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I was always under the impression that capitalism (US version) was stronger than communism (USSR version) in an economic sense. The US was able to outproduce the USSR because of capitalism. That allowed for a greater budget and, which Reagan used to build up the militar faster than the USSR could. Soviet military technology (while not as fancy looking as the US) was almost equal with that of the United States. In fact, in the 60's the soviets had an advantage with their ICBM's over the US. I don't think installing a capitalist system would necessarily ensure that the military equipment is at "top form". Capitalism would provide other advantages though, so it is the best system ultimately.Darth Yoshi wrote:If I were president, I would introduce a nifty concept called, "capitalism." Using "capitalism," I would hand out military contracts to private corporations, ensuring that the final product is in top form. Then I'd evict the civs off of Starfleet, and if the crew resist, they shall be court-martialed, and I will make sure they never work for the Federation again. I'll also begin training ground troops, for the inevitable ground combat. Lastly, I will establish a New Order, and bring stability to the Alpha Quadrant.
i'd scrap all the many useless ship designs, and concentrate on warship designs and further refining the Defiant class, and thing crapper than Ambassador class would be de-comissioned. Have a wee work with the Klingons and intergrate them as part of the fleet. Send an asassin to kill Dukatt, re-evaluate starfleet accademy to make sure less pacifist morons graduate. open an orion slave girl brothel next to my office, and sack the Admirality and replace them with Klingons.
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Ok here's Cpt_Frank's plan for the ultimate supressive interplanetary government:
Remove Democracy and turn the UFP into the Terran Empire of which I become the Holy Immortal God Emperor, damn the previous Federation history and depict it as the bad government of the past, replaced by the new shiny good empire.
Concentrate all efforts on building masses of warships and developing new weapons technology, crush the Klingons, subjugate the Romulans, defeat the Cardassians and obliterate the Borg threat.
The subjugated races will be seamlessly integrated into society within short time.(except for the Borg, they must be eradicated)
After 300 years of my benevolent rule the process of building up the Terran Empire will be finished.
The ships of the new combat fleet will look like naval combat vessels of the first half of the 20th century with some strange-looking stuff added, there will be lumbering space dreadnought battleships with enough firepower to obliterate a planet, more agile yet also more vulnerable battlecruisers which also feature faster FTL drives, cruisers with enough firepower to slag a planet patrolling every system in overwhelming numbers, fast and agile destroyers and frigates, and of course the vaunted C-Boats, small craft equipped with phase cloaks that can attack while cloaked yet are only capable of very low FTL speeds in this state, their main weapon are high-yield torpedos which are useless for planetary bombardment yet ideal for anti-ship use because they feature a directed charge.
The planets will all be strip mined to fuel the ever hungry war-machinery,
the large orbital refineries, factories and shipyards.
The base of the state would be a classic capitalist society similar to the one present in northern America and Europe at the turn of the century, with a large relatively poor working class from which masses of recruits for the meat grinders can be drafted.
(basically that's the concept of my original sci-fi universe)
Remove Democracy and turn the UFP into the Terran Empire of which I become the Holy Immortal God Emperor, damn the previous Federation history and depict it as the bad government of the past, replaced by the new shiny good empire.
Concentrate all efforts on building masses of warships and developing new weapons technology, crush the Klingons, subjugate the Romulans, defeat the Cardassians and obliterate the Borg threat.
The subjugated races will be seamlessly integrated into society within short time.(except for the Borg, they must be eradicated)
After 300 years of my benevolent rule the process of building up the Terran Empire will be finished.
The ships of the new combat fleet will look like naval combat vessels of the first half of the 20th century with some strange-looking stuff added, there will be lumbering space dreadnought battleships with enough firepower to obliterate a planet, more agile yet also more vulnerable battlecruisers which also feature faster FTL drives, cruisers with enough firepower to slag a planet patrolling every system in overwhelming numbers, fast and agile destroyers and frigates, and of course the vaunted C-Boats, small craft equipped with phase cloaks that can attack while cloaked yet are only capable of very low FTL speeds in this state, their main weapon are high-yield torpedos which are useless for planetary bombardment yet ideal for anti-ship use because they feature a directed charge.
The planets will all be strip mined to fuel the ever hungry war-machinery,
the large orbital refineries, factories and shipyards.
The base of the state would be a classic capitalist society similar to the one present in northern America and Europe at the turn of the century, with a large relatively poor working class from which masses of recruits for the meat grinders can be drafted.
