Possible Federation defense strategy

[Kruk]

Ghost Rider, either is something wrong with me english (could be, it's not my primary language) or the people here are not able to understood the text they are reading.

[DarkSilver]

But You still have no EVIDENCE that turbolaser will work. Have You? No.

I wrote to show, that saying that nomething wont work because it's from 'other side' (Trek phase cloak against Wars shields) can work in both directions - (Wars weapon agains Trek shields).
And that using such statements as a 'prove' or 'fact' dont say to well about writer.

And I think I've write the part about 'fun' in such statement?

Ok..listen knob goblin, I'm sure everyone else on this board can spell it out far far FAR simpler than I can, but we'll take the pile of fecal matter you call a brain and see if we can hammer this into it without putting it all over the nice people.....

Star Trek shields, just like every other type of shield system in all of Sci-Fi that I am currently aware of, [get damaged by b]BY DAMN NEAR EVERYTHING![/b]. There is no "immunity" to Weapon X because it's from Y Universe. The only difference is in how much damage gets delivered.

Delivering 200 gigatons of firepower from a HTL into a Star Trek shield system will collapse the shield. Star Trek shields are not, Are Not, ARE NOT designed to take such a input of power. One shot will crumple the shields into the consistincy of your brain, and make the ship free floating molecules. There is no and if or buts about this.

It is fact.

It is written.

So fuck off and have a good morning, k?

-twitches realiezing he defended Wars again-

FUCK! See what you made me do!
It's to early in eternity for this shit...




Ahem....apologize for the cussing....
-twitches again-

bastards....

[Pcm979]

Don't shit yourself about it. Cussing's what we fucking do around here.

[LORDDOOMMASTER]

But You still have no EVIDENCE that turbolaser will work. Have You? No.

I wrote to show, that saying that nomething wont work because it's from 'other side' (Trek phase cloak against Wars shields) can work in both directions - (Wars weapon agains Trek shields).
And that using such statements as a 'prove' or 'fact' dont say to well about writer.

And I think I've write the part about 'fun' in such statement?

So we still have no evidence that a turbolaser will work? Well, let's see, what evidence would you like? The fact that we see turbolasers vaporizing asteroids might be a good start. After all, photon torpedoes can be used against asteroids and they will damage an asteroid as well. The shields are not going to be able to simply stop a turbolaser bolt just because "it's a different kind of energy and therefore we don't know if it will work." This is like saying "Well, we don't know if an M-16 won't kill a redshirt because we don't know if the bullet will go through the uniform. After all, an M-16 isn't a phaser, therefore we need to prove that it would go through the uniform." This argument is moronic at best. Turbolasers are able to damage ST shields. Get over it and stop trying to make up lame excuses.

As for the argument of why the phasic cloak (or whatever it's called) would work against SW ships, let's look at the examples we have of it. The only example I can remember was in Pegasus, where they used the phasic cloak to escape the asteroid. So we know that the cloak can go through an asteroid. Alright, so far that's about all we know. Do we know that it can penetrate shields? No, we never saw it do this. So we have a pretty high leap of logic to assume that this cloak could penetrate any shields. And, I will also add, transphasic torpedoes are not the same thing. So let's not have the "well, we'll combine the 2 and it'll work because the transphasic will go through shields and the phasic will go through matter," cause I know that's coming next. So essentially, we have a cloak that may or may not be able to penetrate the armored hull of a SW start ship (armor is a lot denser than asteroids and we don't know what effects this might have against the cloak) and probably won't be of any use against shields. Sounds pretty much another useless attempt to me. Not to mention the fact that not only does the Federation not have this technology (they destroyed it at the end of Pegasus due to the treaty with the Romulans, banning the Federation from having cloaking technology) anymore, this is pretty much just another dead end Trekkie attempt. Sorry, better luck next time.

[Kruk]

I think, I have to post my first post again. Read it, then post:

-The fact that you have no evidence you can phase through Wars shields
-The fact that you have no evidence you can phase through Wars armor

Now that was funny to read. Without the 'Wars' part it will be a fact, with it it's the same as saying
- The fact is you have no evidence that turbolasers work against Trek shields


Now something I've thought about 'gravity/air' interaction with phased objects. It's true, that the romulan has floated when he leaved the ship. But it's also true, that Ro and Geordi were walking around normaly, and not were pulled to the gravity generators. Also - if they were able to communicate with voice - and thus interacting with air - why noone else heard them?

