Can Federation destroy Death Stars

[Eternal_Freedom]

No, I don't think I'm going to miss him that much

[Srelex]

I think part of me is going to miss Picard. He was entertaining if nothing else.

Then you should join spacebattles, he just signed up there.

Can we see a link to anything he's spewing?

[Ritterin Sophia]

I think part of me is going to miss Picard. He was entertaining if nothing else.

Then you should join spacebattles, he just signed up there.

Can we see a link to anything he's spewing?

If you're interested you'll have to go to SB yourself, it should be easy enough to find their VS forum and then look for a ST v SW thread. Otherwise I'll PM it.

His first post ever on Trek V Wars at SB was to deny that Acclamators have guns at all.

[Baffalo]

[Purple]

Does it really matter?
With it's size, mass and shields it should be sufficient to just ram each ST ship until all are dead.

[Baffalo]

Does it really matter?
With it's size, mass and shields it should be sufficient to just ram each ST ship until all are dead.

Wait... ram each ship? The Death Star doing the ramming? I want you to sit back for a moment, take a few deep breaths, and then slap the stupid out of yourself.

The Death Star has a mass several orders of magnitude larger than even an SSD. In the movies, everyone simply thinks that velocity matters, but in actuality, it's acceleration that's critical in space. The faster you can accelerate, the better you can open the distance between your ship and another one. Or close it, depending on what the case may be. In physics, the most simple equation is simply Force = Mass * Acceleration, in which the force is the amount of thrust you can achieve from your engines.

So let's say we have two ships, one weighing 1 metric ton, and the other two metric tons. Both have the same size engine, so their force is equal. We'll put the amount of force equal to say... 1*106 Newtons.

For the first ship, 1*106 Newtons/1*103 Kg=1*103 meter/sec2
For the second, 1*106 Newtons/2*103 Kg=500 meter/sec2

The point being made is that the Death Star has so much mass that even if a fleet of ISDs got out and pushed, it still would be one of the slowest accelerating ships in the entire galaxy. So no, the Death Star can't accelerate and just 'ram' everyone.

[SilverWingedSeraph]

Maybe you should have read the few posts before his to get an idea of the context, Baffalo. Picard over on SB said that the Acclamator doesn't have any guns at all. Purple was, presumably jokingly, saying that even if the Acclamator doesn't have guns it would still be more than capable of ramming into Fed ships and smashing them apart with little damage to itself.

[Baffalo]

Maybe you should have read the few posts before his to get an idea of the context, Baffalo. Picard over on SB said that the Acclamator doesn't have any guns at all. Purple was, presumably jokingly, saying that even if the Acclamator doesn't have guns it would still be more than capable of ramming into Fed ships and smashing them apart with little damage to itself.

Oh. In which case I apologize. Sometimes my hatred of stupidity can be my own undoing. *pats Purple on the head* Carry on lad.

[Eternal_Freedom]

Presumably he was using his "I ONLY USE THE MOVIEZ AND WE DONT SEE NO GUNZZZ!" argument, ignoring the cannon status of the ICS and the sheer stupiditiy of the idea

Sometimes I honestly wonder how people can live while being THAT retarded

[Purple]

It was exactly what SilverWingedSeraph said.
No problems about anything.

This said does anyone else feels that this thread should become the official "Mock that retard Picard thread?"
Or that we should at least make one in testing or some other place where we can post quotes from him on the other forum and bash them for our poetic entertainment?

[Eternal_Freedom]

Sounds like fun. Do you want to set it up or shall I?

[Srelex]

Eh, that may be more attention than he warrants.

[Eternal_Freedom]

Yeah maybe. I suppose we can always remember him not very fondly and laugh at him endlessly.

What did he get banned for in the end anyway?

[bilateralrope]

Yeah maybe. I suppose we can always remember him not very fondly and laugh at him endlessly.

What did he get banned for in the end anyway?

Vandalising the wiki.

[fallendragon]

Geting back to the original topic, we have:
A) very lucky photon torpedo shot
B) possible phase-cloak useage

is there any other way for the Federation to destroy the first Death Star?

[Baffalo]

Take a red shirt, stuff him in a space suit, and drop him down the shaft strapped with explosives.

[Big Phil]

Geting back to the original topic, we have:
A) very lucky photon torpedo shot
B) possible phase-cloak useage

is there any other way for the Federation to destroy the first Death Star?

In both cases we conveniently ignore the questions:

* How does the Federation get within range of the Death Star?
* How does the Federation know the Death Star's weakness(es)?

[Baffalo]

Geting back to the original topic, we have:
A) very lucky photon torpedo shot
B) possible phase-cloak useage

is there any other way for the Federation to destroy the first Death Star?

In both cases we conveniently ignore the questions:

* How does the Federation get within range of the Death Star?
* How does the Federation know the Death Star's weakness(es)?

A number of different ways, if we choose to pull a Berman and pull reasons out of our ass.

