[i]Slave One[/i] vs. Borg tactical cube

[Master of Ossus]

You are correct, no one knows everything about the Falcon, but you are incorrect in saying that this is in any way responsible for the break-downs that the ship had during ESB. It has difficulty cold-starting its reactors, and its heavily modified hyperdrive has broken down once, but was easily repaired with proper tools. Where are the reliability problems? It has never, to my knowledge, broken down in the EU even once. You are assuming that because it broke down once it must be unreliable, but this is flawed thinking because your sample-size is so ridiculously small.

[SirNitram]

I dont think the Borg would try an all out invasion, unless they thought they could do it with ease, from what has been seen, the Borg would find some small out of the way planet and build a small base assimilating what comes nearby, slowly they would spread, figure out a way to get reinforcemants from home etc. Then the invasion would come, hitting each system one at a time.

On the Tac. Cube vs. Slave 1 I say the Tac Cube, the average Cube kicks ass, no question, but they are all purpose vessels, imagine one designed purely to fight.

Tac Cube? The one with slabs of armour? Fire a missile between the armour plates. Boom.

[Grand Admiral Thrawn]

Fett drops a semetic charge and runs.

Borg follow.

Borg hit charge.

Borg go boom.

[seanrobertson]

The Tac cube can only fire one weapon at a time. Thats how feeble it is.

? So can the Death Star, and she is a fair sight from weak Heh.

And I actually think the tactical cube we saw fired several beams
at once, at least in part two of "The Matri.."...err, I mean, "Unimatrix Zero."

Incorrect. The DS can fire massive numbers of turbolasers simultaneously. The fact that it only has a single main weapon restricts its firing rate, however Borg cubes have many weapons, only a fraction of which can be engaging targets. This severely limits the number of targets that a cube can engage simultaneously. The DS has no such restriction, except when firing at targets requiring its superlaser to destroy.

Awee, come on. You know what I meant: the DS can only fire her
most powerful weapon once at a time. The same isn't true for a tactical cube, though her weapons are far weaker than what the DS
carries.

[Darth Wong]

Awee, come on. You know what I meant: the DS can only fire her most powerful weapon once at a time. The same isn't true for a tactical cube, though her weapons are far weaker than what the DS
carries.

Have we ever seen a tactical cube fire on more than one target at a time? I don't think those things are capable of multiple simultaneous target tracking. I wouldn't be surprised, given their collective structure.

Anyway, the comparison to the Death Star is facetious. If a Borg cube can't fire its weapons at more than one target simultaneously, it runs into a tactical deficiency when facing large numbers of opponents (unless they take turns attacking in small groups, the way the Feds did at Wolf 359). If the Death Star can't fire its superlaser at more than one target simultaneously, it still has tens of thousands of high-powered surface guns with which to grind whole fleets into dust.

[seanrobertson]

Awee, come on. You know what I meant: the DS can only fire her most powerful weapon once at a time. The same isn't true for a tactical cube, though her weapons are far weaker than what the DS
carries.

Have we ever seen a tactical cube fire on more than one target at a time? I don't think those things are capable of multiple simultaneous target tracking. I wouldn't be surprised, given their collective structure.

Anyway, the comparison to the Death Star is facetious. If a Borg cube can't fire its weapons at more than one target simultaneously, it runs into a tactical deficiency when facing large numbers of opponents (unless they take turns attacking in small groups, the way the Feds did at Wolf 359). If the Death Star can't fire its superlaser at more than one target simultaneously, it still has tens of thousands of high-powered surface guns with which to grind whole fleets into dust.

Yes.

I do think we see the tactical cube fire at VGR and that rogue
sphere simultaneously. For obvious reasons I'd rather not check
the film but I will for you guys. I'll brave the horror

And definitely, the Death Star comparison was tongue-in-cheek.
I was largley responding to the idea that because a ship fires
one weapon at a time, it must be "feeble." That's silly logic. I don't agree, though, obviously, the DS is a very imperfect counter-analogy. Maybe a better one would've been...I dunno...the Lexx?

[Darth Wong]

I do think we see the tactical cube fire at VGR and that rogue sphere simultaneously. For obvious reasons I'd rather not check the film but I will for you guys. I'll brave the horror

Much suffering you will undergo, young one.

And definitely, the Death Star comparison was tongue-in-cheek. I was largley responding to the idea that because a ship fires one weapon at a time, it must be "feeble." That's silly logic. I don't agree, though, obviously, the DS is a very imperfect counter-analogy. Maybe a better one would've been...I dunno...the Lexx?