Praxis - we dont know how transphasic works. It's only your assumption. It could be as good torpedo phased torpedo as good as a mechanism with little Q inside.
Queen ship has 'normal' shielding, the same goes for TC - shields which work before adapting.

Can ANYONE show me, where I have said, that phase cloacking will work aganst shields or anything more dense than rock.

All I have said that Batman said that phasecloak wont work agains WARS shield and that ANTIcarrot dont have any evidence that they will work aganst WARS shields.

Then I wrote, that saying something like this is like saing that WARS weapon (put sensor against cloak; shields against weapons; whatever else you want) wont work against Trek just because there is no evidence that they will.

Nothing more. I have not written, that such assumption is, well, stupid, because I dont wont to be rude to anyone on this forum.
I have also not written, that the weapons wont work - it was just used as comparision to Batmna statement.

I think anyone missed this part:

Now that was funny to read. Without the 'Wars' part it will be a fact, with it it's the same as saying
- The fact is you have no evidence that turbolasers work against Trek shields

Or just ignored it seeing just the last sentence and smelling occasion to jump on someone.

So, try to read anything, understood it and then answer. And next time dont ignore the parts You dont like and use only ones that allow You to show how superior You (or Wars) are.

I have enough of sd.net for next two weeks, good day to anyone[/b][/quote]

[LORDDOOMMASTER]

So, try to read anything, understood it and then answer. And next time dont ignore the parts You dont like and use only ones that allow You to show how superior You (or Wars) are.

You should probably try the same thing. You might think that you are being clever with your fallacious argument, but in reality you only look foolish. Turbolaser are weapons. They are designed to cause damage to whatever they hit. Same as phasers and photon torpedoes. The difference being turbolaser are vastly more powerful. Your argument is the same as "Well, this new weapon called the Atom bomb can't destroy Hiroshima because it's never been used against it before." Energy is energy. ST shields can't abosrb the energy that SW turbolasers can deal out. Therefore, the shields collapse, the energy is directed against the ship's armor and hull. Neither of these can stand up the energy either. ST ship is destroyed.

Weapons damage things. Shield protect against damage. Armor protects against damage. If the weapon has the energy to overcome the shields and armor, the target is destroyed. End of story. Deal with it.

[drachefly]

rebuttal 1: we have observed phasing PEOPLE pass through shields such as in the warp core of the Enterprise. Yes, this is not directly comparable to a star wars shield, but there is no particularly strong reason to suppose that their shields' perfectly admitted uber-ness extends to things which basically don't exist.

rebuttal 2: screw a warhead. How well do you think a critical piece of equipment would take to having other matter superposed over it, a la Pegasus? Have the runabout run inside, pick a good spot, turn off the cloak. Suddenly, a lot of that very cleverly designed shielding equipment is, well, interlaced with a lot of other stuff. It would cease to BE equipment. If you choose well, that should do the job even in the absence of an applied explosion.

[Kruk]

Lorddoommaster - You are really so.. well, with not completely evolved mind? REad what someone else say, than write your answer.

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Explanation, special for You:
That statement was used to show that saying that something wont work because the oponent is from other universe IS STUPID!! And it was actualy to the Batman, who wrote something like this - to show him that noone sane use such words/arguments in versus debate.
If You, or anyone else, have not understood it, then it's Your problem.

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Now a little about phase cloaking:

The episode "The Next Phase" has nothing do to with the cloaking. The out of phase state was caused by transporter accident, caused by damaged (probably heavy) interphase generator. So the ANTIcarrot statement, that phased object can go through shields by using 'looking inside warp core' as a evidence is wrong. Here are quotes from scripts abut incident:

Ro, Geordi, and the generator begin to DEMATERIALIZE...
then something goes wrong... their images FUZZ and
SPARK strangely.

8 INT. TRANSPORTER ROOM (OPTICAL)

Brossmer is struggling to bring them aboard... STRANGE
SHAPES and EFFECTS dance on the transporter pad.
It's unlike any transporter effect we've seen before.

On the other hand we know, that phasing either works on energy and matter - when E-D was phased or energy systems worked normaly, all shields, containment fields and so on worked. How phased ship (or anything else) will react on energy - we dont know, but assuming that it will be able to pass through energy (at least to some levels) is quite possible.

