Which would you rather live in/under?

Mad · Post by **Mad** » 2002-12-26 12:18am

The Old Republic. Sure, there's political corruption, but it doesn't appear to have affected its citizens much except for in the last decade or so of its existence.

Palpatine's Galactic Empire is unsafe if Rebels are anywhere near me. Even if it's circumstances I can't control, I still get killed. No, thanks.

The New Republic is unsafe not only 'cause planets are still blowing up, but now we have entire solar systems going, too. And then there's that whole Vong business that they can't seem to take care of.

The Imperial Remnant isn't nearly as bad as Palpatine's Empire, but there's still that whole Vong problem...

The United Federation of Planets just seems dull, and I can't be sure that holodeck technology is available to everyone.

The other Trek races are just too weird. And there's no way I'd want to be Borg.

TheDarkling · Post by **TheDarkling** » 2002-12-26 12:22am

Well the Vong's involvement in the SW galaxy predates the existence of the NR so they can't really be removed anymore than the Borg could be from the Milky way.

As for the Cardies, they will have joined the Feds within a century, probably best to go kill the Borg (after actually suggesting to SF command that faster FTL is a good idea).

SirNitram · Post by **SirNitram** » 2002-12-26 12:24am

I'd take the Old Republic. My knack for storytelling could reasonably be parlayed into a personal vessel(Especially when I talk about Luke Starkiller and the Empire and their victories over the evil Federation), and enough modifications to take her out for a long haul. Next, purchase a Twi'lek for a wife from the Hutts, hop in said personal vessel, head for the Milky Way.

Promptly discover that while Luke and Leia fought Vader, King Arthur was repressing insolent peasants.

Captain Kruger · Post by **Captain Kruger** » 2002-12-26 12:33am

Sounds good. The Borg need to be put down for good, down to the last drone. I don't think a single species in any universe wouldn't agree with that.

Crayz9000 · Post by **Crayz9000** » 2002-12-26 12:39am

Gunner wrote:I'm thinking maybe the UFP. Fully interactive holodeck porn would be hard to beat.

Deimos, didn't we already ask you to cease and desist the sockpuppeting?

FaxModem1 · Post by **FaxModem1** » 2002-12-26 12:52am

UFP for me, if I want anything, I can replicate it, holy crap, that's it, the reason they don't have currency is because if you want something, you just go to your replicator and ask for it. Its so simple.

GrandMasterTerwynn · Post by **GrandMasterTerwynn** » 2002-12-26 01:17am

I'd much prefer the Imperial Remnant. All the good of the old Empire: Capitalism, a strong central government, and the good of the Republic: Sexual and species equality. Screw living in the old Galactic Empire. Political purges aren't quite my thing.

Robert Walper · Post by **Robert Walper** » 2002-12-26 05:32am

I'm surprised Trek doesn't win hands down. Holodeck people!

Hell, you can re-create the Star Wars, Babylon Five or whatever universe you want, with the added addition of manipulating it however you wish. In a sense, you'd be a god in the holodeck, creating and destroying universes at will, while living a lifetime of fun.

There's the question of powering your holodeck, but you'd think you could work somethng out there(heck, you supposededly don't have to work for a living).

Safety would be a major concern, but if you put enough failsafes on the damn thing, without a Federation ship exposing the holodeck to every bad alien or plasma storm or whatever, it should run alright.

I'd take a holodeck any day, granted it's not one on a starship with exposure to story creating, usually dangerous situations every week.

Cpt_Frank · Post by **Cpt_Frank** » 2002-12-26 09:00am

Empire.
What do you need holodeck-orgys with imaginary people if you can have planet-killing starships under your command? Hell you could just go to some planet, take slaves and 'celebrate' with them!

Pastor Andy · Post by **Pastor Andy** » 2002-12-26 09:40am

I vote for the Galactic Empire. There's a lot to be said for stability, peace (relatively speaking), and a laissez-faire (sp?) economic policy. When taken as a whole, the Empire seems to be definitely superior to the forms of government that both preceded and followed it.

As far as Trek governments go, I can't see any compelling evidence that would cause me to choose one of them over the Imperial system.

Grand Admiral Thrawn · Post by **Grand Admiral Thrawn** » 2002-12-26 09:57am

The IR.

Post by **Colonel Olrik** » 2002-12-26 10:05am

Pastor Andy wrote: As far as Trek governments go, I can't see any compelling evidence that would cause me to choose one of them over the Imperial system.

? The Feds do not blow up member planets, just to make an example out of them.

I'd choose the OR first, the UFP next. The NR or the IR would be fine, if not because of that nasty Vong problem. Does anyone really think the IR will survive unscathed?