(basically that's the concept of my original sci-fi universe)
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IN the 1960's Russian ICBM's where inferior in all respects to the weapons deployed by the United States. Russia has not had anything like technological parity since the 1940's, and even then America had a massive electronics advantage.Commander LeoRo wrote:I was always under the impression that capitalism (US version) was stronger than communism (USSR version) in an economic sense. The US was able to outproduce the USSR because of capitalism. That allowed for a greater budget and, which Reagan used to build up the militar faster than the USSR could. Soviet military technology (while not as fancy looking as the US) was almost equal with that of the United States. In fact, in the 60's the soviets had an advantage with their ICBM's over the US. I don't think installing a capitalist system would necessarily ensure that the military equipment is at "top form". Capitalism would provide other advantages though, so it is the best system ultimately.Darth Yoshi wrote:If I were president, I would introduce a nifty concept called, "capitalism." Using "capitalism," I would hand out military contracts to private corporations, ensuring that the final product is in top form. Then I'd evict the civs off of Starfleet, and if the crew resist, they shall be court-martialed, and I will make sure they never work for the Federation again. I'll also begin training ground troops, for the inevitable ground combat. Lastly, I will establish a New Order, and bring stability to the Alpha Quadrant.
"This cult of special forces is as sensible as to form a Royal Corps of Tree Climbers and say that no soldier who does not wear its green hat with a bunch of oak leaves stuck in it should be expected to climb a tree"
— Field Marshal William Slim 1956
— Field Marshal William Slim 1956
I would invade the Cardassians... sorry, annex them
And actually try to make peace with the Dominion before the war starts.
And actually try to make peace with the Dominion before the war starts.
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If I were the Fed President, my first order would be for Starfleet to establish a Court-Martial for 'Admiral' Janeway.
Next would be the reestabilshment of the Death Penalty. Naturally this would apply to Janeway if she is found guilty. Section 31 would be rounded up and put on public trial as well.
Then would come the revisions in educational materials and standards throughout the Federation. There would also be changes in Starfleet policies, missions, and training. All of the touchy-feely B&B Roddenberrian pseudo-Communist policies would be consigned to the dustbin.
Finally after a decade of the New Order™, the expansion to encompass the entire AQ would begin.
Next would be the reestabilshment of the Death Penalty. Naturally this would apply to Janeway if she is found guilty. Section 31 would be rounded up and put on public trial as well.
Then would come the revisions in educational materials and standards throughout the Federation. There would also be changes in Starfleet policies, missions, and training. All of the touchy-feely B&B Roddenberrian pseudo-Communist policies would be consigned to the dustbin.
Finally after a decade of the New Order™, the expansion to encompass the entire AQ would begin.
"You say that it is your custom to burn widows. Very well. We also have a custom: when men burn a woman alive, we tie a rope around their necks and we hang them. Build your funeral pyre; beside it, my carpenters will build a gallows. You may follow your custom. And then we will follow ours."- General Sir Charles Napier
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First I would have all of Star Fleets safety records gone over by the department of justice and then charge the guilty partys of treason claiming they were underming9ing Fed strength by submitting crappy ship and warp core designs.Next revamp the education system crreate the Federation Landfleet ((or Army but still)) .Next only allow peeps with Engineering degress to be allowed to design new ship components and institue a long testing period for there work ,Start with holodeck simulatrions course have the deck deserted and monitoerd after iys turned on .then you build a mopdel and go from there Lastly assign Janeway to the holographic dilithium mine
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I AM BACK! let the SCIENCE commence!
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Black Mage,
I AM BACK! let the SCIENCE commence!
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How abouthvb wrote:Darth Valdemar suggested that Acclamator was designing a "Federation Star Destroyer"
So my question is this: What designation should it be given:
1) Federal Star Destroyer
2) Federation-class Star Destoyer
3) some third class name, to avoid the Imperator/Imperial discussion
Terran-Class Star Destroyer
Vulcanus-Class Star Destroyer
Presidentia-Class Star Destroyer
Hapan Battle Dragons Rule!
