Magestorm Allgoode

[brianeyci]

The writer's intentions are a fucking RED HERRING.

Of course, I was just trying to show that the guy quoted by Kreshna could have been using the literary approach rather than the suspension of disbelief approach. Rather than being a total moron he might be unaware of how to analyze visual sci-fi, and that if he saw your page outlining the differences between the two approaches he might be enlightened.

Brian

[Petrosjko]

Okay, what's got me curious is when the HELL did Roddenberry consult with NASA, JPL et al? He had contact later on from his Star Trek celebrity status, but initially he was just a crappy writer who came up with an idea for a low-budget space opera.

I'd ask him to substantiate that bit, KAN. I think that DW has done quite a bit of work demonstrating just how unsound the scientific principles of ST are.

[Darth Servo]

Okay, what's got me curious is when the HELL did Roddenberry consult with NASA

Probably when they were goign to name the experimental space shuttle "Enterprise"[/quote]

[Petrosjko]

Okay, what's got me curious is when the HELL did Roddenberry consult with NASA

Probably when they were goign to name the experimental space shuttle "Enterprise"

[/quote]

Like I said, later on he met with various people because he was a celebrity, but ST under his control doesn't show much evidence of professional consultation on 'what will be possible'. They created storylines, and then they created whatever effects they needed to make the storyline work. Scientific and engineering principles quite apparently were last on the list of priorities.

[Kreshna Aryaguna Nurzaman]

Just posting this as an archive, in case Masturbator Allgoode deletes my post.

He was banned for reasons I shall not make public. No sense starting a damn war over the entire mess.

To put it simply, I stated my objections to the facts and figures in the website, and asked for some clarification. Instead, I get smart assed comments, and basicly told I am an itiot because I do not see where he is getting his facts from.

Never mind that I have learned much from high school.
the websites I used were to simply reinforce that, and refresh some of the information in my own head.

Now, had he simply stated "Well, I can see where you are coming from, but here is why I am correct," then it would have remained a simple and friendly debate, not me dealing with asshats.

And of course, deleting his post gave you much convenience to continously bashing him while completely hiding his side of the story from public. Your amount of honesty and fairness amazes me, Your Highness, not to mention your ability to handle the truth.

Energy or plasma based devices are measured in Watts or Joules, not megatons or gigatons. This is based on my own education, and holding certification in electronics from the vo-tech I went to from 90-92. Also, check any directed energy weapon specs from the military. You will see that they are Measured in Watts or Joules, not megatons.

WATTS IS A MEASUREMENT UNIT FOR POWER.

JOULES AND MEGATONS ARE MEASUREMENT UNITS FOR ENERGY.

ONE MEGATON EQUALS 4.186E+15 JOULES.

And you wonder why people calls you idiot.......

Megatons are the measurement of explosive forces. This is something I LEARNED in elementary school, when we dealt with the cold war in history class.

No, megaton is a unit of ENERGY, usually used for measuring the ENERGY of an explosion, especially a nuclear explosion. Newton is a unit of force. Masturbation is apparently what you were doing in the history class, giving you severe delusion about some particular units of measurement.

Because a nuclear device is the most destructive force made by mankind currently, they linked it to something familiar. THe best measurement they had was the explosive force of trinitrotoyuline (TNT), commonly used at the time in bombs. Using this chemical, they estimated how much TNT it would take to equal the explosive and destructive forces of a nuke. Hiroshima was estimated at aproximately 13 thousand tons of TNT, or 13 Kilotons.

Thank you, Magestorm Obvious.

Now, does it make ANY sense to anyone that a laser or plasma based weapon, measured in the ammount of power delivered to the target, is being measured in explosive force? No.

Now, does NOT it make ANY sense to anyone that a laser or plasma based weapon, measured in the "ammount" of energy delivered to the target, is being measured in a unit of measurement for energy?

Also, 1 Joule does not equal 1 Watt.

Uhh... probably because Joule is measurement unit for energy, while Watt is for power?

Yet they are seen interchanged all over the place.

Unfortunately people with functional brain don't see it that way, because WATTS and JOULES are *different* units of measurement at all. Haven't you forget what the doctor told you, that excessive masturbation can make you go blind?