Q might provide the answer, though I doubt he'd tell them directly. Remember, Q wants to challenge humanity and make them grow, so he might make them work to achieve the destruction of the DSI. That's the easiest way.

A second would be a rebellious element, either defecting Imperial troops or already existing Rebel soldiers, who provide the information hoping to get Starfleet to send ships that would, at best, pose a distraction while the Rebels drop the bomb.

And finally, Starfleet uses technobabble to get a probe close enough to detect the massive infared signature and decides that the best way would be to fly in and fire enough torpedoes that only through the magic of statistics and bullshit that one of the torpedoes gets through and hits the core.

[Metahive]

It's actually surprisingly easy and simple, it'll go like this:

1.Ent-D/Ent-nil/Voyager/NX-Ent happen upon Death Star. Death Star fires on ST ships, but character shields hold at 100% since only Writers Fiat Torpedos and Executive Order Beamcannons can penetrate them and the SW ones have already all been fired to destroy the insidious Karendo Tra'viss

2.Geordi/Scotty/B'ellana/Trip reverse the quantum polarity of the phase variance on the third, fourth and nth quark ring, causing nadion bluepoint cascade effects in the subraum level three field that triaxilate the pre and non-existing baryon paricles in combobulatrous matrices. Data/Spock/Tuvok/T'Pol then activate the resonance field emitter deuterium navigator shield device which transmutes subatomic hyper tachyons into protonic transphasic thingamagic something. Picard/Kirk/Janeway/Archer says "Earl Grey/Lucy in the sky with Diamonds/Katharine Hepburn/Armor at 50%"!

3.Bullshit bullshit QUANTUM! bullshit Death Star explodes bullshit

4.Federation win!

Don't think that'll work? Then you haven't watched enough Star Trek.

[fallendragon]

I said possible, I did not say probable. Star Trek has hit a 2 meter target at range (once at least), and IF the phase cloak works it bypasses a lot of Star Treks short range problems. Even if everything lines up and the turbolasers are offline for some reason, these have major problems, but with enough luck they might just work, thus POSSIBLE.

[Junghalli]

Does it really matter?
With it's size, mass and shields it should be sufficient to just ram each ST ship until all are dead.

Couldn't they just use small warp jumps to evade it then, assuming it actually has superior manueverability with conventional engines (I don't remember how the two settings stack up in terms of spacecraft manueverability)?

[Ritterin Sophia]

Does it really matter?
With it's size, mass and shields it should be sufficient to just ram each ST ship until all are dead.

Couldn't they just use small warp jumps to evade it then, assuming it actually has superior manueverability with conventional engines (I don't remember how the two settings stack up in terms of spacecraft manueverability)?

The Acclamator according to the ICS has a 3500G acceleration, I've heard someone say the Trek Manuals have been canonized again and if so that pegs the Galaxy-class at 1000G.

Though Warp jumping to avoid it seems reasonable enough to us, it doesn't seem to happen that often in Trek.

[Purple]

Than again, nether do star stations the size of small moons that fire death rays capable of blowing planets into bite size chunks.
But somehow I sincerely doubt that the DS would ever fire the super laser in a fleet on fleet engagement. There is simply no reason to do so. Turbolasers are just fine and they don't need to recharge or waste a huge amount of energy.

And to avoid all those guns, the trek ships might as well not exit warp in the first place when you see how many jumps they will make.

[Big Phil]

A number of different ways, if we choose to pull a Berman and pull reasons out of our ass.

Q might provide the answer, though I doubt he'd tell them directly. Remember, Q wants to challenge humanity and make them grow, so he might make them work to achieve the destruction of the DSI. That's the easiest way.

A second would be a rebellious element, either defecting Imperial troops or already existing Rebel soldiers, who provide the information hoping to get Starfleet to send ships that would, at best, pose a distraction while the Rebels drop the bomb.

And finally, Starfleet uses technobabble to get a probe close enough to detect the massive infared signature and decides that the best way would be to fly in and fire enough torpedoes that only through the magic of statistics and bullshit that one of the torpedoes gets through and hits the core.

Well, if we're going to throw reason out of our ass, why not just accept the standard Trektard argument that Trek shuttles can shrug off Death Star superlaser blasts, and then have them beam a photon torpedo into the main reactor (ignoring shields, armor, and other things that block transport)?

[Baffalo]

Well, if we're going to throw reason out of our ass, why not just accept the standard Trektard argument that Trek shuttles can shrug off Death Star superlaser blasts, and then have them beam a photon torpedo into the main reactor (ignoring shields, armor, and other things that block transport)?

I didn't say we were throwing reason out the window like a doll that's supposed to be filled with water but instead with red jello and thrown out to hit a passing car's windshield *screeech crash* I said we were going to pull them out our ass like butt floss. There's a subtle difference, as one is legal but creepy, and the other will get you 3 to 5 years.