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Close enough. Picard seems to think they are.Bounty wrote:They are not, as shown and as admitted by the Q themselves1. They are omnipotent.
And you will now show that conditions in the ISD's reactor are identical or more survivable than a Galaxy Class's reactor, of course, despite the massive difference in power output.Cos Dashit wrote:Close enough. Picard seems to think they are.Bounty wrote:They are not, as shown and as admitted by the Q themselves1. They are omnipotent.
And all they really have to do is warp themselves into an ISD reactor and mess around with it, as they did in "True Q".
Trolls are so cute.Cos Dashit wrote:It doesn't really matter how much more stable or complicated their reactors are, the laws of physics dont apply to the Q.
What, you mean in the dimension fucking Voyager, ship of every fuckup they could find, wandered into and successfully bitchslapped lots of Q?And even if by some incredible stroke of luck the Empire somehow managed to survive and fight back against the Q, the Empire sure as hell couldn't destroy the Q. All they (the Q) would have to do is stay home.
I can do the same; you are aware air is matter? Displacing matter or ghosting through matter isn't exactly new in Trek physics, dumb-shit.Cos Dashit wrote:Can the Q occupy space where other matter is already? Yes. I think that definately throws a few laws right out the window.
Well then, he falls to the Death Star, after all, it was said to be the 'ultimate force in the universe'. God, you're a dumbshit Trektard.If you will recall in "True Q", Q says (regarding how he very easily and without effort nearly blew up their reactor, only to be stopped by another Q) "You think something so trivial as the Law of Physics can stop me?"
Most likely not? Based on what? Your fanboy masturbation? Idiots who don't know how to use a rifle conquered them, you insipid weasal.Has anybody in Star Wars traveled between dimensions and time? If they did, and did it with ships, then they could possibly maybe most likely not do some harm to the Q Continuum.
1. Moving through air doesnt mean you are occupying the same space as it. Jesus. The air molecules bounce of the solid fiber of your being, they don't glide through and take up the same space, as the Q can do.SirNitram wrote:I can do the same; you are aware air is matter? Displacing matter or ghosting through matter isn't exactly new in Trek physics, dumb-shit.Cos Dashit wrote:Can the Q occupy space where other matter is already? Yes. I think that definately throws a few laws right out the window.
Well then, he falls to the Death Star, after all, it was said to be the 'ultimate force in the universe'. God, you're a dumbshit Trektard.If you will recall in "True Q", Q says (regarding how he very easily and without effort nearly blew up their reactor, only to be stopped by another Q) "You think something so trivial as the Law of Physics can stop me?"
Most likely not? Based on what? Your fanboy masturbation? Idiots who don't know how to use a rifle conquered them, you insipid weasal.Has anybody in Star Wars traveled between dimensions and time? If they did, and did it with ships, then they could possibly maybe most likely not do some harm to the Q Continuum.
And yes, hyperdrive causes time travel. Mostly forward, except for one embarassing comic, but hey...
Funny, there's air in my body.. Yours must be some new model they invented in moron land.Cos Dashit wrote:1. Moving through air doesnt mean you are occupying the same space as it. Jesus. The air molecules bounce of the solid fiber of your being, they don't glide through and take up the same space, as the Q can do.
Oh christ, you're so full of it it's sad. The analogy is perfect because guess what? Q has been shown vunerable to the laws of physics! Like Sisko's fist! Or whatever the hell it is about Guinan that causes him to flinch and act defensive.2. As for the Death Star being the "Ultimate force in the Universe", why was it blown up by a farm-boy? And then a second time, by some rebels, a smuggler, the same farm-boy, a fuzzball, and a princess? I would hardly describe this as ultimate. But the Q, they are as near to omnipotence as anything or anyone will get. That is pretty ultimate. As for my being a "dumb-shit trektard", I post about ten times more in Pure SW than here or Pure ST.
'Between time' is quite possibly the most useless phrase since 'before the Big Bang'. Do you have something of substance, kiddo? Or are you just going to repeat your assertion(The Q are omnipotent) as evidence for itself? That's Circular Logic, and a fallacy.3. Hyper-drive may cause time-travel, but it does not involve moving between time and between dimensions.