The second possibility is that the 'cloak' generates some sort of phase bubble - the buble is out of phase protecting the ship inside from environment (both energy as particles), but the ship inside works in 'normal' conditions. It's also possible. Notice, that when E-D fly through asteroid, they see the rocks from inside - tru, the the rocks were not flying 'through' the ship, they were not visible inside ship - and this should be the case, if ship was acting like a ghost. In this case the effects of interaction betwean phased ship / energy is not possible to state.

There is also this statement:
RIKER
The cloak appears to be
functioning normally. The ship's
matter/energy phasing rate should
be sufficient to pass through the
asteroid.

Riker speaks about matter/energy phasing rate indicating, that the ship should be able to go through energy. What levels of energy - this is another matter.


PICARD
Mister Worf, send a message to the
Warbird... inform them that their
government will be contacted
shortly regarding this incident.

Now never was anything said about destruction of phase cloak, only that Romulans will be informed. So the assumption that Feds have the tech is not as stupid and without evidence, as some saying here. Also later Picard saied to Riker, that the Pressman will be courtmartialed, the same for some other officers, but no statement about destruction of the device.

[drachefly]

Though before I'm pounced on I would like to add that the chances of the feds having enough information to mass-produce these things is very low, so it would not constitute a genuine defense strategy -- perhaps a way to take out a DS if they're lucky, but since it looks like two Imperial II SD's could wipe out starfleet, what's the point?

Basically, I think the way it happened in DW's story is about the most likely. The futility of the small gesture would overwhelm any individual effectiveness it could have had.

[Ghost Rider]

Yes, Kruk...and they used this fantastic piece of technology against the Dominion, and the Borg when they were ravaging their borders.

[Darth Wong]

I don't recall anyone walking into a warp core in "The Next Phase". The only time I recall seeing somebody stick his head out of warp core was Q, who is obviously a special case.

As for phasing being able to go through anything, that's just bullshit, pure and simple. In "The Next Phase", they found that there was tangible resistance to movement through solid objects. In "Pegasus", they stated that a certain "phasing rate" was necessary to pass through rock. In other words, a sufficiently dense solid wall would stop a "phased" object, never mind shields.

And that's leaving aside the foolishness of this idea on general principle, since even if it worked like a Trekkie's wet dream, the Empire could simply hyperjump in-system, fire off a few thousand gigatons at the planet, and then leave before intercept, thus wiping planetary populations out in their entirety as punishment. This is like saying that the Japanese could have found an ingenious way to take down a B-17, so this would have stopped the Americans even if they had a thousand supersonic nuclear bombers.

[harbringer]

I think we all understand that weapons damage shielding. Can anyone else think of anything about phase cloaks and wars ships that hasn't come up yet??.

Oh and the X craft were not that successful hitting the tirpitz as it was only damaged in a minor way. And subs were able to be detected by both sides in WW2 (the germans designed the first homing torp to target noise for use against enemy submarines..) the germans just were lazy. As such it is a piss poor comparison.

anyhows back on topic... I don't think that a cloaked ship will work as the asteroids in the "Dark force rising" trilogy were located and destroyed amongst wreckage from destroyed warships. If an asteroid that has nothing other than its gravity signature advertising it's presence can be found so can a gravity affecting phase cloaked ship. What to do about such a ship... you could wait for it to run out of supplies, use a phased weapon (from voyager during the episode where the amnesia causing race.... cant remember the title...) beta particles did the trick it should be easy to figure out and implement in a weapon. Use a Jedi mind trick to get the ship to de-cloak. Could the funky mines slave 1 carries kill a phased cloak ship since all you have to do is use gravity to pull it apart...

[Darth Wong]

I like the way Trekkies simply ignore the portion of any post criticizing one of their wank fantasies by pointing out that these techniques were never used against the Borg or the Dominion. But hey, if we're going to make up new weapons, why not simply build a huge X-Wing sized seismic charge with a hyperdrive on it and then launch it at things from ten thousand light years away? It wouldn't even require lost technology. But nooooooo, only Trek is allowed to do anything that deviates from standard tactics and equipment ...

[Kruk]

I would say that DS and any other super-waepon deviates from standard tactics and equipment.

