Magestorm Allgoode

Darth Servo · Post by **Darth Servo** » 2004-12-19 05:41pm

Meest wrote:But he's a horror writer on a forum that doesn't work, well for me it's a broken link. How can his word not possibly be taken as fact .

Well, considering how the debate at his forum constantly goes off topic from "who would defeat who" to "which is more entertaining" and "what about this other sci-fi series" and "which is more realistic" shows what the typical intelligence level is like over there.

Nieztchean Uber-Amoeba · Post by **Nieztchean Uber-Amoeba** » 2004-12-19 06:41pm

Magestorm, on his own board, whined that because he got a lot of e-mails from Wong, he doesn't accept any of Wong's calculations.

Batman · Post by **Batman** » 2004-12-19 06:46pm

Nieztchean Uber-Amoeba wrote:Magestorm, on his own board, whined that because he got a lot of e-mails from Wong, he doesn't accept any of Wong's calculations.

"He writes to me a lot therefore he's wrong?"

That's moronic even by moron standards...

Nieztchean Uber-Amoeba · Post by **Nieztchean Uber-Amoeba** » 2004-12-19 07:01pm

Batman wrote:
Nieztchean Uber-Amoeba wrote:Magestorm, on his own board, whined that because he got a lot of e-mails from Wong, he doesn't accept any of Wong's calculations.
"He writes to me a lot therefore he's wrong?"

That's moronic even by moron standards...

And he's a mod on his board. To quote from Kill Bill,

"If you were the General, I'd be the Emperor!"

Nieztchean Uber-Amoeba · Post by **Nieztchean Uber-Amoeba** » 2004-12-19 08:10pm

Quote by= Magestorm Allgoode

And ONE e-mail? Nononono!!!!! This was 5 go rounds. He simply got nastier and nastier about it, instead of rationally going over why he felt I was wrong. Therefore, I totally discount him, his website, and the source material his site uses (Incredible Cross Sections).

That's the relevant part of his rant. He later admits that he has no degree.

Snipped from +http://www.raptorman.us/forum/viewtopic ... 4&start=75

So, who wants to go on a totally non-board run invasion which is in no way endorsed by the mods, supermods, and admins here to lay the Imperial Smackdown?

Darth Servo · Post by **Darth Servo** » 2004-12-19 09:18pm

Nieztchean Uber-Amoeba wrote:So, who wants to go on a totally non-board run invasion which is in no way endorsed by the mods, supermods, and admins here to lay the Imperial Smackdown?

I'm already posting there.

And he says he's gone five rounds with Mike. Can't wait to have Mike post the rest so I can shove it all down his throat.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2004-12-19 09:24pm

The cowardly little ass-wipe is lying. He did not respond to my second rebuttal, and there were certainly no "5 rounds". This thing went 2 rounds, and then he threw in the towel. Utterly pathetic; he's making excuses for getting horribly ass-raped and then running away.

Hey Magestorm, since you chose to ignore my second E-mail and run away like the pathetic, ignorant sniveling little coward that you are, I have some advice for you: go to Chinatown, buy a dead chicken, cut out its backbone and its skull, and then use them to replace your own. It will be a huge fucking upgrade.

Feel free to point the lying little shit to this thread.

Nieztchean Uber-Amoeba · Post by **Nieztchean Uber-Amoeba** » 2004-12-20 10:48am

I wonder if I want to give him the Imperial Smackdown or the Spam Treatment?

XaLEv · Post by **XaLEv** » 2004-12-20 11:10am

All of Darth Servo's posts there (four that I know of) have been deleted. I have copies saved, though.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2004-12-20 11:11am

What a shock: Cowardstorm displays his abject cowardice once more.

Ma Deuce · Post by **Ma Deuce** » 2004-12-20 11:14am

Nieztchean Uber-Amoeba wrote:I wonder if I want to give him the Imperial Smackdown or the Spam Treatment?

Give him the smackdown, because spam is bad, mkay?

Darth Servo · Post by **Darth Servo** » 2004-12-20 02:33pm

XaLEv wrote:All of Darth Servo's posts there (four that I know of) have been deleted. I have copies saved, though.

Not just deleted. I've been banned.

