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Techno_Union · Post by **Techno_Union** » 2005-01-26 04:09pm

Lord Zentei wrote: 1 proton torpedo = 610 gigatons, you see. Almost 10000 times a photon torpedo. Yes, that is an outrageously high figure. It's still canon, though.

Where is this number from? I've been looking for a yield for the proton torp but never found one... *ponders.*

Darth Servo · Post by **Darth Servo** » 2005-01-26 04:35pm

Techno_Union wrote:
Lord Zentei wrote: 1 proton torpedo = 610 gigatons, you see. Almost 10000 times a photon torpedo. Yes, that is an outrageously high figure. It's still canon, though.
Where is this number from? I've been looking for a yield for the proton torp but never found one... *ponders.*

Don't you know that Trekkie fan wanking is considered canon?

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Darth Servo · Post by **Darth Servo** » 2005-01-26 04:36pm

Darth Servo wrote:
Techno_Union wrote:
Lord Zentei wrote: 1 proton torpedo = 610 gigatons, you see. Almost 10000 times a photon torpedo. Yes, that is an outrageously high figure. It's still canon, though.
Where is this number from? I've been looking for a yield for the proton torp but never found one... *ponders.*
Don't you know that Trekkie fan wanking is considered canon?

[/sarcasm]

oops. I misread the post.

Elfdart · Post by **Elfdart** » 2005-01-26 09:28pm

Q would beat Sidious with his lisp.

Kreshna Aryaguna Nurzaman · Post by **Kreshna Aryaguna Nurzaman** » 2005-01-27 09:53am

Elfdart wrote:Q would beat Sidious with his lisp.

Like Q beat, uh, Sisko?

Junghalli · Post by **Junghalli** » 2005-01-27 04:34pm

Solauren wrote:Remove the God-races from Star Trek, and you told toss the combined military forces of ALL OF STAR TREK (and I'm counting the Voth, the Borg, Starfleet, the Klingons, the Romulans, Ferengi, Gorn, Tholian, Kazon, Krenium with Timeship, the First Federation, the Doomsday machine, the Kelvan Empire from Andromeda, a resurrected Tkon Empire, a resurrected Iconian Empire, and ever one else) at a single Super Star Destroyer or Star Destroyer squadron, and the Star Destroyer squadron would slaughter them all without any effort.

Huh? WTF? The Kelvans RULED A GALAXY twice the size of our own! I can appreciate not wanting to put them in the vs. debate because they'd be highly unlikely to ever come into the picture and their capabilities are mostly unknown, but IIRC they ARE a galactic empire. If anybody in the Trekverse could defeat the Empire in a stand-up fight it would be them.

Junghalli · Post by **Junghalli** » 2005-01-27 05:01pm

Destructionator XIII wrote:Sure, they had some impressive technology, but they also lacked the understanding required to defeat the Empire, seing how easily Kirk and co. bested them.

I got the impression they controlled Andromeda, I might be wrong.
And Kirk psyched them out because they weren't used to being in human bodies and couldn't handle the emotions and feelings that came along with that. What does that have to do with their military capabilities?

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2005-01-27 05:08pm

Junghalli wrote:I got the impression they controlled Andromeda, I might be wrong.

You are. They said nothing of the sort.

Elfdart · Post by **Elfdart** » 2005-01-27 08:55pm

Kreshna Aryaguna Nurzaman wrote:
Elfdart wrote:Q would beat Sidious with his lisp.
Like Q beat, uh, Sisko?

No. Palps would be at a disadvantage because he'd be rolling on the floor as Q says "Prepare to die THIDIOUTH!" Then Q could use a phaser or pepperspray or something.

Solauren · Post by **Solauren** » 2005-01-27 09:26pm

Elfdart wrote:
Kreshna Aryaguna Nurzaman wrote:
Elfdart wrote:Q would beat Sidious with his lisp.
Like Q beat, uh, Sisko?
No. Palps would be at a disadvantage because he'd be rolling on the floor as Q says "Prepare to die THIDIOUTH!" Then Q could use a phaser or pepperspray or something.

You do know how STUPID that sounds, right?

Darth Yoshi · Post by **Darth Yoshi** » 2005-01-27 09:59pm

Darth_Zod wrote:it could simply be explained away as manifestations of the force in different fashions. jedi/sith manifestations of force powers are the result of thousands of years of doctrination and rote use. while beings in other universes/galaxies/etc don't manifest in the same way due to lack of indoctrination and exposure to jedi/sith dogma regarding how the force is supposed to work. course this is merely speculation.

Quite true. The Aing-Tii monks in Star Wars were stated to be Force-adepts, but the one example of Force use as the Aing-Tii would do it involved teleporting a container from another room. Completely unlike anything the Jedi or Sith have ever done. So who's to say that the races with telepathy or other such powers in ST are not simply using the Force as it is manifested in ST?

*tries continuing, but is distracted by Morrigan avatar*

brianeyci · Post by **brianeyci** » 2005-01-27 10:03pm

Darth Yoshi wrote:So who's to say that the races with telepathy or other such powers in ST are not simply using the Force as it is manifested in ST?

*tries continuing, but is distracted by Morrigan avatar*

Because The Force is not how races in ST do telepathy. There's more than one way to have innate mental powers.

Brian

Batman · Post by **Batman** » 2005-01-27 10:28pm

Because The Force is not how races in ST do telepathy.

As evidenced by what?

There's more than one way to have innate mental powers.

Agreed. Evidence that the way Trek people do it is incompatible with the Force?

Rogue 9 · Post by **Rogue 9** » 2005-01-27 10:49pm

Batman wrote:Agreed. Evidence that the way Trek people do it is incompatible with the Force?

You're asking him to prove a negative.

Elfdart · Post by **Elfdart** » 2005-01-27 11:12pm

Solauren wrote:
Elfdart wrote:
Kreshna Aryaguna Nurzaman wrote: Like Q beat, uh, Sisko?
No. Palps would be at a disadvantage because he'd be rolling on the floor as Q says "Prepare to die THIDIOUTH!" Then Q could use a phaser or pepperspray or something.
You do know how STUPID that sounds, right?

Yep.

brianeyci · Post by **brianeyci** » 2005-01-27 11:22pm

Batman wrote:
Because The Force is not how races in ST do telepathy.
As evidenced by what?

If you want to claim that The Force is the way ST races do telepathy, the burden of proof is on you. The converse of "The different way it works in this universe means that it won't work in that universe" is "It will work in that universe because the way it works in this universe is the same." Hint, the converse is logically equivalent In other words, saying hyperspace won't work in the ST universe is just as bad as saying The Force is how telepathy works in the ST universe -- using the concepts of one universe to explain another.

Plus, you can hook up a device to someone's brain to enter another brain, reference that episode when Bashir and O'Brien entered Sloan's brain. That isn't how The Force works.

Also, Betazeds as teenagers can use their telepathic abilities without training. The Force doesn't work that way either.

There's more than one way to have innate mental powers.
Agreed. Evidence that the way Trek people do it is incompatible with the Force?

Above. I don't claim that it is incompatable with The Force, just that those who claim that telepathic abilities have to be drawn from The Force or some great energy field surrounding the universe (The Force in any other name) is silly.

Brian

Darth Yoshi · Post by **Darth Yoshi** » 2005-01-28 12:07am

brianeyci wrote:Because The Force is not how races in ST do telepathy. There's more than one way to have innate mental powers.

Brian

I guess I worded it wrong. My apologies. I'm not saying that the Force does. All I'm saying is that if the Force exists in the Milky Way, then it won't necessarily exist in the way that it does in Star Wars. Even in Star Wars, no one truly understands the Force, and Vergere flat out says that the conventional way of looking at the Force is incomplete. Granted, she was talking about the accepted duality of the Force, but I believe it also applies how the Force is manifested.

I'll stop before I confuse myself with my ramblings.

Stravo · Post by **Stravo** » 2005-01-28 12:09am

Are there canon examples of alien races in Wars that are telephtically or otherwise psionically gifted that AREN'T force users?

Darth Yoshi · Post by **Darth Yoshi** » 2005-01-28 12:34am

Erm, what about that yellow blob creature thing in Crystal Star? *ugh*

Stravo · Post by **Stravo** » 2005-01-28 12:36am

Darth Yoshi wrote:Erm, what about that yellow blob creature thing in Crystal Star? *ugh*

Bastard. You had to remind me of that steaming pile.

Stofsk · Post by **Stofsk** » 2005-01-28 12:50am

Stravo wrote:
Darth Yoshi wrote:Erm, what about that yellow blob creature thing in Crystal Star? *ugh*
Bastard. You had to remind me of that steaming pile.

You actually read it? I was lucky.

Rogue 9 · Post by **Rogue 9** » 2005-01-28 02:28am

I read it. Let us never speak of it again.

Nieztchean Uber-Amoeba · Post by **Nieztchean Uber-Amoeba** » 2005-01-28 07:00am

Techno_Union wrote:
Lord Zentei wrote: 1 proton torpedo = 610 gigatons, you see. Almost 10000 times a photon torpedo. Yes, that is an outrageously high figure. It's still canon, though.
Where is this number from? I've been looking for a yield for the proton torp but never found one... *ponders.*

I think you're thinking of W40K Torpedoes, mate.

Quantum Torpedoes are widely recognised to be about double the yield of photon torpedoes.

Medic · Post by **Medic** » 2005-01-28 08:58am

Rogue 9 wrote:I read it. Let us never speak of it again.

I have the book. Untouched after several months. Haven't read it yet. Looks like I never will

Crown · Post by **Crown** » 2005-01-28 09:26am

PFC Brungardt wrote:
Rogue 9 wrote:I read it. Let us never speak of it again.
I have the book. Untouched after several months. Haven't read it yet. Looks like I never will

It's a piece of shit.

Anyway, Stravo there was an entire species of aliens, in the Black Fleet trilogy (the comander of the NR taskforce where Lando joins and chaces that alien ship about)

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