The first time (and second, when Borg attacked) the phase-cloak was not there (lost on Pegasus), the third time I have no explanation. About dominion - they wanted Romulans to fight on their side - if they used cloaking they developed, and without Romulan approval, it will probably be end of alliance.
Of course, one could say, that Feds with phasecloak would win on their own... this is to debate... not here...

[Ghost Rider]

Yes, because they didn't have the Superlaser technology before the DS and didn't have it afterwards...

oh wait AoTC and DE refute this statement.

[brianeyci]

Kruk, why would they use phase cloak anyway? The Feds have demonstrated that they are willing to die for their principles like "Prime Directive" and "Temporal Prime Directive" again and again. They would be willing to die to uphold the law, and it would take one lone guy to do it, which would mean one lone ship with phase cloak and not the entire Fed replicating phase cloaks and installing them on their ships. Phase cloak isn't much use when the Feds aren't willing to use it.

Brian

[Kreshna Aryaguna Nurzaman]

I did a search of the archives, and didn't find any mention of this strategy anywhere. My appologies if I'm repeating an old arguement...

The Federation has 'plug and play' phased cloak technology as demonstrated in the Next Generation. In another episode we saw three cloaked humanoids pass through normal matter and various forms of energy shielding, which IIRC included one sticking his head inside the warp core. (Say what you like about external shielding, they *have* to have some impressive shields inside that!) We also see a phased explosion has no effect on normal matter. Plus in the last episode of voyager we see phased torpedos passing through borg shields.

It is also my understanding that the Empire has little understanding or experience of cloaking technology, and absolutely no experience with phasing technology.

Given this, what's to stop a ship the size of a runabout phasing, flying into the heart of a super star destroyer (any model), releasing a phased warhead which then unphases, explodes, and triggers the detonation of the larger reactor, destroying or crippling the larger vessel? A similar attack could disable a super-laser by attacking a bottleneck in the design. And most drawings of the deathstar show that such exist.

Such an operation would be similar to the way the british x-craft were capable of damaging a far larger and more powerful Tirpitz. Putting that out of commission for six months made the german navy reconsidder its strategy. Could putting the/a Deathstar out of comission for a year, and destroying a few SSDs make the Empire react in a similar way?

A few misc points:
*The phase generator required the power of the Enterprise because it was capable of cloaking a ship the size of the enterprise. A smaller device, with reduced capacity, might be considderably smaller, with lesser power requirements.
*Runabouts are suggested because they are the redshirts of DS9. The Federation seems to have a large number of them, and they are easily modified.
*The Romulan ship (with their knowledge of cloaking technology) was not observed to react to the Enterprise, until it unphased.
*A phase-generator would not need to last very long to fulfil its mission. The time requirement is more than capably demonstrated when the Enterprise left the asteroid.
*An imperial starship, that spotted the phased warship, might be able to out-run the attacker. But during the jump to warp Federation ships demonstrate accelerations in the tens of millions of Gees. The picard manouver could jump a ship directly in front of the target vessel.
*An imperial starship, that spotted the phased warship, might be able to manouver in such a way to make precise targetting of the demolition charge impossible. But there is evidence that large explosions within the hulls of Imperator ships can severely damage them.
*America's industrial capacity is not measured by the metal workshops on her naval ships. It is likely that the Federation has facilities for rapid production of phase-generators, (or could produce such facilities quickly) even if they do not already have a stockpile.

ANTIcarrot.

I did a search of the "archives", and didn't find any mention about my own formulated strategy anywhere either. My apologies if I'm mentioning a very disturbing "arguement" ....

The Federation has two distinct characters as demonstrated in the Next Generation and Voyager; name Lwaxanna Troi and Kathryn Janeway. In some episode we saw those two humanoids disturbing normal minds and pass through various forms of insanity shielding, which IIRC more than capable to remove any guy's thought to sticking his "head" inside *anything*. We also see a phased explosion is not even close to a solution to get rid of us of these horrors. Plus, in *every* episode of voyager we see Janeway wearing spandex.

It is also my understanding that the Empire has little understanding or experience with broadcasting technology, and given their military discipline and personal decency, absolutely no experience with horrible fetish.

