ST vs. SW and Godzilla

Robert Walper · Post by **Robert Walper** » 2004-12-12 07:55am

Pcm979 wrote:Yeah, well, you like the Borg. No offense, but that invalidates you as a useful measure of taste.

Blah! *gives finger*

Bellator · Post by **Bellator** » 2004-12-12 08:05am

I'm working under the assumption we're talking about the Godzilla from the American version movie.

ugh. Let's just take the Japanese version of Godzilla #1 up to Godzilla #782. There have been a shitload of Godzilla movies, and gives us more on screen "evidence" to look at.

Kurgan · Post by **Kurgan** » 2004-12-12 11:32am

After watching the original Godzilla (having seen numerous sequels) I've concluded that there are in fact "many Godzillas"... frozen in icebergs, trapped under the ocean/underground/in space, lost on islands whatever.

Unless he's magical (he's just a radioactively mutated dinosaur right?), he can't be disitintegrated and just form himself back together to fight another day...

Modern American Godzilla would get his ass kicked. Godzilla 2000 (for example) would be quite the challenge. I agree with those who suggest his radioactive nature and armor plates might be resistant to transporters and at least low level phasers.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2004-12-12 11:33am

The American movie version was killed by fucking helicopters, Walper; it is completely invalid in this discussion. If we use that version, who the fuck can't take down Godzilla?

The Japanese movie version, on the other hand, is virtually impossible to kill. In Godzilla: Monsters All-Out Attack he was blown up from the inside, and the only thing left of him was his heart, sitting at the bottom of the ocean ... still alive, beating, and in the process of regenerating.

Besides, you still haven't even established that transporters would even work on Godzilla, given that he embodies most of the things that tend to interfere with them, such as being radioactive and extremely dense, with a highly anomalous bioelectric field. He's pretty much a textbook case of all the things that will fuck up a transporter: a point brought up before in this thread and which you have conspicuously chosen to ignore, fucktard.

Kurgan · Post by **Kurgan** » 2004-12-12 11:50am

Darth Wong wrote:The American movie version was killed by fucking helicopters, Walper; it is completely invalid in this discussion. If we use that version, who the fuck can't take down Godzilla?

The Japanese movie version, on the other hand, is virtually impossible to kill. In Godzilla: Monsters All-Out Attack he was blown up from the inside, and the only thing left of him was his heart, sitting at the bottom of the ocean ... still alive, beating, and in the process of regenerating.

Whoa! I never saw that one. I stand corrected about the "regeneration" then. However, in the original flick, Godzilla's body is reduced to a bleached skeleton at the bottom of the ocean by the Oxygen Destroyer superweapon. Unless he can regenerate from bones, he's history...

Kurgan · Post by **Kurgan** » 2004-12-12 11:51am

Speaking of which, I wonder what would happen if some hungry sharks ate up that heart? It's just a big hunk of unprocted meat right? Unless it's radioactive and therefore inediable to sea creatures...

Kreshna Aryaguna Nurzaman · Post by **Kreshna Aryaguna Nurzaman** » 2004-12-12 11:57am

Darth Wong wrote:The American movie version was killed by fucking helicopters, Walper;

Nitpick: it was F-14, IIRC.

Darth Wong wrote: it is completely invalid in this discussion. If we use that version, who the fuck can't take down Godzilla?

But you're right. The whole US armed forces in the movie was simply too stupid to score a hit on a lumbering, outrageously huge TARGET.

Kreshna Aryaguna Nurzaman · Post by **Kreshna Aryaguna Nurzaman** » 2004-12-12 11:59am

Kurgan wrote:Speaking of which, I wonder what would happen if some hungry sharks ate up that heart? It's just a big hunk of unprocted meat right? Unless it's radioactive and therefore inediable to sea creatures...

replace the shark with an Octopus and you may get REAL Cthulhu out there...

Kreshna Aryaguna Nurzaman · Post by **Kreshna Aryaguna Nurzaman** » 2004-12-12 12:02pm

Pcm979 wrote:Yeah, well, you like the Borg. No offense, but that invalidates you as a useful measure of taste.

Now don't be too hard on him. Speaking about taste, Godzilla is like Oscar-winner compared to anything with Borg in it.

Robert Walper · Post by **Robert Walper** » 2004-12-12 12:47pm

Darth Wong wrote:The American movie version was killed by fucking helicopters, Walper; it is completely invalid in this discussion. If we use that version, who the fuck can't take down Godzilla?

Oh, excuse me for missing the part in the OP where it specified the old Godzilla rather than the new...oh wait.