The argument about explosive force in space is ridiculous at best! It simply does not matter if an explosive is in an atmosphere or not, it DOES generate blast overpressure. An explosion is an erruption of hot GASSES!!!!! The blast from a nuke, or other explosive, would STILL create this phenominon. If this is not the case, then why has NASA looked at the idea of using nukes for things from interplanetary travel to asteroid deflection?

Uh... excuse me for a moment, I have to feed my Red Herring.

I can go on and on, but we can see from this that I have clear, concise, and logical arguments here. I have researched it to refresh it in my head. Now, if someone wishes to refute these, please do. BUT, no stupid shit! calling me an idiot just closes my ears to anything you try to say, and I will not hear an argumant. If I am wrong on something? I'll look at your argument calmly, and rationally, and acknowledge the facts. All I ask in return is the same from those I debate with.

Ah, so if someone calls you idiot while saying 2+2=4, suddenly the fabric of space-time continuum becomes severly distorted, changing the entire known reality so 2+2 magically becomes 5.



ANNOUNCEMENT; I'm keeping a copy of this post as an archive, just in case some reality handicapped Trekkie decides to apply the brilliant tactic of dishonesty by DELETING this post.

[Petrosjko]

Oh shit, ph34r his vo-tech certified l33tness.

[Darth Wong]

I have learned much from high school.

Best Trektard quote I've seen in quite a while.

[Nieztchean Uber-Amoeba]

What a fucking moron.

[XaLEv]

Here's Servo's posts:

Their all crazy Star wars has no real science behind it's weapons

Neither does Trek. They are BOTH pure fantasy.

lasers, proton torpedo's and Deflector shields just don't sound as powerful as Star Treks photon torpedoes, quantum torpedoes, Borg/Delta flyers photonic missiles, phasers and multiphasic shields.

According to that "logic", a personal Bose speaker with "acoustamass technology" is louder than a large amp at a rock concert.

The name of a given piece of technology has nothing to do with how powerful it is.

In TNG, DS9 and Voyager apperantly all ships have deflector shields constantly running to avoid debris collisions and in the TNG episode 'The Outragous Okona' when the Enterprise threatened with by a vastly inferior race Riker comments "Their lasers won't even cut through normal deflector shields.".

And all lasers are as powerful as the lasers of that primitive society in that ONE episode?

Guess what? In "Loud as a Whisper" Picard explicitly avoided entering a war zone contested with "laseer weaponry" so as not to endanger the E-D. In "Suddenly Human", the Picard was terrified of going to war with a society armed with lasers.

We know that Federation ships can only survive for a limited time near stars so they obviously ARE damaged by ordinary light if its intense enough.

Try signing up for the forum using a hotmail, yahoo, or google acount. it will throw up an error, stating that because of problems they have had from users of free e-mail, they could only accept either an e-mail address from an ISP, or they need a $10 "donation" to complete your registration to their site.

Its totally free to sign up with a corporate or school email. If you're out of school, and have half the knowledge you claim, you should already have a non-anomymous email so you should be able to sign up for free.

And ONE e-mail? Nononono!!!!! This was 5 go rounds. He simply got nastier and nastier about it,

He says straight out on his 'send email page' that stupidity WILL be flamed. You obviously chose to ignore that warning, just like you ignored his rebuttals and focused instead on the insults. Your tactic was a textbook ad homenim fallacy--focusing on the man instead of the arguments.

instead of rationally going over why he felt I was wrong.

Except he DID address each point you brought up and why it was wrong. Yuu ignored those rebuttals and instead simply repeated your original claims without alteration. Thats enough to get any intelligent person mad.
And don't try to deny it. He has posted the first two emails from you on his board already.

Therefore, I totally discount him, his website, and the source material his site uses (Incredible Cross Sections).

1) As far as logic is concerned, it doesn't matter how rude, mean or even evil someone is.

Consider the following analogy:

Person A politely declares that 2+2=5
Person B calls person A an idiot and tells him it really equals 4
Person A says person B can't be right because he was insulting.