Given this, what's to stop a ship the size of a runabout phasing, "fluing" (yes, runabout can catch flu, no matter what you think) into the heart of a super star destroyer (any model), releasing a phased warhead which then unphases, explodes, and triggers the broadcasting of the scene showing Lwaxanna Troi and Kathryin Janeway in a mud-wrestling, destroying and crippling the morale of the entire crew? A similar attack could disable a super-laser by showing the scene on the Death Star's main screen, making both Grand Moff Tarkin and Darth Vader vomitting to death before even get the chance to say "fire when ready", never thought that such nightmare exist.

Such an operation would be similar to the way goatse.cx was capable of damaging the mind of large internet population. Broadcasting the mud-wrestling scene for six months could made Princess Leia "reconsidder" her rejection to Jabba the Hutt. Could broadcasting the scene throughout the Star Wars galaxy for a year, and destroying few billions of populations make the Empire react in a self-destructive way?


Now, ladies and gentlement, THAT is a possible Federation defense strategy I've just pulled out of my ass. Of course I expect everyone here to run around disproving my argument, because, being an asshole that I am, there is no way I would be liable to take the burden of proof of my own arguments.

[Darth Sephiroth]

I did a search of the archives, and didn't find any mention of this strategy anywhere. My appologies if I'm repeating an old arguement...

The Federation has 'plug and play' phased cloak technology as demonstrated in the Next Generation. In another episode we saw three cloaked humanoids pass through normal matter and various forms of energy shielding, which IIRC included one sticking his head inside the warp core. (Say what you like about external shielding, they *have* to have some impressive shields inside that!) We also see a phased explosion has no effect on normal matter. Plus in the last episode of voyager we see phased torpedos passing through borg shields.

It is also my understanding that the Empire has little understanding or experience of cloaking technology, and absolutely no experience with phasing technology.

Given this, what's to stop a ship the size of a runabout phasing, flying into the heart of a super star destroyer (any model), releasing a phased warhead which then unphases, explodes, and triggers the detonation of the larger reactor, destroying or crippling the larger vessel? A similar attack could disable a super-laser by attacking a bottleneck in the design. And most drawings of the deathstar show that such exist.

Such an operation would be similar to the way the british x-craft were capable of damaging a far larger and more powerful Tirpitz. Putting that out of commission for six months made the german navy reconsidder its strategy. Could putting the/a Deathstar out of comission for a year, and destroying a few SSDs make the Empire react in a similar way?

A few misc points:
*The phase generator required the power of the Enterprise because it was capable of cloaking a ship the size of the enterprise. A smaller device, with reduced capacity, might be considderably smaller, with lesser power requirements.
*Runabouts are suggested because they are the redshirts of DS9. The Federation seems to have a large number of them, and they are easily modified.
*The Romulan ship (with their knowledge of cloaking technology) was not observed to react to the Enterprise, until it unphased.
*A phase-generator would not need to last very long to fulfil its mission. The time requirement is more than capably demonstrated when the Enterprise left the asteroid.
*An imperial starship, that spotted the phased warship, might be able to out-run the attacker. But during the jump to warp Federation ships demonstrate accelerations in the tens of millions of Gees. The picard manouver could jump a ship directly in front of the target vessel.
*An imperial starship, that spotted the phased warship, might be able to manouver in such a way to make precise targetting of the demolition charge impossible. But there is evidence that large explosions within the hulls of Imperator ships can severely damage them.
*America's industrial capacity is not measured by the metal workshops on her naval ships. It is likely that the Federation has facilities for rapid production of phase-generators, (or could produce such facilities quickly) even if they do not already have a stockpile.

ANTIcarrot.

I did a search of the "archives", and didn't find any mention about my own formulated strategy anywhere either. My apologies if I'm mentioning a very disturbing "arguement" ....

The Federation has two distinct characters as demonstrated in the Next Generation and Voyager; name Lwaxanna Troi and Kathryn Janeway. In some episode we saw those two humanoids disturbing normal minds and pass through various forms of insanity shielding, which IIRC more than capable to remove any guy's thought to sticking his "head" inside *anything*. We also see a phased explosion is not even close to a solution to get rid of us of these horrors. Plus, in *every* episode of voyager we see Janeway wearing spandex.

It is also my understanding that the Empire has little understanding or experience with broadcasting technology, and given their military discipline and personal decency, absolutely no experience with horrible fetish.