Grand Admiral Thrawn · Post by **Grand Admiral Thrawn** » 2002-12-26 10:05am

Federation justice SUCKS.

WORF: You're trying to override the launch controls for the quantum torpedoes.
Garak knows there's no point in denying it.
GARAK: I was hoping to gain control of the phasers as well. I just hadn't gotten around to it yet. (a beat) Don't you see? We have an opportunity here. A chance to end the Dominion threat once and for all. (trying to win him over) We have enough firepower on this ship to turn that planet into a smoking cinder. Personally, I think that would be a very good thing.

Garak tries to commit genocide. And how is he imprisoned for? 5 years? 10? 15?

GARAK: I suppose you do. (musing) Six months in a holding cell. The thought is... unattractive, to say the least.

6 months. Only half a year. Pathetic.
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Cpt_Frank · Post by **Cpt_Frank** » 2002-12-26 10:08am

Grand Admiral Thrawn wrote:Garak tries to commit genocide. And how is he imprisoned for? 5 years? 10? 15?

GARAK: I suppose you do. (musing) Six months in a holding cell. The thought is... unattractive, to say the least.

6 months. Only half a year. Pathetic.

LMAO!

The Nomad · Post by **The Nomad** » 2002-12-26 10:34am

None of them are worth the ultimate society : the Culture.

Cpt_Frank · Post by **Cpt_Frank** » 2002-12-26 10:42am

None of them are worth the ultimate society : the Culture.

Yeah and apart from the fact that this is off-topic of course you're aware of the fact that the Xeelee would beat the fucking crap out of your precious culture.

HemlockGrey · Post by **HemlockGrey** » 2002-12-26 10:51am

I'd have to choose 'none of the above'. I'd like to live in the Firefly-verse as a salvage merchant. It'd be fun. Lots of frontier moons and worlds to pick on, and oodles of culture and civilized fun inward.

Of those listed, NR. Buy a ship, raid some indepedent planet's coffers, buy a couple of frigates and kick ass.

The Nomad · Post by **The Nomad** » 2002-12-26 11:29am

Cpt_Frank wrote:
None of them are worth the ultimate society : the Culture.
Yeah and apart from the fact that this is off-topic of course you're aware of the fact that the Xeelee would beat the fucking crap out of your precious culture.

I wasn't referring to its sheer power. I was referring to the Culture's culture, got it ? Read the books, and you'll see my point.

Cpt_Frank · Post by **Cpt_Frank** » 2002-12-26 11:40am

The Nomad wrote:
Cpt_Frank wrote:
None of them are worth the ultimate society : the Culture.
Yeah and apart from the fact that this is off-topic of course you're aware of the fact that the Xeelee would beat the fucking crap out of your precious culture.
I wasn't referring to its sheer power. I was referring to the Culture's culture, got it ? Read the books, and you'll see my point.

Hmm, ok. Well, the culture of the culture is an idealized utopia.

'nuff said.

Hmm while we're at books I really have to read Asimov's foundation series.

Grand Admiral Thrawn · Post by **Grand Admiral Thrawn** » 2002-12-26 11:50am

Nomad, STFU.

The Nomad · Post by **The Nomad** » 2002-12-26 11:52am

Geez, that's all ? I was expecting a more developped reply, see. What about the Culture's not-so-bright side ? IA domination, interferences with lesser civs, genetic manipulation, pseudo-socialism, anarchy.... there is a lot to discuss !
Anyway, call it an intuition, but I've the feeling that it wouldn't exactly fit within the topic.

Lord Pounder · Post by **Lord Pounder** » 2002-12-26 12:27pm

Saying as how the Culture is not a choice here STFU. Thread Hi-jacking is a bannable offence.

I went for the Galatic Empire. Never before has the GFFA had more stability and prosperity, if your a human. 25,000 ISD + support ships to back up the regiem.

Post by **Colonel Olrik** » 2002-12-26 12:35pm

Darth Pounder wrote:Saying as how the Culture is not a choice here STFU. Thread Hi-jacking is a bannable offence.

Since when?

Well, I guess I'll have to ask Lord Wong to ban me, now.

Or probably not.

Lord Pounder · Post by **Lord Pounder** » 2002-12-26 12:38pm

I re-phrase that, repeatidly hi-jacking a thread, all the same that doesn't change the fact that the culture were not an option and for morons to keep scream "Culture Culture in every fucking thread is getting on my tits. Why don't they start their own fucking Culture.net site and take it there.

Asst. Asst. Lt. Cmdr. Smi · Post by **Asst. Asst. Lt. Cmdr. Smi** » 2002-12-26 10:41pm

I'd say the OR. The Empire is cool, but too fascist for my tastes. The Federation is a Communist society, the NR is dysfunctional and being attacked by the YV, and with the OR, you can go more places faster.