Rightous Fist Of Heaven · Post by **Rightous Fist Of Heaven** » 2004-12-20 04:33pm

Darth Servo wrote:
XaLEv wrote:All of Darth Servo's posts there (four that I know of) have been deleted. I have copies saved, though.
Not just deleted. I've been banned.

For what reason exactly?

Batman · Post by **Batman** » 2004-12-20 04:37pm

Rightous Fist Of Heaven wrote:
Darth Servo wrote:
XaLEv wrote:All of Darth Servo's posts there (four that I know of) have been deleted. I have copies saved, though.
Not just deleted. I've been banned.
For what reason exactly?

Bastard was propably making sense. Major offense on some boards.

Nieztchean Uber-Amoeba · Post by **Nieztchean Uber-Amoeba** » 2004-12-20 04:44pm

Batman wrote:
Rightous Fist Of Heaven wrote:
Darth Servo wrote:Not just deleted. I've been banned.
For what reason exactly?
Bastard was propably making sense. Major offense on some boards.

A board about zombies, with morons for mods. Do the math.

Darth Servo · Post by **Darth Servo** » 2004-12-20 04:55pm

Rightous Fist Of Heaven wrote:
Darth Servo wrote:
XaLEv wrote:All of Darth Servo's posts there (four that I know of) have been deleted. I have copies saved, though.
Not just deleted. I've been banned.
For what reason exactly?

They haven't said yet. I contacted the admin but haven't heard anything back from him.

Praxis · Post by **Praxis** » 2004-12-20 05:09pm

ROFL!

I especially loved this line...

A gigaton weapon would be 20 times that, creating a blast aproximately 500km, and cause thermal effects as far as 2000km. This would be a worldkiller event, causing worldwide effects.

This guy never got past pre-algebra, did he...

Rightous Fist Of Heaven · Post by **Rightous Fist Of Heaven** » 2004-12-21 02:21am

Darth Servo wrote:
Rightous Fist Of Heaven wrote:
Darth Servo wrote:Not just deleted. I've been banned.
For what reason exactly?
They haven't said yet. I contacted the admin but haven't heard anything back from him.

Dont hold your breath, I figure they will pretty much go into Total Ignore mode from now on in. Oh well, this isnt too supprising when considering that yes this is a board about zombies and populated by idiots such as this Magestorm here. Though, this board sounds even WORSE than Darky's sad attempt of a forum or that other place that popped up a while ago.

brianeyci · Post by **brianeyci** » 2004-12-21 02:23am

Holy shit DW, after reading that I understand why you were pissed at me before for asking simple physics questions. At least I admitted to not knowing certain concepts and asked for help, this guy looks like he actually thinks he knows what he's talking about, incredibly scary. If you encounter people like this all the time through your e-mail...

I didn't know the google scholar thing could be so fucking bad holy crap.

Brian

Kreshna Aryaguna Nurzaman · Post by **Kreshna Aryaguna Nurzaman** » 2004-12-21 05:09am

Another moron is WileECoyote. I guess his posts are self-explanatory:

WileECoyote wrote:The fact is, the writers of both SW and ST are FANS OF THE STORIES! When that ST writer wrote "Lasers? That won't even scratch our navigation shields." He was one-upping his Star Wars buddies. When the writers created Incredible Cross-Sections, they were one-upping their Star Trek buddies.

"We're better than you cause we can write new and bigger cannon rules!"

His second post is actually better, since, in his attempt of refuse the fact that SW outguns ST by magnitudes, he practially admitted the, ahem, 'extremely limitation' of ST strategy!

WileECoyote wrote:
Jeedai wrote:
The fact is, the writers of both SW and ST are FANS OF THE STORIES! When that ST writer wrote "Lasers? That won't even scratch our navigation shields." He was one-upping his Star Wars buddies. When the writers created Incredible Cross-Sections, they were one-upping their Star Trek buddies.

"We're better than you cause we can write new and bigger cannon rules!"
Appeal to motive fallacy. I'm sure you could read ALL their minds when they wrote the books.

Besides, who cares if they're fans? Lucas still approves their novels, books, etc. as canon. Plus, the canon rules have been pretty clear. There is ONE overall continuity for Star Wars EU and the movies (except for Infinities). I don't see them try and keep warping the canon policy so it will provide evidence to beat Star Trek.
What you have is two different approaches to creating cannon.