Given this, what's to stop a ship the size of a runabout phasing, "fluing" (yes, runabout can catch flu, no matter what you think) into the heart of a super star destroyer (any model), releasing a phased warhead which then unphases, explodes, and triggers the broadcasting of the scene showing Lwaxanna Troi and Kathryin Janeway in a mud-wrestling, destroying and crippling the morale of the entire crew? A similar attack could disable a super-laser by showing the scene on the Death Star's main screen, making both Grand Moff Tarkin and Darth Vader vomitting to death before even get the chance to say "fire when ready", never thought that such nightmare exist.

Such an operation would be similar to the way goatse.cx was capable of damaging the mind of large internet population. Broadcasting the mud-wrestling scene for six months could made Princess Leia "reconsidder" her rejection to Jabba the Hutt. Could broadcasting the scene throughout the Star Wars galaxy for a year, and destroying few billions of populations make the Empire react in a self-destructive way?


Now, ladies and gentlement, THAT is a possible Federation defense strategy I've just pulled out of my ass. Of course I expect everyone here to run around disproving my argument, because, being an asshole that I am, there is no way I would be liable to take the burden of proof of my own arguments.

Actually, that would probably lead to the mass eradication of all life from the ST universe, and it would be justified.

[Petrosjko]

Lwaxanna Troi and Kathryin Janeway in a mud-wrestling

You son of a bitch. You unmitigated motherfucking donkeyraping cocksucker.

Expect more of this in the hate mail I will be sending you from the asylum they'll be putting me in soon. You've ruined my life.

[Kreshna Aryaguna Nurzaman]

I did a search of the archives, and didn't find any mention of this strategy anywhere. My appologies if I'm repeating an old arguement...

The Federation has 'plug and play' phased cloak technology as demonstrated in the Next Generation. In another episode we saw three cloaked humanoids pass through normal matter and various forms of energy shielding, which IIRC included one sticking his head inside the warp core. (Say what you like about external shielding, they *have* to have some impressive shields inside that!) We also see a phased explosion has no effect on normal matter. Plus in the last episode of voyager we see phased torpedos passing through borg shields.

It is also my understanding that the Empire has little understanding or experience of cloaking technology, and absolutely no experience with phasing technology.

Given this, what's to stop a ship the size of a runabout phasing, flying into the heart of a super star destroyer (any model), releasing a phased warhead which then unphases, explodes, and triggers the detonation of the larger reactor, destroying or crippling the larger vessel? A similar attack could disable a super-laser by attacking a bottleneck in the design. And most drawings of the deathstar show that such exist.

Such an operation would be similar to the way the british x-craft were capable of damaging a far larger and more powerful Tirpitz. Putting that out of commission for six months made the german navy reconsidder its strategy. Could putting the/a Deathstar out of comission for a year, and destroying a few SSDs make the Empire react in a similar way?

A few misc points:
*The phase generator required the power of the Enterprise because it was capable of cloaking a ship the size of the enterprise. A smaller device, with reduced capacity, might be considderably smaller, with lesser power requirements.
*Runabouts are suggested because they are the redshirts of DS9. The Federation seems to have a large number of them, and they are easily modified.
*The Romulan ship (with their knowledge of cloaking technology) was not observed to react to the Enterprise, until it unphased.
*A phase-generator would not need to last very long to fulfil its mission. The time requirement is more than capably demonstrated when the Enterprise left the asteroid.
*An imperial starship, that spotted the phased warship, might be able to out-run the attacker. But during the jump to warp Federation ships demonstrate accelerations in the tens of millions of Gees. The picard manouver could jump a ship directly in front of the target vessel.
*An imperial starship, that spotted the phased warship, might be able to manouver in such a way to make precise targetting of the demolition charge impossible. But there is evidence that large explosions within the hulls of Imperator ships can severely damage them.
*America's industrial capacity is not measured by the metal workshops on her naval ships. It is likely that the Federation has facilities for rapid production of phase-generators, (or could produce such facilities quickly) even if they do not already have a stockpile.

ANTIcarrot.

I did a search of the "archives", and didn't find any mention about my own formulated strategy anywhere either. My apologies if I'm mentioning a very disturbing "arguement" ....