2) The rudeness of a supporter of a given document has even less to do with the validity of that document, since said supporter didn't write it.

3) The Incredible cross sections book has been officially approved by Lucasfilm and received canon status. If I tried to get a particular Trek episode thrown out because one of its fans was a jerk, you would laugh in my face. Why should I not do the same to you?

While I don't have a degree, I DID happen to pay attention in school

Obviously not very well since you think a 20x bigger explosion means a 20x larger blast radius which is completely false. In reality a 20x bigger blast means a 20x bigger VOLUME of the explosion which ould only be about a 2.7 increase in radius. This is basic geometry.

and even now continue learning on my own.

Google is no match or a real college education. There is a reason college takes years to get through.

Had I gone on, I'd most likely would have becoma an actual doctor,

News flash. The author of the Incredible Cross Sections book IS an actual doctor. Curtis Saxton holds a Ph.D. in astrophysics which makes him far more qualified to discuss what amount of energy is required for a given event than you.

instead of someone living off the dole here. But, because my knowledge was not taught at a college, I can't simply test out on what I do know, and go on to the things I don't.

And there is a very good reason why you can't. Universities must get accredited and hold up to certain standards. Google has no such regulations.

Makes it to where you have an educated group unable to use this knowledge. Sad we have gone to that.

Given the (lack of) knowledge you demonstrated in your emails to Mike Wong, I'd say thats a very good thing. You obviously have no idea what a real education is like.

Personally, I could give a rat's ass. If anyone wanted to read the entire thing, I would have happily posted it. However, because of his insults, and not even bothering to explain WHY I was wrong, jusr assuming I was some know-nothing asshat, I find his arguments to be hollow and void of any and all redeming qualities.

1) Another ad-homenim fallacy. Attacking the man rather than the argument.

http://www.datanation.com/fallacies/attack.htm

2) You are not even telling the truth. He DID explain why you were wrong and you either ignored it or couldn't understand it.

In other words, he's full of shit, and I refuse to take one word of his seriously, untill he can sit down and calmly, without resorting to personal attacks, where I am wrong, and the physics behind it.

His usualy response to crap like this is. "I'll try being nicer if you try being smarter."

Mike invites you to view the thread in question and according to him, you only sent him 2 emails, not 5.

http://bbs.stardestroyer.net/viewtopic. ... sc&start=0

Stormtroopers vs Starfleet personell: Stormtroops would lose. Their armor may be thick, but on Star Trek, there are times they use phasers as cutting tools.

And it usually takes several minutes to cut through anything ans seen in "Naked Time"

Furthermore, Federation hand phasers can be rendered useless by just about anything from mild radiation to certain minerals to a really big solar flare. Imperial weapons have never had such problems.

Versatility is no match for raw power. Leave the swiss army knives for the boy scouts. I'd rather have the more power weapon with longer range (Clone troopers were engaging the droid armies at ranges of several km in AOTC).

Jedi vs Borg: Tossup

How can you say that?

Jedi can run faster than olympic sprinters (seen in the Trade Fed ship in TPM) while borg drones are slower than zombies.

Jedi have super fast reflexes due to seeing something before it happens while drones have none at all.

The borg have never demonstrated the ability to adapt to physical impacts. Only frequency dependent weapons like phasers.

[Executor32]

Is Gmail included in the 'free e-mail' list, since it's by invite only? If not, I'll invite him so he can register here and make an ass of himself.

[Kreshna Aryaguna Nurzaman]

Here's Servo's posts: <snip>

May I re-post them there? I'd really like to see Masturbastorm Allgoode swallowing his own cock when faced with the truth.

[Petrosjko]

Here's Servo's posts: <snip>

May I re-post them there? I'd really like to see Masturbastorm Allgoode swallowing his own cock when faced with the truth.

Just cut to the chase and post your theories and speculations regarding the only weapons the Federation has that could possibly immobilize the Empire, or possibly even send it screaming into full-blown retreat...

Janeway, Mother Troi, hot oil, and all-frequency transmissions.

Remember that you are representing SDNet on their board, so back every assertion you make with evidence, going so far as to get artistic renditions of what you are describing. Make your posts as detailed as possible, regarding every position, every sound made, and every rule of human decency that is violated by this.

After all, if it's so lurid that they're tearing out their own eyeballs to make the images go away, it's proof that the tactic would work on the Empire as well.

[DaveJB]

Is Gmail included in the 'free e-mail' list, since it's by invite only? If not, I'll invite him so he can register here and make an ass of himself.

I doubt he would; he'd probably take the TOWNMNBS stance of "I'm above their level of behaviour" and "If they felt their point was right, they wouldn't feel the need to be insulting".

[Kreshna Aryaguna Nurzaman]

Here's Servo's posts: <snip>

May I re-post them there? I'd really like to see Masturbastorm Allgoode swallowing his own cock when faced with the truth.

Just cut to the chase and post your theories and speculations regarding the only weapons the Federation has that could possibly immobilize the Empire, or possibly even send it screaming into full-blown retreat...

Janeway, Mother Troi, hot oil, and all-frequency transmissions.

Remember that you are representing SDNet on their board, so back every assertion you make with evidence, going so far as to get artistic renditions of what you are describing. Make your posts as detailed as possible, regarding every position, every sound made, and every rule of human decency that is violated by this.

After all, if it's so lurid that they're tearing out their own eyeballs to make the images go away, it's proof that the tactic would work on the Empire as well.

Sound like an excellent idea. Heh heh.

Actually I'm still waiting for his (or anyone) reply, looking for a good opportunity to write another piece of art. Moreover, since SD.net is quite civilized nowadays, I see their forum as good opportunity to be a twisted compost I've been dreaming all the time.

[Kreshna Aryaguna Nurzaman]

Note, I posted this just for archive, in case Masturbastorm Allgoode deletes my post

1. Masturbation? REALLY????? Well, that would be news to me! Considering where I am, and what I have been doing, my lady friend could DEFINITELY tell you different!

Alright. Who's going tell me the difference then, your right hand or your left hand?

2. I'm a Trekkie? Well, THAT is news to me! I happen to like BOTH Star Trek and Star Wars.

Except, of course, you cannot stand the fact that SW outguns ST by magnitudes. So you desperately tried to make up anything (including unsupported claims, debating fallacies, and LIES) to weaken the SW side.

3. You are saying I am stating that 2+2=5? Actually, that was the same thing I was thinking about that website and their facts. And it seems, you as well.

Actually I was responding to your post, when you said that calling you an idiot will make you refuse to hear an, uh, "argumant". See below.

I can go on and on, but we can see from this that I have clear, concise, and logical arguments here. I have researched it to refresh it in my head. Now, if someone wishes to refute these, please do. BUT, no stupid shit! calling me an idiot just closes my ears to anything you try to say, and I will not hear an argumant. If I am wrong on something? I'll look at your argument calmly, and rationally, and acknowledge the facts. All I ask in return is the same from those I debate with.

Ah, so if someone calls you idiot while saying 2+2=4, suddenly the fabric of space-time continuum becomes severly distorted, changing the entire known reality so 2+2 magically becomes 5.

Does the phrase "style over substance fallacy" ring a bell?

4. Well, it seems you know the difference between a Joule and a Watt. Care to tell your friend there? He has them used interchangeably on his website.

*cough*proof?*cough*cough*evidence?*cough*cough*

Sorry, I have severe allergy to liar. Now, shall we continue?

5. A Megaton is NOT the same as a Joule.

No shit, sherlock. A megaton is the same as 4.186E+15 joules, NOT the same as a Joule.

Joules measure power,

:BZZZZZTT!!!: Wrong. Joules measure ENERGY. Watts measure POWER.

Megatons is the equivalent of how much dynamite it takes to equal the same ammount of DESTRUCTIVE FORCE of a nuclear, or other blast. Seems someone has not done their studying in school.

Wrongo again. A Megaton is the equivalent of ENERGY released in an explosion of a megaton of TNT. What the fuck is "ammount", by the way?

I knew that before I was even 10. Why don't you?

Well, I never Trekmasturbated when I was 10, so I cannot give you the answer. I'm sorry.