The Japanese movie version, on the other hand, is virtually impossible to kill. In Godzilla: Monsters All-Out Attack he was blown up from the inside, and the only thing left of him was his heart, sitting at the bottom of the ocean ... still alive, beating, and in the process of regenerating.

Nice. I never watched the original Godzillas.

Besides, you still haven't even established that transporters would even work on Godzilla, given that he embodies most of the things that tend to interfere with them, such as being radioactive and extremely dense, with a highly anomalous bioelectric field. He's pretty much a textbook case of all the things that will fuck up a transporter: a point brought up before in this thread and which you have conspicuously chosen to ignore, fucktard.

No, a fucktard is one who points out someone is talking about the wrong Godzilla and then in the same sentence points out errors in assumptions about the Godzilla he wasn't talking about or even knows anything about.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2004-12-12 02:25pm

Robert Walper wrote:
Darth Wong wrote:The American movie version was killed by fucking helicopters, Walper; it is completely invalid in this discussion. If we use that version, who the fuck can't take down Godzilla?
Oh, excuse me for missing the part in the OP where it specified the old Godzilla rather than the new...oh wait.

Hey dipshit, the most recent films are actually from Japan as well. And it's not exactly obscure pop culture knowledge that the ORIGINAL and therefore most valid fucking Godzilla is the Japanese version, you worthless sophistic shit-eating dishonest little ass-turd fucktard.

The Japanese movie version, on the other hand, is virtually impossible to kill. In Godzilla: Monsters All-Out Attack he was blown up from the inside, and the only thing left of him was his heart, sitting at the bottom of the ocean ... still alive, beating, and in the process of regenerating.
Nice. I never watched the original Godzillas.

And just after denying that there was any way of knowing which one is more valid, you admit that the "original" one is, of course, the Japanese one. Not to mention the fact that everyone else here was obviously talking about the Japanese one.

Besides, you still haven't even established that transporters would even work on Godzilla, given that he embodies most of the things that tend to interfere with them, such as being radioactive and extremely dense, with a highly anomalous bioelectric field. He's pretty much a textbook case of all the things that will fuck up a transporter: a point brought up before in this thread and which you have conspicuously chosen to ignore, fucktard.
No, a fucktard is one who points out someone is talking about the wrong Godzilla and then in the same sentence points out errors in assumptions about the Godzilla he wasn't talking about or even knows anything about.

It's wrong to be consistent, shithead? Unlike you? Or to notice that it's only reasonable to be do a "vs" comparison with a Godzilla who can't be taken down by a single US Air Force fighter, despite your desperate bullfuckery and attempts to pretend that any rational person could have interpreted this thread in any other way?

What the fuck do you contribute around here anyway, other than ignorance and Borg fan-wanking? I'd really like to know. What is your particular area of expertise, Walper? What is it that people would miss about you if you were gone tomorrow? Please tell me, I'm dying to know. When you ran away from the board in a hissy-fit a while ago, did anyone care? Hell, if you were run over by a bus in real-life tomorrow, who but your parents would even give a fuck?

Robert Walper · Post by **Robert Walper** » 2004-12-12 03:02pm

Darth Wong wrote: Hey dipshit, the most recent films are actually from Japan as well. And it's not exactly obscure pop culture knowledge that the ORIGINAL and therefore most valid fucking Godzilla is the Japanese version, you worthless sophistic shit-eating dishonest little ass-turd fucktard.

So I assumed the OP was talking about the Godzilla I'm familar with. Sue me.

And just after denying that there was any way of knowing which one is more valid, you admit that the "original" one is, of course, the Japanese one. Not to mention the fact that everyone else here was obviously talking about the Japanese one.

So the old one is more valid? Based upon what? I knew next to nothing about Godzilla until I saw the Americanized version, and haven't watched anything similar since. When the OP mentioned Godzilla, I naturally assumed it was talking about the one I'd seen. All the extra abilities I was reading about I assumed were from some comic books or such of the movie in question. Similar to how other sci fi shows have other sources of expanded material, like Trek, Wars, etc.

It's wrong to be consistent, shithead? Unlike you? Or to notice that it's only reasonable to be do a "vs" comparison with a Godzilla who can't be taken down by a single US Air Force fighter, despite your desperate bullfuckery and attempts to pretend that any rational person could have interpreted this thread in any other way?

Victim of my own ignorance I guess. Wouldn't be the first time sci fi's have been pitted against a seemingly inferior opponent and yet still have trouble winning. Particularily Star Trek.