The Federation has two distinct characters as demonstrated in the Next Generation and Voyager; name Lwaxanna Troi and Kathryn Janeway. In some episode we saw those two humanoids disturbing normal minds and pass through various forms of insanity shielding, which IIRC more than capable to remove any guy's thought to sticking his "head" inside *anything*. We also see a phased explosion is not even close to a solution to get rid of us of these horrors. Plus, in *every* episode of voyager we see Janeway wearing spandex.

It is also my understanding that the Empire has little understanding or experience with broadcasting technology, and given their military discipline and personal decency, absolutely no experience with horrible fetish.

Given this, what's to stop a ship the size of a runabout phasing, "fluing" (yes, runabout can catch flu, no matter what you think) into the heart of a super star destroyer (any model), releasing a phased warhead which then unphases, explodes, and triggers the broadcasting of the scene showing Lwaxanna Troi and Kathryin Janeway in a mud-wrestling, destroying and crippling the morale of the entire crew? A similar attack could disable a super-laser by showing the scene on the Death Star's main screen, making both Grand Moff Tarkin and Darth Vader vomitting to death before even get the chance to say "fire when ready", never thought that such nightmare exist.

Such an operation would be similar to the way goatse.cx was capable of damaging the mind of large internet population. Broadcasting the mud-wrestling scene for six months could made Princess Leia "reconsidder" her rejection to Jabba the Hutt. Could broadcasting the scene throughout the Star Wars galaxy for a year, and destroying few billions of populations make the Empire react in a self-destructive way?


Now, ladies and gentlement, THAT is a possible Federation defense strategy I've just pulled out of my ass. Of course I expect everyone here to run around disproving my argument, because, being an asshole that I am, there is no way I would be liable to take the burden of proof of my own arguments.

Actually, that would probably lead to the mass eradication of all life from the ST universe, and it would be justified.

Of course, The Rebels, The Outer Rim Pirates, The Hapans, The Ssi-Ruvi, and even The Vong will join the Empire in the Holy Crusade, provided their combines forces woulnd't be overwhelmed first by the unspoken horror.

[Kreshna Aryaguna Nurzaman]

Lwaxanna Troi and Kathryin Janeway in a mud-wrestling

You son of a bitch. You unmitigated motherfucking donkeyraping cocksucker.

Expect more of this in the hate mail I will be sending you from the asylum they'll be putting me in soon. You've ruined my life.

Ummm.... Since I'm the one who's responsible for the loss of your sanity, I've been discussing much with the psychiatrists, out of moral responsibility, to find the best way to heal you. In fact, we actually came up with several interesting suggestion on mental therapy that may work. Now, wouldn't it make you feel better if I replace the mud-wrestling scene with a threesome involving Jar-Jar Binks?

:runs away:

:shouting from distance: OH, I FORGOT TO TELL YOU, JAR-JAR WILL BE NAKED TOO!!!

[Ghost Rider]

Stop the spam or it goes the way of the dodo.

[Jawawithagun]

Prove that SW receivers will be able to pick up and decode that broadcast correctly
Pray, pray that the've got their spam filters engaged

[Ace Pace]

Prove that SW receivers will be able to pick up and decode that broadcast correctly
Pray, pray that the've got their spam filters engaged

Since the holocom system is open for all, I assume either there are hardware based filters, or that broadcasting over the holonet requires some special equiptment(someone know anything about this?).

So unless the Fed's get a trade commision over, get the blueprints, sucessfully build it(or replicate it, whatever), then figure out the protocols, their fucked trying to send the transmissions.

Meanwhile, the Holonet authority figures out someones trying to upload something, see's multiple failed tries and shuts it down.


No thats shitty.

Ghost, if this falls under the spam, feel free to delete

[Kreshna Aryaguna Nurzaman]

Prove that SW receivers will be able to pick up and decode that broadcast correctly
Pray, pray that the've got their spam filters engaged

Since the holocom system is open for all, I assume either there are hardware based filters, or that broadcasting over the holonet requires some special equiptment(someone know anything about this?).

So unless the Fed's get a trade commision over, get the blueprints, sucessfully build it(or replicate it, whatever), then figure out the protocols, their fucked trying to send the transmissions.

Meanwhile, the Holonet authority figures out someones trying to upload something, see's multiple failed tries and shuts it down.


No thats shitty.

Ghost, if this falls under the spam, feel free to delete

:squeezing every effort to restrain self from posting another pervert remark, knowing GR is watching: