Creative control- serious discussion only please

Mr. B · Post by **Mr. B** » 2002-07-22 06:58pm

Howedar wrote: I would have liked to see the story arc continued with the Goa'uld-like bug things that infiltrated the Admiralty, but its too damn late for that.

This happened in one crappy TNG episode.

Asst. Asst. Lt. Cmdr. Smi · Post by **Asst. Asst. Lt. Cmdr. Smi** » 2002-07-22 08:18pm

I'd eliminate technobabble, increase the budget for the show, do new plots instead of the soap-opera stuff, be more consistent, stop the "brain bugs", and put more action in.

John Clark · Post by **John Clark** » 2002-07-22 09:37pm

Scrap Enterprise. Boneless & Brainless have taken what could have been a good show and utterly gang-raped it. Filthy bastards.

I agree -- let it sit, 5 to 10 years. Then bring back Trek, but from the point of view of a band of heartless, merry criminals who eventually end up taking on assignments, maybe for Section 31, doing the sort of good deeds that never go unpunished.

Darth Yoshi · Post by **Darth Yoshi** » 2002-07-22 09:46pm

I'd introduce [dramatic music] an army[/dramatic music]! Then, Voyager turns out to be a bad dream some dude had about his ex (Janeway or something). It'll take place after TNG, and technobabble will be reduced to healthy levels, like in TOS. The series will focus more on police work, civie life, and the fringe of society. Finally, we bring back men like Harry Mudd!

John Clark · Post by **John Clark** » 2002-07-22 09:54pm

I would begin one new series, the first episode I would go some that what like this: Space... A damaged constitution battle refit the earth of methods. While it flies beyond our point of view, we see the enterprise of words Ncc-1701a USS painted on it. Ponticello... To speak about Uhura: "captain, receaving a message from Baddecision admiral, once again congradulating we for or the succeeded excessive Khittomer, but still that he insists that we must put the ship in drydock in order disarming... Captain " Vaschette of the camera over to the chair of the captain in order slowly finding addormentato Kirk, wide awake Kirk that speaks groggly: "lieutenant, I have had hardly the defective dream. Dreamth that the hundreds approximately years from today, would be Impresa-D, of which the captain he is a bald French man with an English accent strongly. Its square is itself composed of first official of the pussy, android wussy, idiot Klingon and this small boy really annoying. She was horrible." Checkovf: "sure captain, cannot be therefore!" Kirk: "it obtains defective, flies around to space that throws this nonsence communist of pacifist of new federation. And their ship nearly makes to burst every week. Theirs only defended ago to participate a man with a selezionatore of the cheese over its eyes that throw one sure absurdity for the long periods of time. The words appreciate the dispersion of sottospazio and the singolarità of the quantom. Scotty, those words means qualche.cosa to you " Scotty: "not in' d less tip Capt' n" Spock: "not there is logical to this captain, why field of Starfleet one ship with such problems" Kirk: "I do not know Spock, I, just one, not to know" McCoy: "Damnit Jim!, sapete that the dreams are absurdity." Kirk: "but it was therefore clear!" The breach trades them in sickened bay, Kirk is being found on a doctor is facing on Kirk: "and then there was the station of space, filled up of these religious dice of wierd with the things amusing on their noses. And the captain was bald also and a really defective actor. But there was this warm chick called Dax." McCoy: "Damnit Jim!" Kirk: "not there were wait boneses, then here this other called ship Voyager, its captain were one woman. At least task that has been a woman, she has played like a man. But other chick with the numbers for a name was this, but its personality was inferior to that one of a peice of toejam. This part of the dream has taken in order always, at least seven years. Why boneses! Why!" McCoy: "good ended hour. Jim is stretched, it was only a dream, only a dream." Sbiad in order to space the accreditations of the seam

That was fucking odd...

SirNitram · Post by **SirNitram** » 2002-07-22 10:07pm

I will create a grand Army Of The Federation, to protect against the threat of the Borg.

TheDarkling · Post by **TheDarkling** » 2002-07-22 10:39pm

What I would do is simple - have a war, not DS9s 3 battles that last for 10 minutes - I mean a real war.

A war with planning, Space combat, ground combat (with something other than standard weapons) and intelligence (spying etc).

We also might get to see a little more about normal life in the federation.

The problems with this idea are threefold -
1.you would need a main cast for each of the 4 areas (can anyone say budget? and time concerns).
2.The style is not run of the mill and will send any network screaming.
3. There isnt anyone left to fight since the Borg were made to look like pansies.
The dominon has been done.
Klingons and Romulans arent a grand enough scale.
All I could suggest is that the minion races of the Alpha and Beta quads decide they have had enough of the major powers and kick off on them.

The many enemies would stave off the show going stale (see new races and fighting styles etc) but it the series would be continuity heavy with some battles (ground and maybe intel stuff) lasting weeks due to episode sharing with the other elements.

Shame it would never happen - Networks fear episodes with a consistent plot requiring people to actually watch a show on a regular basis.

Failing the above I wouldnt mind New Frontier(star trek book series) being made into a series but continuity between episodes cold again be a problem.

Wicked Pilot · Post by **Wicked Pilot** » 2002-07-22 10:45pm

Nah, I still think the Dallas approach is the best one.

SCVN 2812 · Post by **SCVN 2812** » 2002-07-22 10:49pm

Reintroduce some of the TOS races. The Tholians and Gorn if properly updated could be excellent opponents and would test the capabilities of the Federation and any allies in both space and on the ground. The Tholians are very dangerous in space because of the web and the Gorn are vicious in ground combat, especially hand to hand.

Another option is to show us the Romulan War on Enterprise and, like Darkling said, make it an actual war with the kind of atmosphere and brutal reality that Space: Above and Beyond had rather than the mostly stylized, glossed over conflict with a dramatic, realistic moment here and there that the Dominion war was. More like the Siege of AR-### and the episode where Jake Sisko and Bashir were caught in the middle of a Klingon offensive.

TheDarkling · Post by **TheDarkling** » 2002-07-22 10:56pm

I can see it now Gorn shock troops landing on a peaceful colony world and blowing the hell out of it while the tholians keep the ships in orbit busy - throw a couple of other minor races and your cooking.

On a Romulans on Enterprise issue I heard that they will appear in the 2nd season.

I also have a great quote - "We've been very careful, The continuity is airtight. Believe me. We know. We know." Brannon Braga says about the Romulan appearnce on Enterprise.

How could he say it with a straight face?

Master of Ossus · Post by **Master of Ossus** » 2002-07-22 10:59pm

With the Klingons, how come they changed appearances from Enterprise to TOS, but then went BACK for TNG, DS9, and the movies. In DS9 they refused to explain it (Worf: "We do not like to talk about it."), but that is just TERRIBLE for everyone involved.

TheDarkling · Post by **TheDarkling** » 2002-07-22 11:04pm

I would have to agree with Wong and say that they are two races and that the "flat heads" were on their way out during TOS (used as fodder) either due to some sort of techobabble reason that stopped them reproducing or interbreeding (Chang in ST 6 looked sort of inbetween).
Or they could just have been wiped out like Wong says.

Master of Ossus · Post by **Master of Ossus** » 2002-07-22 11:21pm

I don't think it can be explained. I think Enterprise just f***** up continuity just because they could. It sucked. The show sucks. The writing sucks ass. The best explanation might be Wong's, but I don't have to like the best explanation.

Darth_Shinji · Post by **Darth_Shinji** » 2002-07-22 11:35pm

Well, Everything I would do has already been covered. Though I would prob go farther than most, you would prob only reconize the series in name only, the most of the races, most of the ship designs (big if here), and some of the actors I liked. I would change the story complaelty.

But if I could do one thing to st. It would be....
Make the Furies CANON!

TheDarkling · Post by **TheDarkling** » 2002-07-22 11:38pm

Furies??

Are they from a book (or 4 books) - they made humanties primal fears, or am I way off base?

Typhonis 1 · Post by **Typhonis 1** » 2002-07-23 02:28am

First kill all non essential technobabel second set the story in the alternate universe where the Federation and Klingons are fighting each other third give the Feddies some decent equipment and decent ships.20 yearts of fighting will teach them good solid ship design and ergonomics wepon design.fourth use a brand new ship and crew .

Shadow · Post by **Shadow** » 2002-07-23 02:59am

The difference is due to Star Trek's lack of money in TOS. Worf's line should be ignored because it makes no sense.

septesix · Post by **septesix** » 2002-07-23 03:36am

Not bothering reading through all the pervious message....

what I would do, is still keep a TOS/TNG or even Voyager type of story. I mean, there are few enough TV shows on the air about exploration. I don't want to miss another one!

However, instead of just coming up with Aliens/Planet/Crisis of the week, I'd actaully plan out the region of space that they will be exploring, filled it with interesting and interacting or conflicing aliens races, define the ground rules on how each and every faction will react to a certin type of events....

then Throw the ships into that region, and follow the ground rules closely, and see what happens!

TheDarkling · Post by **TheDarkling** » 2002-07-23 03:42am

septesix: You just described New Frontier (ST book series).

Basically an empire spanning a sector collapses and the federation go aroung exploring it and trying to sort the area out.
Theres various factions that pop up now and again but there are also some one shots.

septesix · Post by **septesix** » 2002-07-23 04:19am

TheDarkling wrote:septesix: You just described New Frontier (ST book series).

Basically an empire spanning a sector collapses and the federation go aroung exploring it and trying to sort the area out.
Theres various factions that pop up now and again but there are also some one shots.

Well, not aware any of the ST books (if I want to read good Sci-Fi, I'd rather re-read Hyperion), I don't know the idea was there already.

But apperently the same creative control didn't extend to the TV series very well..

So far Enterprise is doing a okay job in my book. so at least there's that.

LMSx · Post by **LMSx** » 2002-07-23 04:49am

I had these really good storyline all typed up involving the hyper-oxygenization of several planets due to fungus through Species-A and Species-B that lead to the irrational amount of humanoid races in the quadrant.

But then I hit the back button on my mouse right before I could hit send, erasing the whole thing.

Darth_Shinji · Post by **Darth_Shinji** » 2002-07-23 08:37am

TheDarkling wrote:Furies??

Are they from a book (or 4 books) - they made humanties primal fears, or am I way off base?

Yes. A four book countity. They are a collection of races that used to rule the alpha quad, and were dethroned and tossed threw a wormhole. And later on the came back and tried to take over.
Of course I would chance some of the story, but overall I liked them.