Here's a new one- Borg can come back from the dead

Quadlok · Post by **Quadlok** » 2005-07-20 06:22pm

Augustus Caesar wrote:The latest reply from BigHairyMountainMan made my day-

What physical attacks? The holodeck doesn't qualify. What remains? Blades, fists... low velocity physical attacks. Not kinetic attacks.
Man, I never knew punching somebody was not a kinetic energy attack! I wonder what it is then.....

I think I'll join that site just for the laughs...

Don't, you'll get sick of it really fast. These people refuse to admit they are wrong, and will just continue to through more and more outlandish crap at you until you just give up and leave. I can't understand how Vympel has managed to stay in there as long as he has.

Darth Servo · Post by **Darth Servo** » 2005-07-20 07:00pm

GStone wrote:Besides, any bullet, either ones that go for penetration or area of damage, are only gonna do so much damage. The borg components heal the drones' bodies. So, once again, it is better to use a phaser. You can come back and vaporize them. Borg healing isn't instantaneous, so you got a little time.

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Um, when did phasers EVER do the magic disappearing act on drones?

Firefox · Post by **Firefox** » 2005-07-20 07:51pm

He also forgets that phasers don't work through vaporization, but in light of his behavior, that's not a surprise.

NRS Guardian · Post by **NRS Guardian** » 2005-07-20 08:23pm

I don't get GStone's point that the only difference between holographic bullets and real ones, is they don't have the atomic particles, therefore real bullets won't work. How does this make them more dangerous to the Borg than real bullets?

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2005-07-20 08:26pm

NRS Guardian wrote:I don't get GStone's point that the only difference between holographic bullets and real ones, is they don't have the atomic particles, therefore real bullets won't work. How does this make them more dangerous to the Borg than real bullets?

He's just flailing about desperately in search of excuses. No rational person's first instinct would be to think "holographic bullets are naturally more dangerous than real ones".

NRS Guardian · Post by **NRS Guardian** » 2005-07-20 08:26pm

Oh, yeah it doesn't, duh. He isn't too bright, though I don't need to tell anyone whose read his posts.

wilfulton · Post by **wilfulton** » 2005-07-20 09:25pm

Against the really stupid and the really stubborn, you may have to resort to drastic measures... ie. smack upside the head with a bag of fertilizer.

Isolder74 · Post by **Isolder74** » 2005-07-20 09:50pm

wilfulton wrote:Against the really stupid and the really stubborn, you may have to resort to drastic measures... ie. smack upside the head with a bag of fertilizer.

Natural or synthetic?

Adrian Laguna · Post by **Adrian Laguna** » 2005-07-20 10:05pm

I don't know why people haven't seized upon this (enphasis mine):

GStone wrote:Okay, then. I'll explain. It's actually simple when you think about it. In Phage (VOY), holoDoc's "body" is said to be made of magnetic bubbles that are the size of molecules. Because the holoDoc is the same holotech used on holodecks, we can make the extension that holographic matter (not replicated matter on the holodeck, but holographic stuff) is made of these molecule sized bubbles of magnetic energy.
Now, the reason why 2 objects don't pass through each other on their own is because of the EM fields. Adding force (increasing the electrostatic energy pushing the hologram), while not having the safety protocals working will make a collection of molecule sized bubbles of magnetic energy have the same result on organic tissue, as a real bullet because the force behind it is similar.

Unless I'm mistaken this is tantamount to a concession that real bullets would work. Matter is mostly empty space, and the reason why things don't pass through each other is the electromagnetic fields generated by the electron clouds in each atom. So he is saying that the holo-bullet, at the atomic level, behaves in exacly the same way as a real bullet. In other words, bullets will kill Borg.

Assuming I'm right you could post the above followed by:

brianeyci · Post by **brianeyci** » 2005-07-20 11:14pm

It's times like this that I wish Walper was still around. (Walper if you are still around and reading this, I missed your goodbye thread, hope you are having fun watching). Even Walper, Borg-fanwhore, did not say things like this,

SailorSaturumon13 wrote:Do you forget :Borg Armor and shields which can adapt to everything(well, almost; see below)?

Yeah, they can adapt to everything alright.

Especially that Borg armor, the leather is great for stopping phaser and bullets. Sure there's the tactical drone we saw on VOY, but the drones on Ent-E were unarmored. We get a closeup shot of one when Picard takes out the Borg transciever, and it looks leathery.

In "Unity" phasers in standard (not maximal) setting were pushing the Borg slightly back yet had NO damage. Maximal setting is BARELY enough to penetrate Borg armor. This qualifies it as EXTREMELY STURDY

I looked for the script from here, and I couldn't find a ST:TNG episode called "Unity". Is it because the episode was renamed, or because it doesn't exist?

Maybe its because the Borg shields, oh I don't know, adapted? How the hell does he know the phaser is on standard setting anyway? Unless it is explicitly in the script, which I cannot find. What about the first time when they met the Borg, when standard setting was enough to kill one? If he means stun setting, Klingons have been hit by stun and just growled, does that mean Klingon armor is "extremely sturdy"? If standard setting is kill, the kill setting in Q Who was enough to kill a Borg.

Brian

brianeyci · Post by **brianeyci** » 2005-07-20 11:17pm

Whops, link was here, sorry.

Brian

Firefox · Post by **Firefox** » 2005-07-21 01:42am

brianeyci wrote:I looked for the script from here, and I couldn't find a ST:TNG episode called "Unity". Is it because the episode was renamed, or because it doesn't exist?

That's because it was a Voyager episode. I don't remember enough of that particular ep to know what he's talking about, however.

Lord Poe · Post by **Lord Poe** » 2005-07-21 02:12am

Uh huh. So when are these guys going to dust themselves off and put themselves back together:

Winston Blake · Post by **Winston Blake** » 2005-07-21 04:28am

Ford Prefect wrote:What you need to do is show him the clip of the Fastshooter. Then man who fires six shots, reloads and fires six shots again in three seconds. The link should still be on the board somewhere, I'll see if I can remember where it was from.

Yeah that's awesome. I searched for it and got this.

Lord Poe wrote:Uh huh. So when are these guys going to dust themselves off and put themselves back together:

Maybe they simply love modern art?

I just had an idea:

Adam Reynolds · Post by **Adam Reynolds** » 2005-07-28 04:06am

One question, I don't know that much about the Borg all I saw was First Contact. Have the Borg ever been fired upon by something other than phasers

Darth Servo · Post by **Darth Servo** » 2005-07-28 11:38am

Adamskywalker007 wrote:One question, I don't know that much about the Borg all I saw was First Contact. Have the Borg ever been fired upon by something other than phasers

If you saw First Contact, you would know the answer is "yes" A holodeck tommy gun is not a phaser.

Adam Reynolds · Post by **Adam Reynolds** » 2005-07-29 12:19am

I meant that they blocked, I was half asleep last night

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