Idiot on Spacebattles

Lord Revan · Post by **Lord Revan** » 2005-02-17 03:29am

Darth Servo wrote:
Darth Wong wrote:They're committing the classic Trekkie geek sin: assuming that Star Trek sets the rules and paradigms for all of sci-fi (and sometimes they even think this is true of real life). In Star Trek, a ship releases a vast amount of stored energy when it explodes, because for some asinine reason the system is designed to be super-volatile that way.
They would retort that there is precedent for that thinking in SW. The two Death Stars and the Trade Fed ship.

well all three of those ship were destroyed by battle damage to main reactor, so not that case for super-volatile (more like against it).

General_Paul · Post by **General_Paul** » 2005-02-17 10:59am

Lord Poe wrote:
General_Paul wrote:Without the Original Series of Star Trek there to rocket Science Fiction into the lexicon of Modern America, Star Wars might not have happened.
Don't be a fucking idiot. Trek was a failed TV show that barely limped into its third season. "2001, A Space Odyssey" launched sci-fi into the public conciousness in the late-60's, not Trek. FFS "Planet Of The Apes" had more of an influence on sci-fi than Trek did.

And if you knew what you were talking about, you'd know that Star Wars may not have happened had it not been for "Flash Gordon".

Dude, what the hell? I give an idea, and you call me a fucking idiot. Well ya know what, you're an uneducated rude asshole, how's that?

Darth Servo · Post by **Darth Servo** » 2005-02-17 11:02am

General_Paul wrote:Dude, what the hell? I give an idea, and you call me a fucking idiot. Well ya know what, you're an uneducated rude asshole, how's that?

An idea that had been shot down long ago. What is it with Trek fans that think Sci-fi wouldn't exist w/o Trek? Sci-fi has been around for over a century. Can you say, "Jules Vern"?

General_Paul · Post by **General_Paul** » 2005-02-17 11:04am

Alright, ya know what, I'm wrong, I admit it, Sci Fi would be just fine without Trek. Happy?

Lord Poe · Post by **Lord Poe** » 2005-02-17 11:38am

General_Paul wrote:Dude, what the hell? I give an idea, and you call me a fucking idiot.

An 'idea'? No, you were putting forth the same idiotic crap I've seen many Trekkies spew for years; "If it wasn't for Trek, sci-fi wouldn't exist!" "George Lucas would have never made Star Wars if Trek wasn't there to show him the way! Urr hurr hurr hur huRRR!"

Well ya know what, you're an uneducated rude asshole, how's that?

'Uneducated'? No, that's yet another false statement by you that showcases your ignorance. 'Rude asshole'? Wouldn't be the first time I've heard it...

Alyeska · Post by **Alyeska** » 2005-02-17 12:27pm

General_Paul, a word of advice. Wayne roasts his friends over a fire, so your not being singled out. If anything his mild flames against you are a sign of affection.

Nieztchean Uber-Amoeba · Post by **Nieztchean Uber-Amoeba** » 2005-02-17 01:07pm

Alyeska wrote:General_Paul, a word of advice. Wayne roasts his friends over a fire, so your not being singled out. If anything his mild flames against you are a sign of affection.

Paul and Wayne sittin' in a tree,
K-I-S-S-I-N-G!

General_Paul · Post by **General_Paul** » 2005-02-17 09:06pm

Lord Poe wrote:
General_Paul wrote:Dude, what the hell? I give an idea, and you call me a fucking idiot.
An 'idea'? No, you were putting forth the same idiotic crap I've seen many Trekkies spew for years; "If it wasn't for Trek, sci-fi wouldn't exist!" "George Lucas would have never made Star Wars if Trek wasn't there to show him the way! Urr hurr hurr hur huRRR!"

Well ya know what, you're an uneducated rude asshole, how's that?
'Uneducated'? No, that's yet another false statement by you that showcases your ignorance. 'Rude asshole'? Wouldn't be the first time I've heard it...

Ok ya know what, since I didn't do a damn thing to earn you calling me an idiot, why don't you EXPLAIN your logic? Since you have to be a rude asshole to get your point across, it obviously shows a lack of intelligence on your side, or a lack of self esteem since you find it better to lash out at people and insult their intelligence. Or maybe you just are a blatent asshole to be a blatent asshole. Either way, its not friendly, and I didn't do a damn thing to you to earn your flame, so just back off.

WarScarab · Post by **WarScarab** » 2005-02-17 09:40pm

Lord Poe wrote:
General_Paul wrote:Without the Original Series of Star Trek there to rocket Science Fiction into the lexicon of Modern America, Star Wars might not have happened.
Don't be a fucking idiot. Trek was a failed TV show that barely limped into its third season. "2001, A Space Odyssey" launched sci-fi into the public conciousness in the late-60's, not Trek. FFS "Planet Of The Apes" had more of an influence on sci-fi than Trek did.

And if you knew what you were talking about, you'd know that Star Wars may not have happened had it not been for "Flash Gordon".

It seems most likely that all of these things contributed to the creation of Star Wars, as they all seem to appeal to different people (let's face it, not everyone was crazy about "2001," a 2 hour movie that feels like 4). Trek brought viewers to Sci-Fi that these other efforts wouldn't have and vice versa, which is often the way these things work.

And by the by, the "fucking idiot" bit was somewhat uncouth.

Lord Poe · Post by **Lord Poe** » 2005-02-17 09:55pm

General_Paul wrote:Ok ya know what, since I didn't do a damn thing to earn you calling me an idiot,

Yes, you di. You trotted out that tired, stupid urban legend that sci-fi wouldn't have existed without Trek.

why don't you EXPLAIN your logic?

Ok. I'm sick and fucking tired of little Trekkie kiddies like yourself exhibiting your complete ignorance about a subject.

Since you have to be a rude asshole to get your point across, it obviously shows a lack of intelligence on your side,

Even geniuses are rude. Stupid.

or a lack of self esteem since you find it better to lash out at people and insult their intelligence.

I insulty no one's intelligence. I merely point it out when they obviously have none.

Or maybe you just are a blatent asshole to be a blatent asshole.

Depends on my mood. And right now, I couldn't care less for your fragile feelings.

Either way, its not friendly,

Neither is shitting on someone's lawn, but one doesn't do that to be friendly...

and I didn't do a damn thing to you to earn your flame, so just back off.

Yes you did. See above.

Lord Poe · Post by **Lord Poe** » 2005-02-17 09:57pm

WarScarab wrote:And by the by, the "fucking idiot" bit was somewhat uncouth.

So's wiping your ass with the shower curtain.

WarScarab · Post by **WarScarab** » 2005-02-17 10:02pm

Lord Poe wrote:So's wiping your ass with the shower curtain.

eww

Lord Poe · Post by **Lord Poe** » 2005-02-17 10:17pm

WarScarab wrote:
Lord Poe wrote:So's wiping your ass with the shower curtain.

eww

Man, I love Andrew Dice Clay's humor!

Darth Lucifer · Post by **Darth Lucifer** » 2005-02-17 11:49pm

You just got bigger laughs out of me than ADC ever did....watching you rip the General's head off and throat fuck him (Just to be even more Uncouth).

Just goes to show one shouldn't go into a battle of the wits unarmed...

Petrosjko · Post by **Petrosjko** » 2005-02-18 12:02am

General, Scarab, rude and uncouth is often the style around here. I suggest you post less and observe more while you learn the lay of the land.

The Cleric · Post by **The Cleric** » 2005-02-18 12:25am

Poe, I love you.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2005-02-18 01:47am

General_Paul wrote:Ok ya know what, since I didn't do a damn thing to earn you calling me an idiot, why don't you EXPLAIN your logic?

Maybe you haven't heard this, but calling someone an idiot is not necessarily a response to a similar attack. It is also a perfectly valid response when someone says something that indicates ignorance, lousy logic, or stupidity.

Since you have to be a rude asshole to get your point across, it obviously shows a lack of intelligence on your side, or a lack of self esteem since you find it better to lash out at people and insult their intelligence.

"Style over substance" fallacy.

Or maybe you just are a blatent asshole to be a blatent asshole. Either way, its not friendly, and I didn't do a damn thing to you to earn your flame, so just back off.

If you don't like the policy of this board where it's OK to flame somebody for saying something stupid, feel free to get the fuck out.

Meest · Post by **Meest** » 2005-02-18 02:38am

General_Paul wrote:Ok ya know what, since I didn't do a damn thing to earn you calling me an idiot, why don't you EXPLAIN your logic? Since you have to be a rude asshole to get your point across, it obviously shows a lack of intelligence on your side, or a lack of self esteem since you find it better to lash out at people and insult their intelligence. Or maybe you just are a blatent asshole to be a blatent asshole. Either way, its not friendly, and I didn't do a damn thing to you to earn your flame, so just back off.

You were called idiot because you just made a pure emotional response, what logic did you use to claim Star Trek made scifi what it is? Then you cry and act like a child.

General_Paul wrote:"Alright, ya know what, I'm wrong, I admit it, Sci Fi would be just fine without Trek. Happy?"

If anything Star Wars revitalized the Star Trek franchise. Star Trek was barely hanging on after their first season. Here's a quote from Roddenberry:

"There was no desire for science fiction until 'Star Wars.' For years I talked to the studio about a 'Star Trek' movie, but they said you don't understand movies,"

Sounds like if not for Star Wars, Star Trek would've faded into rerun oblivion (which did do better than original airings, but only enough to spawn the animated series, and that was canned after a season also).

PainRack · Post by **PainRack** » 2005-02-18 01:36pm

Well, Star Trek did surivive out there in the conventions, and considering how those conventions were cruicial to getting the initial kickstart to ANH with the Marvel Comics and etc etc, you can say that the fact that ST demonstration of the power of comic conventions helped direct SW in that direction........

Petrosjko · Post by **Petrosjko** » 2005-02-18 03:22pm

Well, I'll say what I've said before. Star Trek was part of the evolution of science fiction in television, helping to pull it away from the bug-eyed monsters that Hollywood tended to view the sole content of the genre.

But because a lot of Trekkies got their science fiction start in Star Trek, they tend to view it as the Alpha and Omega of the field, or at least the Alpha.

Nick Lancaster · Post by **Nick Lancaster** » 2005-03-04 09:28pm

Sorry, the entire premise of 'Star Wars would not exist without Star Trek' is just so much hooey. Before 2001: A Space Odyssey, there was Forbidden Planet. Heck, there was Voyage to the Bottom of the Sea and 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea.

While 'Star Trek' may have changed the perception of SF on television - certainly, Roddenberry kicked the door open and held it open - the networks kept trotting out Irwin Allen spectaculars and still, apparently, have difficulties grasping SF, hence the popularity of syndication as a point-of-entry for most series.

But SF existed well before Trek. The kinds of stories told in Trek existed before Trek came to the airwaves. Noted SF writers were invited to write serious dramas set in the Trek paradigm. SF goes back well before Trek, whether the space operas of E.E. 'Doc' Smith, or the works of Alfred Bester. (Bester inspired the PsiCorps for B5, but he also penned the famous Green Lantern Oath. Should we then say, gosh, all super heroes exist because of Bester? Hardly.)

Stark · Post by **Stark** » 2005-03-04 10:16pm

I wouldn't worry, Nick - this General Paul guy got all cry-baby on us when someone said he was stupid. He doesn't even pass his own standards: he didn't 'explain his logic', he just stated a baseless claim and got upset when Poe shot it down. Awwwwww.

Isolder74 · Post by **Isolder74** » 2005-03-05 10:06pm

let me point out that no Sci-Fi would exsist with out Jules Verne. He practically invented the idea.

on a side note, Star Wars owes it creation to many shows. to say it is only inspired by one show is extremely cocky position to take. To tell you the truth Star Trek owes it survival to Star Wars not Star Wars to Star Trek! Without Star Wars Star Trek II most likely never would have gotten off the ground with out Star Wars happening. Star Trek The Motion Picture owes its very exsistance to Star Wars! The Special effect were done by ILM! What more can I say?

Lord Poe · Post by **Lord Poe** » 2005-03-06 12:21am

Isolder74 wrote:Star Trek The Motion Picture owes its very exsistance to Star Wars! The Special effect were done by ILM! What more can I say?

Actually, John Dykstra's company Apogee did the FX for ST:TMP.

Isolder74 · Post by **Isolder74** » 2005-03-06 02:14am

Lord Poe wrote:
Isolder74 wrote:Star Trek The Motion Picture owes its very exsistance to Star Wars! The Special effect were done by ILM! What more can I say?
Actually, John Dykstra's company Apogee did the FX for ST:TMP.

I'm pretty sure ILM is in the credits as well