When you want peace prepare for war! --Confusious
That was disapointing ..Should we show this Federation how to build a ship so we may have worthy foes? Typhonis 1
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That was disapointing ..Should we show this Federation how to build a ship so we may have worthy foes? Typhonis 1
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More fucking powerful by then anything else in the alpha and beta quadrant-class ultimate heavy combat battleship.hvb wrote:Darth Valdemar suggested that Acclamator was designing a "Federation Star Destroyer"
So my question is this: What designation should it be given:
1) Federal Star Destroyer
2) Federation-class Star Destoyer
3) some third class name, to avoid the Imperator/Imperial discussion
"This cult of special forces is as sensible as to form a Royal Corps of Tree Climbers and say that no soldier who does not wear its green hat with a bunch of oak leaves stuck in it should be expected to climb a tree"
— Field Marshal William Slim 1956
— Field Marshal William Slim 1956
As another example, the Luftwaffe got to play with both the MiG-29 (the WARPAC model, not the monkey models that went to the Middle East) and the F-4F. They praised it's maneuverability but didn't like it's range or radar (the APG-65 was much superior).Sea Skimmer wrote:IN the 1960's Russian ICBM's where inferior in all respects to the weapons deployed by the United States. Russia has not had anything like technological parity since the 1940's, and even then America had a massive electronics advantage.Commander LeoRo wrote:I was always under the impression that capitalism (US version) was stronger than communism (USSR version) in an economic sense. The US was able to outproduce the USSR because of capitalism. That allowed for a greater budget and, which Reagan used to build up the militar faster than the USSR could. Soviet military technology (while not as fancy looking as the US) was almost equal with that of the United States. In fact, in the 60's the soviets had an advantage with their ICBM's over the US. I don't think installing a capitalist system would necessarily ensure that the military equipment is at "top form". Capitalism would provide other advantages though, so it is the best system ultimately.Darth Yoshi wrote:If I were president, I would introduce a nifty concept called, "capitalism." Using "capitalism," I would hand out military contracts to private corporations, ensuring that the final product is in top form. Then I'd evict the civs off of Starfleet, and if the crew resist, they shall be court-martialed, and I will make sure they never work for the Federation again. I'll also begin training ground troops, for the inevitable ground combat. Lastly, I will establish a New Order, and bring stability to the Alpha Quadrant.
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What about the feared MIG-25? The one that had vacume tubes instead of solid state electronics. The one that was suppost to be able to intercept a SR-71 but really couldn't. BTW if it tried to intercept a SR-71 it would fall apart doing it but it had the thrust to do it.
Hapan Battle Dragons Rule!
When you want peace prepare for war! --Confusious
That was disapointing ..Should we show this Federation how to build a ship so we may have worthy foes? Typhonis 1
The Prince of The Writer's Guild|HAB Spacewolf Tank General| God Bless America!
When you want peace prepare for war! --Confusious
That was disapointing ..Should we show this Federation how to build a ship so we may have worthy foes? Typhonis 1
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They did not. During the 1960s the United States had a crushing advantage in strategic forces, one that was destroyed in Kennedy's shift to an emphasis in conventional warfare.Commander LeoRo wrote:Soviet technology was certainly not as fancy looking, but it was comparable. They did have an advantage in the 60's with their ballistic missile forces. They did not press their advantage though. The Soviets also launched the first artificial Satellite, Sputnik.
Soviet ICBMs were liquid-fueled monstrosities that required something on the order of 24-30 hours to prepare for launch. American missiles had a much quicker reaction time and more accurate reentry vehicles. We also had a lot more of them.
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I'll try to keep this to the politics. It's not easy, blowing this up is much more fun.
Begin an incentive system, moving towards real capitalism. The Feds don't even have money; this is going to take time. Reinstate junk food.
In the meantime, use the pseudo-communist government to my advantage. Show that the Dominion is as much a threat to peace as the Borg, and the council will fall in line behind me. Even if they don't, I can still say I'm acting in humanity's best interests and in the name of peace. Wait, are there other aliens in the UFP ?
Anyway, put the scientists on dedicated science ships and militarize the fleet. A science fleet of about, oh, a dozen Soyuz class ships ought to do nicely .
Pardon Ben Maxwell, point out that his actions might have presaged THIS war, and place him in command of the fleet on the Cardassian border. Make DS9 the staging area for the fleet. Promote Ben Sisko to another job on Bajor. He's a good officer, but he's an administrator, not a fleet officer like Maxwell. He can be the new Fed ambassador to the Bajorans.
Begin an incentive system, moving towards real capitalism. The Feds don't even have money; this is going to take time. Reinstate junk food.
In the meantime, use the pseudo-communist government to my advantage. Show that the Dominion is as much a threat to peace as the Borg, and the council will fall in line behind me. Even if they don't, I can still say I'm acting in humanity's best interests and in the name of peace. Wait, are there other aliens in the UFP ?
Anyway, put the scientists on dedicated science ships and militarize the fleet. A science fleet of about, oh, a dozen Soyuz class ships ought to do nicely .
Pardon Ben Maxwell, point out that his actions might have presaged THIS war, and place him in command of the fleet on the Cardassian border. Make DS9 the staging area for the fleet. Promote Ben Sisko to another job on Bajor. He's a good officer, but he's an administrator, not a fleet officer like Maxwell. He can be the new Fed ambassador to the Bajorans.
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