Right. And while the term "feeble" may have been overstating the point, perhaps "tactically ineffective" might have been better. The LEXX is actually a fine example of the problems inherent in a single-targeting warship; it has been repeatedly attacked and boarded in large part because it lacks any weapon besides its primary. Similarly, Borg cubes do not perform well against swarming attacks, as we saw in STFC. So while the term "feeble" may be strictly inaccurate, it is fair to say that if a ship can only target one enemy vessel at a time, it will be in an extremely poor position against the "swarm of bees" attack style.

[NecronLord]

I happen to like the word Feeble, I have actually examined every borg ep, never once does ANY borg ship fire more than one weapon simultaneously, even against multiple adversaries.

[Robert Walper]

You know, if the Borg could assimilate some character shields, Voyager class, perhaps even the Empire would fall before them...

[Coyote]

Hookey-Dookey...

...Or Hokey Dooku?

Anyway, it breaks down like this.

Fett sees the cube, figures, "Okay, a new player in town." Is Han captured by this new player? Or being helped? He'll simply approach and see what happens in contact-- perhaps come aboard, peaceful-like, and get Han through manipulation/fear/bargaining...

But wait! What's this funky little speech? *I dunno 'bout this 'assimilation' thing* Fett figures, *Definitely not a good idea*. They only rule he has to follow is "NO disintegrations!" A body's as good as a credit, but too bad 'bout the Leia hottie.

Fett kicks the Slave-I around and delivers a quick strafe across the face of the cube, narrowly dodging that tractor-beam attempt. The Borg expected this (considering Han is familiar with the tactics of Fett and are now familiar with the 'blasters' of this new universe. They are as perturbed as drones can be to discover that these 'blasters' do not work on a 'frequency', and so there is nothing to do but just try for strong shield output and attempt to diffuse the power of these weapons as much as possible. Because the Borg have realized just how far away they are from home, and if they start now, they MAY get these sometime in the next eleventy skillion years.

The Borg are not yet able to reproduce the Falcon's blasters; nor have they kitted out the YT-1300 Super Modified with a complete assimilation upgrade yet, so launching it as a drone fighter is not yet an option. In fact, the partial assimilation of thre Falcon seems to have assimilated a number of odd power outages and fluxes that can only be fixed by an oddly instinctive (and most illogical) pounding on various consoles, making the fight with Fett more difficult.

Fett scoots away, into the nearby asteroid field since these things seem to serve him well. A handful of seismic charges has the Collective pretty much shitting rubber nickels as they are pounded into scrap by these damn frequency-less rocks. The cube, battered and suffering from the Falcon's assimilated idiosynchrasies, moves sluggishly from the asteroid field as Fett heels around to carve a few chunks off with his chin-mounted turbolasers. This provocation is too much for the Collective, which has prioritized the assimilation and usage of the Falcon's quad guns. They fling some fire back at Fett but the ever-maneuverable Slave-I evades this amateurish fire.

The Collective scores a coup when they finally lock onto the Slave-I with their tractor beam. But they can't burn through the shields, which seems oddly powerful for a ship that size! And that clever Fett, a bit unnerved by this whole thing but still cool, allows the tractor beam to suck up a couple more seismic charges. This puts the tractor beam down, and Fett radios a message of his own: "Release Solo and I'll let you live." The Borg respond that this is irrelevent and tell Fett to prepare for assimilation.

Fett, smirking beneath his helmet, busts off a few more cannon shots and decides that a smoking corpselike Solo is better than no Solo at all, simply continues to alternate between balster fire and delivering explosives to the cube. A few of the Falcon/Cube's (increasingly accurate) shots give Fett a tumble, but he recovers and continues his hack job until the Collective is a gutted mass with a few drones. As the ship itself becomes a lifeless hulk, Fett boards and uses the Slave-I as a scanner and fire-support platform by remote. He easily dispatches the bumbling idiot drones, although he is a bit perturbed at the extensive cyber-ization of Chewbacca who, while kind of an obnoxious furball, was once a decent opponent.

Fett finds Han and subdues him, figuring that the bizarre kitchen appliances grafted to his body might be worth a bonus from Lord Vader if a new technology has been discovered. Solo goes catatonic at being seperated from something called a 'collective'. Fett kicks aside a pesky creature that calls itself a "Queen" and plants charges aboard the cube, blowing into helpless but still examinable chunks as he prepares to leave. He takes the larger chunks and secures them to an asteroid and marks the position in his navicomp in case the Imperial scientists want to see more-- for a price, of course.

Han, alive but no longer himself, serves as great bait for Luke and later as a particularly fascinating object d'arte for Jabba, allowing the continuum to continue in a slightly modified form...

My take on the situation.