deathstar enterprise comparison pic

Jay · Post by **Jay** » 2005-01-24 11:32am

If the Enterprise is so small, can't it outmanuvere the DS weapons fire?

I'm sure the enterprise could out maneuver a single turbolaser battery, (though thats probably open to debate) but the DS doesn't just have one battery. It has hundreds of thousands. Imagine yourself to be standing on a beach, when a great wave of sizzling green death comes hurtling towards you. You have to run several thousand times your own body length to get away in any directing. Left, right, up or down. Chances are, you're going to get wet....or in the enterprise's case - dead.

Jay · Post by **Jay** » 2005-01-24 11:39am

I'm sure the enterprise could out maneuver a single turbolaser battery,

Now that I come to think of it, a single turbolaser battery can hit a tiny-little starfighter, engaged in some hard meneuvering. I serously doubt that a 600-meter long beach whale would be anything but easy pickings for an imperial sharp-shooter.

Anarchist Bunny · Post by **Anarchist Bunny** » 2005-01-24 11:40am

Praxis wrote:Did I do my math right? (It's early in the morning, I may have screwed up)
Feel free to point out any screwups in my math.

uhhh well 3 x 3 = 9, 3 x 3 x 3 = 27

The Original Nex · Post by **The Original Nex** » 2005-01-24 12:00pm

Um, the DS2 is 900km in diameter not 800, as of "Inside the Worlds of the Star Wars Trilogy"

brianeyci · Post by **brianeyci** » 2005-01-24 01:03pm

jasonicusuk wrote:Now that I come to think of it, a single turbolaser battery can hit a tiny-little starfighter, engaged in some hard meneuvering. I serously doubt that a 600-meter long beach whale would be anything but easy pickings for an imperial sharp-shooter.

Unless turbolaser battery servos can track a target at warp, Ent-E could probably avoid getting hit by DS2 turbolaser batteries.

Of course the question then becomes what happens if the Ent-E comes into range. Pulverized.

Also if DS2 really, really wants to kill Ent-E by itself, go to hyperspace, and come out of hyperspace right on top of the Ent-E, no amount of maneuvering will be able to avoid so much concentrated fire, particularly if a single hit can obliterate the Ent-E.

And if Ent-E was in range, it wouldn't matter how inaccurate the fire was, you could just bracket the Ent-E with hundreds of turbolaser shots and it would be annihilated even if it could outmaneuver a single turbolaser.

Brian

Jay · Post by **Jay** » 2005-01-24 01:24pm

Unless turbolaser battery servos can track a target at warp, Ent-E could probably avoid getting hit by DS2 turbolaser batteries.

I presumed the two vessels were fighting, suggesting slower-than-light-speeds. I admit warp strafeing can be brought up here, but even if such a thing were possible, it would still be bows and arrows against the lightning.

And if Ent-E was in range, it wouldn't matter how inaccurate the fire was, you could just bracket the Ent-E with hundreds of turbolaser shots and it would be annihilated even if it could outmaneuver a single turbolaser.

I covered that with my first post, or did you miss the bit about 'inescapable wave of sizzling green death?'

Lord Revan · Post by **Lord Revan** » 2005-01-24 01:36pm

jasonicusuk wrote:

Unless turbolaser battery servos can track a target at warp, Ent-E could probably avoid getting hit by DS2 turbolaser batteries.
I presumed the two vessels were fighting, suggesting slower-than-light-speeds. I admit warp strafeing can be brought up here, but even if such a thing were possible, it would still be bows and arrows against the lightning.

And if Ent-E was in range, it wouldn't matter how inaccurate the fire was, you could just bracket the Ent-E with hundreds of turbolaser shots and it would be annihilated even if it could outmaneuver a single turbolaser.
I covered that with my first post, or did you miss the bit about 'inescapable wave of sizzling green death?'

Well Warp strafing has not been against DS9 (true that DS2 bigger target, but I have never heard of any situation were warp strafe has been used or considered). So it's safe to assume that Warp strafing is trekkie fantasy and if the E-E used the Picard Manouver they would probaly be captured by DS2 tractorbeams (and we know what would happen after that.)

Post by **Ghost Rider** » 2005-01-24 01:36pm

Just as a note...Turbolasers can hit X-Wings which are immensly more manuverable then the Ent-E.

SirNitram · Post by **SirNitram** » 2005-01-24 02:16pm

Robert Walper wrote:
DaveJB wrote:Assuming I haven't screwed up my sums (read: I probably have), the DS2 has a volume 7.9E7 times bigger than the Borg Cube!
And according to my calculations, the Dyson sphere has 1.953 thousand trillion times the volume of the Death Star. In other words, the difference in size between the Death Star and Dyson Sphere is 17.9 million times greater in scale than the size difference between the Death Star and Borg cube. HA!

The Death Star has a speed in the millions of times lightspeed, a weapon that can destroy Earth-type planets with millions of times the required energy, and combat capabilities.

What's the Dyson Sphere got again? Oh yea: A failing star. Aren't you special.

Post by **Ghost Rider** » 2005-01-24 02:22pm

SirNitram wrote:
Robert Walper wrote:
DaveJB wrote:Assuming I haven't screwed up my sums (read: I probably have), the DS2 has a volume 7.9E7 times bigger than the Borg Cube!
And according to my calculations, the Dyson sphere has 1.953 thousand trillion times the volume of the Death Star. In other words, the difference in size between the Death Star and Dyson Sphere is 17.9 million times greater in scale than the size difference between the Death Star and Borg cube. HA!
The Death Star has a speed in the millions of times lightspeed, a weapon that can destroy Earth-type planets with millions of times the required energy, and combat capabilities.

What's the Dyson Sphere got again? Oh yea: A failing star. Aren't you special.

But Nitram...this is his way of penis compensation

.

Post by **Kuja** » 2005-01-24 02:51pm

And the Dyson Sphere is empty. It's a balloon, not a bowling ball.

Post by **Kuja** » 2005-01-24 02:52pm

I wanted to say beach ball instead of balloon but what the hell.

Mange · Post by **Mange** » 2005-01-24 04:23pm

Who cares about that fucking Dyson sphere anyway? It was build and abandoned, and its builders perhaps became extinct or something. Either way, it doesn't have any relevancy whatsoever.

Jon · Post by **Jon** » 2005-01-24 04:54pm

The Death Star II boggles the mind. How quickly are they supossed to have even half built that thing? Lucas must have been wanking hard when he made that.

CJvR · Post by **CJvR** » 2005-01-24 05:00pm

LOL!
I had to clean the screen to even see the Galaxy. If it hadn't been for the text I would never have noticed it!!!
The DS is insane... :twisted:

Enforcer Talen · Post by **Enforcer Talen** » 2005-01-24 05:20pm

Jon wrote:The Death Star II boggles the mind. How quickly are they supossed to have even half built that thing? Lucas must have been wanking hard when he made that.

6 months. star wars is *big*.

Tribun · Post by **Tribun** » 2005-01-24 05:24pm

Jon wrote:The Death Star II boggles the mind. How quickly are they supossed to have even half built that thing? Lucas must have been wanking hard when he made that.

I gets even better if you know two details of the construction:

1.)Everything was shipped secretly to Endor just by Xizor's shipping company.
2.)They mostly transported just raw material that was transformed into the parts for DS-II directly at construction site.

Praxis · Post by **Praxis** » 2005-01-24 06:43pm

JeanLucPicard wrote:holy pistachios!

that scale picture is incredible, I never realized that the Enterprise was that small in comparision to the DS. But something comes to mind (tell me if I should make another thread on this...). If the Enterprise is so small, can't it outmanuvere the DS weapons fire?

Not when the entire surface is completely covered in weapons. There are far more weapons per square kilometer on the surface than the Enterprise has.

Several hundred thousand turbolasers are enough to cover it, don't you think?

Praxis · Post by **Praxis** » 2005-01-24 06:43pm

Anarchist Bunny wrote:
Praxis wrote:Did I do my math right? (It's early in the morning, I may have screwed up)
Feel free to point out any screwups in my math.
uhhh well 3 x 3 = 9, 3 x 3 x 3 = 27

Doh!

Darth Fanboy · Post by **Darth Fanboy** » 2005-01-25 12:36am

Why does it matter that the Dyson Sphere is bigger? Until you strap a friggin' superlaser to it then la dee dah. Gimmie some Alderaan fragging, Capital Ship wasting, galaxy scaring, emerald green hellfire any day of the week.

*Tim Allen Grunt*

Robert Walper · Post by **Robert Walper** » 2005-01-25 02:05am

SirNitram wrote: The Death Star has a speed in the millions of times lightspeed, a weapon that can destroy Earth-type planets with millions of times the required energy, and combat capabilities.

What's the Dyson Sphere got again? Oh yea: A failing star. Aren't you special.

Aww...upset the Death Star ain't so big after all compared to some Trek structures? The point was size comparison, not capabilities.

Robert Walper · Post by **Robert Walper** » 2005-01-25 02:06am

Ghost Rider wrote: But Nitram...this is his way of penis compensation .

And the Death Star isn't?

Robert Walper · Post by **Robert Walper** » 2005-01-25 02:07am

Darth Fanboy wrote:Why does it matter that the Dyson Sphere is bigger?

What does it matter that the Death Star is bigger?

Rogue 9 · Post by **Rogue 9** » 2005-01-25 02:28am

Robert Walper wrote:
Darth Fanboy wrote:Why does it matter that the Dyson Sphere is bigger?
What does it matter that the Death Star is bigger?

It doesn't. What matters is the firepower the thing packs. Since the Dyson Sphere has no weapons that I'm aware of, it's size doesn't matter in the least to a military engagement. Nor does the Death Star's, except insofar as it's bulk makes the number of weapons it mounts possible.

Utsanomiko · Post by **Utsanomiko** » 2005-01-25 03:10am

Mange the Swede wrote:Who cares about that fucking Dyson sphere anyway? It was build and abandoned, and its builders perhaps became extinct or something. Either way, it doesn't have any relevancy whatsoever.

Because our Resident Whore is so desperate to wank over a victory from something in field of whoring he's willing to pull up the most irrelevant examples available. Properly-developed people accept that 'their stuff' can't be best at everything and have enough social sense to shut up about it.

I suspect that he (as always) is so detached from the idea that the internet involves intteracting with people it doesn't occur to him that when real people read the crap he writes for his self-deluded chest-puffing they think 'what a fucking tool', as opposed to 'hahaha wow, that's hilarious and brilliant and we think you're as great as you pretend you are'.