Gene Roddenberry consulted with JPL, NASA, etc. and asked them "What's the reasonable next step in our technological evolution?" For as long as he was actively involved in the creation of Star Trek stories, he started from that basis and then took a few leaps for the sake of a good story. (I won't even speculate on the disaster that is the Rodman/Bergman Star Drek.)

George Lucas leaped straight into fantasy. His story is set "In a galaxy far, far away" and "long, long ago". All the weapons and special effects from the original trilogy were selected and created for the sole purposes of how cool they looked on the screen and how well they fit into the story. The technological explanations came along LATER from engineers, physicists and writers who love the movies. Lucas, being the good businessman he is, is more than happy to accept and adopt a good explanation.

So, do I think SW would kick ST's ass? Yup. But, not because of all the pysics analyses of movie special effects, but because the military strategies demonstrated by Star Trek are extremely limited while Star Wars has shown some impressive large scale battle strategies, such as the Imperial assault on Hoth and the Rebel attack on the 2nd Death Star. Compare that with Wolf 359 or the major battles of the Dominion War, and ST comes up short.

If we leap to the baseless assumption that a phaser and a turbolaser have equal output and a photon torpedo and a proton torpedo have the same yield, and both sides had an equal number of ships, SW would win on shear strategy.

brianeyci · Post by **brianeyci** » 2004-12-21 11:02am

Kreshna Aryaguna Nurzaman wrote:Another moron is WileECoyote. I guess his posts are self-explanatory:

Well, after reading them it doesn't seem to be that he's taking one side or the other. If he admits that SW could kick ST's ass, I don't see why he isn't on the Wars side anyway. Unless he's basing his assumption about the "lasers" thing being an attempt by ST writers to beat SW on nothing. He doesn't really seem like a moron to me, just doesn't play by the same rules eg., suspension of disbelief etc., if somebody pointed him out to this he might change his tune, sounds like he's taking the "literary" approach.

Brian

Kreshna Aryaguna Nurzaman · Post by **Kreshna Aryaguna Nurzaman** » 2004-12-21 11:16am

brianeyci wrote:
Kreshna Aryaguna Nurzaman wrote:Another moron is WileECoyote. I guess his posts are self-explanatory:
Well, after reading them it doesn't seem to be that he's taking one side or the other. If he admits that SW could kick ST's ass, I don't see why he isn't on the Wars side anyway. Unless he's basing his assumption about the "lasers" thing being an attempt by ST writers to beat SW on nothing. He doesn't really seem like a moron to me, just doesn't play by the same rules eg., suspension of disbelief etc., if somebody pointed him out to this he might change his tune, sounds like he's taking the "literary" approach.

Brian

I believe the approach he's been taking is "appeal to motive".

Kreshna Aryaguna Nurzaman · Post by **Kreshna Aryaguna Nurzaman** » 2004-12-21 11:20am

GAH! Where's the edit button? By the way, if he's really using literary approach, why did he conveniently forget that Lucas's intention is writing a universe encompasses an entire galaxy for thousands years, while Roddenberry's intention is merely fictional space-faring adventures in near future, which make it safe to assume SW tech is better than ST?

brianeyci · Post by **brianeyci** » 2004-12-21 12:23pm

Kreshna Aryaguna Nurzaman wrote:GAH! Where's the edit button? By the way, if he's really using literary approach, why did he conveniently forget that Lucas's intention is writing a universe encompasses an entire galaxy for thousands years, while Roddenberry's intention is merely fictional space-faring adventures in near future, which make it safe to assume SW tech is better than ST?

Dunno. That seems like a slippery slope anyway. You can have something taking place in the near future, but kicking ass. You can have something encompassing an entire galaxy for thousands of years, but sucking.

The only way these lines of reasoning would work anyway is if he had quotations, say from the writer that wrote the script to the "Outrageous O" episode saying "Haha, this should shut up those stupid warsies" or something, otherwise it seems an exercise in futility to guess the writer's intentions.

Brian

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2004-12-21 12:31pm

The writer's intentions are a fucking RED HERRING. Even if it were true, so what? Suppose some guy makes up a sci-fi universe in which the ships were deliberately designed for the exclusive purpose of beating up on both Star Wars and Star Trek. Would this mean that the ships of this fictional universe are NOT actually that powerful? Of course not. You may think it's a stupid idea to make a sci-fi series just for that kind of puerile reason, but it doesn't change the nature of what was created.