Pre SDnet view of Star Trek vs Star Wars

Solauren · Post by **Solauren** » 2004-10-10 09:37pm

I was actually working on making a Rpgesque ship to ship combat system for them.

Pound for Pound, they were going to be equal (i.e a Heavy Turbo laser = Sovie Phaser Bank, 1 Hull point per meter of hull in length), with just the drive speeds different.

Cyborg Stan · Post by **Cyborg Stan** » 2004-10-10 10:07pm

It's hard to say, but I won't say it changed it all that much. Thing is, I've been in VS arguments before that, and pretty much agreed that SW would win in any standard military scenario. The specifics of course, change a bit over time.

I'd say Wayne, Saxton, and Young had more of an influence on me in my earlier years, with probably Brian Young being the first one I've seen using calculations and whatnot. This website came a bit after that.

Asst. Asst. Lt. Cmdr. Smi · Post by **Asst. Asst. Lt. Cmdr. Smi** » 2004-10-10 10:48pm

I didn't seriously consider the scenario before finding this site, but I believed in the typical misconceptions about SW technology, and thought that it was less powerful than it actually was, so I guess if I did consider it, I would have thought that SW would win, but not as easily as I think that they would now.

aerius · Post by **aerius** » 2004-10-10 11:40pm

I've always figured that Star Wars would have the advantage, but I never realized how hopelessly outclassed Trek would be. It's literally a thousand times worse than the curbstomping Iraq got in Gulf War I.

Post by **Alyrium Denryle** » 2004-10-10 11:42pm

I was a fiver. Nuff said.

B5 beats star wars which beats star trek.

Jim Raynor · Post by **Jim Raynor** » 2004-10-11 03:15am

I never gave much thought to versus scenarios, but I assumed SW would win because it was more militaristic. I never imagined such a big disparity in power pre-SD.net though.

apocolypse · Post by **apocolypse** » 2004-10-11 07:04pm

I guess I'm like several people here. I used to watch more Trek than Wars, and was young so I knew sod all about gigatons, megatons, and all that. I had assumed rough parity (half a dozen GCS's to equal an ISD, something like that). But that was a long time ago. Fortunately I did a lot of reading before getting into serious debates.

THEHOOLIGANJEDI · Post by **THEHOOLIGANJEDI** » 2004-10-11 09:39pm

Hell I alway thought that SW would whoop ST badly. But the General consensus online was the opposite. Then I found Mike's website which reinforced my opinions.

Comosicus · Post by **Comosicus** » 2004-10-12 05:47am

I was not interested in such a thing until I came here. And there was no doubt later.

Post by **NecronLord** » 2004-10-12 05:55am

I'd not really considered it. I got here by plugging "www.stardestroyer.net" into the address bar on a whim.

brianeyci · Post by **brianeyci** » 2004-10-12 10:25am

NecronLord wrote:I'd not really considered it. I got here by plugging "www.stardestroyer.net" into the address bar on a whim.

Grew up watching ST:TNG. Watched SW much later. Laughed when I watched Luke go in to shoot the Death Star in ANH, and thought to myself that one ST homing photon torpedo or phaser barrage would hit that little square and blow up a planet sized moon. And laughed at the stupidity of super-villians creating planet-destroying moons with one obvious weakness.

Now, after seeing figures from ICS, SW wins every time. But I still laugh at stupidity of super villians. Now Khan was a good villian... although he was stupid too. When will somebody make a good villian?

Brian

Bob the Gunslinger · Post by **Bob the Gunslinger** » 2004-10-12 01:03pm

When I was little, I thought about it a lot. I'd always assumed that there was some parity in weapon power, but the SW universe had more warships, so it would win.

I found the debate online while looking for pics of ST and SW ships to draw from and I was pretty surprised at the outcome. However, I am a big B5 fan and I was kind of impressed that they would do better against trek than I had originally thought--as long as they watch out for those photorps!

Post by **Kuja** » 2004-10-12 02:33pm

I used to entertain myself imagining ISD squadrons pounding ST ships into battered hulks.

thecreech · Post by **thecreech** » 2004-10-12 03:22pm

I never knew the details like i do now but i was always under the impression the star trek was no match for starwars simply because of the deathstar

Mlenk · Post by **Mlenk** » 2004-10-12 04:43pm

I had thought that Star Trek had the technology advantage in pretty much everything except for their FTL capabilities because they couldn't cross the galaxy at a whim like SW did. Hell, I even believed that SW lasers wouldn't even penetrate ST navigational shields.

Guardsman Bass · Post by **Guardsman Bass** » 2004-10-12 06:10pm

I ran into Wayne Poe's site a long time before I ever thought to go to Mike's site, so I knew that Wars would Kick Trek ass. Before that, though, I didn't have a large opinion on the subject, but I had punched into Star Wars vs Star Trek at random once, gotten some crap sites, visited Graham Kennedy's Daystrom Institute, and so forth.

Although I knew that Wars would win, I thought the Enterprise E could probably hold its own against a Star Destroyer- I thought Wars would win just because of numbers.

phongn · Post by **phongn** » 2004-10-12 08:36pm

Before ever visiting Mike's site I had known about Wayne Poe's and Brian Young's sites and thus expected the Empire to beat the Federation down. I did not assume GCS and ISD parity, either, but figured that a large squadron of them might be able to split an ISD's fire enough to defeat it.

Post by **weemadando** » 2004-10-12 09:03pm

Well pre-ASVS I had safely assumed that the galactic Empire would whup ST all up and down the universe. It merely confirmed it for me and gave me the numbers to back it up.

Praxis · Post by **Praxis** » 2004-10-12 09:16pm

I actually thought Star Wars moved at Light Speed

Why:

1) I knew light speed was very, very fast
2) I was 6 years old when I saw Star Wars.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2004-10-12 09:24pm

I myself never gave SW vs ST a moment's thought until I discovered people arguing on Usenet about it. I suppose that will sound kind of odd considering I'm the guy who wrote the site, but there you have it.

THEHOOLIGANJEDI · Post by **THEHOOLIGANJEDI** » 2004-10-12 10:12pm

THEHOOLIGANJEDI wrote:Hell I alway thought that SW would whoop ST badly. But the General consensus online was the opposite. Then I found Mike's website which reinforced my opinions.

To note, now that I think of it, I didn't give it too much thought either. It was more brought to my attention, and then I got curious and looked it up on the web.

Arthur_Tuxedo · Post by **Arthur_Tuxedo** » 2004-10-13 01:25am

My view was the same, but for different reasons. I thought Star Wars would win because I liked Star Wars, and didn't like recent Trek. What Mike's website gave me was the certainty that I was right and the ability to articulate exactly why.

jawbertsc · Post by **jawbertsc** » 2004-10-13 08:30am

I never really crossed the two I always thought a galaxy far away and and a long time ago was King George's idea to seperate his brainchild from other SCI-FI. As far as ST goes i liked the orginal series and some of their movies. STNG was ok but it signalled the end was coming with the invention of the battle lounge. DS9 and Voyager finished the job. just like NOJ did for the EU. I really dont care who would win I prefer to play devils advocate

Kurgan · Post by **Kurgan** » 2004-10-13 03:42pm

I never really thought about the debate much, honestly. It was just "I like them both, but I like Star Wars better... more action and less talking"

To me Star Trek was less intense (minus of course all the fist fights Kirk would get into which were always fun), and so a different kind of entertainment for me.

In terms of ship to ship combat, I guess I assumed that Trek could go faster in terms of manuvering, but the Empire had advantages like super weapons and Jedi. Star Trek had the Q. ; )

I didn't spend any time imagining scenarios with hundreds of ships fighting it out or anything like "Conquest."

I thought cloaked ships would pose a problem for the Empire though.

Remember also that at the time I ever gave it any thought was back when TNG was still going (and before any of the EU stuff really got started... I didn't read the Zahn trilogy until it'd been out for a few years).

Since then DS9, Voyager and now the prequels have made it abundantly clear how things would go, even without SD.net.

SD.net did pound the message home with lists and numbers and things, as did the SWTC. Basically it summed it all up for debate purposes.

But when we "debated" it was just like "Darth Vader would laugh at phasers" and "boy, the X-wing sure looks cooler than the Enterprise."

Kurgan · Post by **Kurgan** » 2004-10-13 03:46pm

IIRC, I started viewing Mike's site in 2001 sometime and I didn't join the forums until a year later (after lurking a bit). The canon database was what attracted me to the site initially, and then I read his fanfic (made sense because they really tied together well and it seemed like he did his homework). About that time I was watching all the shows in order (as best I could) having seen about half the TNG episodes and 99% of the TOS episodes back in the 80's and early 90's.

The SWTC I'd seen before (again about the same time) for the endor holocaust thing (never even considered it) and Vader's injuries. It was linked off some other site which is how I found it. The other "Vs" sites I only found out about through this site really.

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