The point, I think, SirNitram was trying to make is that simply because someone describes something (espeically themselves) as possessing such and such an ability, or being so and so doesn't mean they are. Whether or not Q can actually defy the laws of physics is up to debate, but you cannot use his own statements on the subject as evidence.2. As for the Death Star being the "Ultimate force in the Universe", why was it blown up by a farm-boy? And then a second time, by some rebels, a smuggler, the same farm-boy, a fuzzball, and a princess? I would hardly describe this as ultimate. But the Q, they are as near to omnipotence as anything or anyone will get. That is pretty ultimate. As for my being a "dumb-shit trektard", I post about ten times more in Pure SW than here or Pure ST.
Dude, you obviously don't understand what I am saying. If there is an oxygen atom, and a carbon atom, one cannot be inside the other. Yes, there is air in your body, but no, it is not inside the molecules that make your body up. They are in-between them. Holy hell. There is a basic law of physics which states two things cannot simultaneously occupy the same space.SirNitram wrote:Funny, there's air in my body.. Yours must be some new model they invented in moron land.
Again, of course, you ignore the fact Treknology can ghost through solid matter even with this ignored. Why? Because you're a moron who is suddenly trying to debate with adults.Cos Dashit wrote:Dude, you obviously don't understand what I am saying. If there is an oxygen atom, and a carbon atom, one cannot be inside the other. Yes, there is air in your body, but no, it is not inside the molecules that make your body up. They are in-between them. Holy hell. There is a basic law of physics which states two things cannot simultaneously occupy the same space.SirNitram wrote:Funny, there's air in my body.. Yours must be some new model they invented in moron land.
So you have conceded all other points and are just going to say it's the closest 'in SW or ST'? Is that it? Okay.Cos Dashit wrote:Name one thing in the SW or ST universe that is closer to omnipotence than the Q.
Name one thing the Q can do that shows they are omnipotent rather than using some kind of trick. Remember that during the TNG, DS9 and VOY series, a lot of what the Q had been shown to do was at one time or another duplicated by treknobable.Cos Dashit wrote:Name one thing in the SW or ST universe that is closer to omnipotence than the Q.
The Force is not incarnate. The Force also needs to be channeled by carnate beings. The only known instance (in the movies) of the Force acting only is the conception of Anakin Skywalker. The Q could have done this easily.SirNitram wrote:And the answer is 'The Force'. You can't kill it, it brought down two Death Stars, and overturned an entire Galactic civilization to rebalance itself.
No they couldn't. They can't manipulate events so specifically as to ensure the Force Sensitive on Endor met the natives that knew the rear entrance and could provide enough bodies and traps to rout the opposition.Cos Dashit wrote:The Force is not incarnate. The Force also needs to be channeled by carnate beings. The only known instance (in the movies) of the Force acting only is the conception of Anakin Skywalker. The Q could have done this easily.SirNitram wrote:And the answer is 'The Force'. You can't kill it, it brought down two Death Stars, and overturned an entire Galactic civilization to rebalance itself.
Well yes. Deities tend to be omnipotent or close. It's in the job description.The Force answer is like saying God. No shit.
The Force is through all things, listen to Yoda. The Force manipulated events so perfectly everything fell into place despite ridiculous odds.I didn't bring down the Death Stars or overturn the Galactic Empire by itself. It needed someone to actually use it. A gun can kill someone, but it needs someone to use it.
Considering the Rebellion did it with a shuttle and a nuclear weapon in a X-wing series cut scence, I think Klingon slaves and a crappy insubordinate would do.FedRebel wrote: Wouldn't it be...
Solauren: "Sorry your Majesty, they blew up a Star De...[Force Choke]...[Death]"
Emporer: "The you shall pay for your incompetence"
If your going to blame a race for blowing up an ISD, blame the Dominion. A super-dreadnaught (those big ass SOBs over Cardassia in "What we Leave Behind") turned into a fireship filled to the brim with anti-matter, would make more sense than a group of BoP's blowing up a ship
Actually, the Ferengi would probably be the easiest of AQ powers to control. Tell them that the Empire is capitalistic, and they'll probably hunt down the whatever Federation remnant is left themselves; the Empire is damn good for business, especially compared to the previous quadrant power, with which they could only do business under the table, or on the fringe.I'll make an example of prominent Ferengi to keep the rest in line.
