what's a quantum torpedo being being portaled into the cockpit of the suncrusher going to do to it? or the engines, or the missile rack?

TheDarkling · Post by **TheDarkling** » 2002-09-15 08:55am

No you just send some a photon grenade to knock everyone out then send SF personel to take cntrol.

Post by **NecronLord** » 2002-09-15 09:26am

I see you've seen that ep of SG1 too then;

Bra'tac; now this is a grenade

opens door and rolls through, everyone in hanger bay falls on the floor

Xg74 · Post by **Xg74** » 2002-09-16 09:36pm

Can't there be an unlimited number of "darkjedi" but only 2 sith?

Ender · Post by **Ender** » 2002-09-16 09:58pm

TheDarkling wrote:It would hammer on them thats for sure but those Dyson SPhere builders could easily out produce the empire.

Without knowing how long that took to build, how do you figure that? They could have built the thing overnight, or a few miles a century. Since we don't know, claiming industrial capacity to aid the Feddies is iffy.

I have no doubt they could help out in the way of resources (assuming the sphere didn't dry them out), but the ability to rapidly turn those raw resources into ships I question.

TheDarkling · Post by **TheDarkling** » 2002-09-16 10:03pm

The fact that they just upped and left it says something - theres no way that if it had taken a uhge amount of time they would have just left (it was a huge amount of land - 10,000's of planets right?) so it would seem that when they left there they simply biult another somewhere else - instead of trying to stabilise the star.

They also had to build enough ships to transport their population from the sphere t whereever they went - that would be a honkin' big fleet.