What the fuck do you contribute around here anyway, other than ignorance and Borg fan-wanking? I'd really like to know. What is your particular area of expertise, Walper?

Never claimed to have one. I wouldn't call fanboy knowledge about some sci fi concept really a object of serious "expertise".

What is it that people would miss about you if you were gone tomorrow? Please tell me, I'm dying to know. When you ran away from the board in a hissy-fit a while ago, did anyone care? Hell, if you were run over by a bus in real-life tomorrow, who but your parents would even give a fuck?

You know Mike, if you really want me to leave your board, you seriously need only to ask. I like SDN and would like to stick around, but there's really no need for you to go trying to get a reaction out of me by making a childish attempt to poke fun at my personal life you know nothing about.

brianeyci · Post by **brianeyci** » 2004-12-12 03:08pm

Darth Wong wrote:What the fuck do you contribute around here anyway, other than ignorance

I know this is addressed to Walper, but I would like to respond as well. I have no "area of expertise" and am just a 20-year-old who stumbled on your board while searching on google for some obscure Star Trek fact (actually a roundabout way, though DS's page then to you).

I'm glad I did find your board DW. Right now I'm taking more away from it than I'm giving back, maininly that I've realized that I have a long way to go before I am competent intellectually. So I now reply to what I can, and am in the process of remaking my thinking process and my life. It is more a take-take than take-give for me now. Eventually when I become enlightened, I will be able to contribute, but that will take awhile (on the order of months + years). Look, imagine living your whole life thinking you're on top of things and then realizing you are a moron. That is what happened to me, and if I didn't find your board I would probably have kept being a moron my whole life.

Hell, if you were run over by a bus in real-life tomorrow, who but your parents would even give a fuck?

Walper did welcome me to the board when I first showed up through a pm. (along with a couple others). Walper is not a DS, and concedes points (the triaxillate point most recently) and doesn't use WOI. Borg-fanwanking eg giving the Borg the benefit of the doubt isn't so bad IMO.

If the above was addressed to me (which I realize it isn't), I would respond by saying that my mom is one of the only five or six people who really give a fuck about my life anyway, so if I subscribed to the philosophy of other people giving a fuck about me, I would shortly collaspe and commit suicide

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Brian

Bellator · Post by **Bellator** » 2004-12-12 06:30pm

Hell, if you were run over by a bus in real-life tomorrow, who but your parents would even give a fuck?

That's pretty low.

Jon · Post by **Jon** » 2004-12-12 06:33pm

Bellator wrote:
Hell, if you were run over by a bus in real-life tomorrow, who but your parents would even give a fuck?
That's pretty low.

Welcome to the site!

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2004-12-12 06:46pm

Robert Walper wrote:So I assumed the OP was talking about the Godzilla I'm familar with. Sue me.

Let me rephrase that: "so I posted in a thread where I don't know anything about 90% of the source material, because that's just the way I am."

So the old one is more valid? Based upon what?

Based on the fact that it's the only one even REMOTELY useful for this discussion, shithead. Why the fuck would there be any point even bothering to discuss a Godzilla incarnation that can be taken out by a fighter plane, you idiot? Ooooh, do you think a Federation starship can deal out more damage than an F-14? What the fuck kind of idiot would interpret the question that way, other than you?

It's wrong to be consistent, shithead? Unlike you? Or to notice that it's only reasonable to be do a "vs" comparison with a Godzilla who can't be taken down by a single US Air Force fighter, despite your desperate bullfuckery and attempts to pretend that any rational person could have interpreted this thread in any other way?
Victim of my own ignorance I guess. Wouldn't be the first time sci fi's have been pitted against a seemingly inferior opponent and yet still have trouble winning. Particularily Star Trek.

You know, for once, it would be nice if you actually tried to evaluate whether you were knowledgeable enough to discuss the subject BEFORE posting in it. Not to mention paying attention to what everyone ELSE around you is talking about, moron. Shouldn't it have set off some alarm bell in your head when everyone else seemed to be talking about some kind of uber-dangerous radioactive self-regenerating Godzilla? Or do you think it's unreasonable to expect people to pay attention when they participate in a thread?

What the fuck do you contribute around here anyway, other than ignorance and Borg fan-wanking? I'd really like to know. What is your particular area of expertise, Walper?
Never claimed to have one. I wouldn't call fanboy knowledge about some sci fi concept really a object of serious "expertise".

Correct, and since you appear to have little or no real-life knowledge to contribute, you should at least be more cautious about pontificating at length only in sci-fi threads where you actually know the fucking subject, moron. What part of this do you not understand?

What is it that people would miss about you if you were gone tomorrow? Please tell me, I'm dying to know. When you ran away from the board in a hissy-fit a while ago, did anyone care? Hell, if you were run over by a bus in real-life tomorrow, who but your parents would even give a fuck?
You know Mike, if you really want me to leave your board, you seriously need only to ask.

If I wanted you to leave the board, you would not be here.

I like SDN and would like to stick around, but there's really no need for you to go trying to get a reaction out of me by making a childish attempt to poke fun at my personal life you know nothing about.

What part of the site motto did you find incomprehensible?

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2004-12-12 06:48pm

Bellator wrote:
Hell, if you were run over by a bus in real-life tomorrow, who but your parents would even give a fuck?
That's pretty low.

Ask me if I give a fuck. Walper is tolerable until he gets uppity, and he chose to get uppity in this thread. On this board, you do not pretend you know a subject unless you really do. That's a simple concept, and people who don't get it will be flamed to a crisp. If you don't like that, you shouldn't have signed up; it shouldn't come as a surprise unless you're fucking blind and can't read the site motto at the top of the screen.

Bellator · Post by **Bellator** » 2004-12-12 08:05pm

Ask me if I give a fuck. Walper is tolerable until he gets uppity, and he chose to get uppity in this thread. On this board, you do not pretend you know a subject unless you really do. That's a simple concept, and people who don't get it will be flamed to a crisp. If you don't like that, you shouldn't have signed up; it shouldn't come as a surprise unless you're fucking blind and can't read the site motto at the top of the screen.

I love a good flame as well as the next guy, but obviously not everyone has the same limits. So be it. I'm not your mum, and it is your site. I stand notified.

Robert Walper · Post by **Robert Walper** » 2004-12-12 09:45pm

Darth Wong wrote:*snip*

*sigh* Alright, I'm guilty of being ignorant on this subject and vastly inadaquate to contribute anything worthwhile on this subject. I apologize to all concerned. I'll make an effort to be more cautious in what threads I participate in and pay more attention to insure I'm not ruining everyone else's threads with misconceptions and ignorance.

Post by **Kuja** » 2004-12-12 11:20pm

Robert Walper wrote:I'll make an effort to be more cautious in what threads I participate in and pay more attention to insure I'm not ruining everyone else's threads with misconceptions and ignorance.

Haven't you ended three or four past threads by making a vow similar to this one?

Sonnenburg · Post by **Sonnenburg** » 2004-12-12 11:24pm

You misspelled "inadequate." Also, it's not really an appropriate word for the context... replacing "vastly inadaquate" with "incapable" would problem be better. Might want to consider replacing "insure" with "ensure" too; although it is acceptible usage, "insure" conjures up imagines of taking out insurance, which while being a useful policy to offer members of a board, could wind up leading to financial ruin very quickly. Also, while its usage has been commonplace for more than a century, "alright" is considered by many as a misspelling, in case you want to consider that for future posts. Just, you know, FYI...

Robert Walper · Post by **Robert Walper** » 2004-12-12 11:31pm

Kuja wrote:
Robert Walper wrote:I'll make an effort to be more cautious in what threads I participate in and pay more attention to insure I'm not ruining everyone else's threads with misconceptions and ignorance.
Haven't you ended three or four past threads by making a vow similar to this one?

Well, you see, I own the Godzilla DVD in question (watched it a couple times) so I thought I certainly was qualified to comment on it. My mistake.

At any rate, this is quickly turning into a thread jack.

Robert Walper · Post by **Robert Walper** » 2004-12-12 11:37pm

Sonnenburg wrote:You misspelled "inadequate." Also, it's not really an appropriate word for the context... replacing "vastly inadaquate" with "incapable" would problem be better. Might want to consider replacing "insure" with "ensure" too; although it is acceptible usage, "insure" conjures up imagines of taking out insurance, which while being a useful policy to offer members of a board, could wind up leading to financial ruin very quickly. Also, while its usage has been commonplace for more than a century, "alright" is considered by many as a misspelling, in case you want to consider that for future posts. Just, you know, FYI...

I can't resist...I presume you're really joking...

Sonnenburg · Post by **Sonnenburg** » 2004-12-13 12:12am

Robert Walper wrote: I can't resist...I presume you're really joking...

Yes, very good, I think Mike may have to take back that "ass-turd fucktard" remark now.

Sarevok · Post by **Sarevok** » 2004-12-13 04:15am

Just a speculation. Godzilla is organic. Since phasers are very effective against organic matter the Galaxy's main phaser arrays might be able to NDF him out of existence.