6. Red Herring? Nope. Simply put, NASA has looked into useing the blast overpressure to push asteroids around, or propel a nuclear sail into the stars.So the claim that there is no blast overpressure in space is just plain dumb.

How about some links, references, or whatever before we accept your another wild theory about any kind of PRESSURE in VACUUM.

Now, new person. I do NOT know how you do things elsewhere, but here, we don't throw insults around. This is an official warning on the insults. They stop, or you get banned.

You call them insults?? Poor, poor boy. I haven't even started with you yet.....

You really want to know WHAT I would say if I were insulting you, kid? Fine. You Trekmasturbator, dishonest Picardfucker, lying cock-sucker. You dope-smoking, Janeway-masturbating, flame-inviting, logically challenged, mathematically challenged, and just plain lump of decaying flesh with brain capacity less than that of an amoeba. You are defending Star Trek because you think Picard bald head is sexually arousing. You will do anything to make Star Trek win over Star Wars, even when you are watching Captain Picard and Boss Nass cocksucking each other in an orgasm-delaying match up. You cannot tell the difference between energy and power because every night you masturbate with a sandpaper before the naked pic of Lwaxanna Troi until you get brain damage.

Now THAT's an insult. I, on the other hand, have been merely making fun of you all the time. Shall we continue, then?

The deleted posts? That is a side effect of getting banned.

I see deleted posts as side effect of a liar's immense cowardice and inability to handle the truth. Do you think it's my first time on a PHPBB2 forum? Do you really believe I'm gonna' buy your shit that someone's post will magically disappear after he/she is banned?

Here's a hint: posts made by someone's already banned will STAY on the board unless deliberately deleted by some cowardly fuck who happens to have mod priviliges and cannot stand the truth.

Now, behave, and act like a civil person, and not a human animal.

"HUMAN ANIMAL", eh? Is it also a part of your official warning against insult? Sounds like pot calling kettle black to me.

As far as WHY I am on the bandwagon for the fact that SW weapons are as advanced, I simply took into account the lens effect, which ALWAYS magnifies things. Add into it OPENING my eyes and making observations, I was able to get a better estimate of things than what is posted on that website.

Wow, so this "lens effect" actually makes SW firepower much weaker than they appears? Does this "lens effect" also exist in Star Trek? They used LENS too to make Star Trek, didn't they??

By the way, since you claimed to be able to get a better estimate of Star Trek and Star Wars firepower, then why don't you post your estimation here, O Mighty Masturbastorm Allgoode??

Here are my points:

1. SW and ST are actually fairly evenly matched. in some areas, they differ. However, I would estimate their weapons to be about the same. Yes, I would rate the turbolasers as about 300-800 megawatts, while the Phasers are rated at 3 GW each. HOWEVER, While the Enterprise D has 6 Phaser bank arrays, a Star Destroyer has hundreds of emplacements all over the vessel. One at a time, Useless. But in a massive volley aimed at one spot, that burst would have a much greater effect than alone.

Nice to see you pulling out numbers from your ass.

2. In a toe to toe battle, it would be more about tactics than firepower that will win the battle. I would say the simplistic tactics used in the show are more because of special effects and sake of story than anything.

By your logic, a 16 th century Spanish Galleon with better tactics can win against USS Nimitz in a toe to toe battle.

3. All my arguments on weapons effects and strength has been from the standpoint of getting a baseline, which I used current technology and weapons as a starting point. However, because you hardly ever see the engineering sections of SW vessels, it is more from observations than anything stated on the movies. So, I had to use whatever I had avalible to use for this.

The reason why I laid out how ST could whip SW? Seemed there were plenty doing SW beating ST, so I felt the matter there was in hand.

Enough kidding now. Time to get serious.

Allgoode, you've been trying to refute Mike Wong's calculation about Star Wars firepower. Unfortunately, instead of brought up a valid argument why his calculation is wrong, you've just been suggesting ridiculous things like "turbolaser firepower cannot be measured in megatons", which actually showed your ignorance about physics. I don't think I'd need to point every single example of your stupidity regarding to the subject being discussed.

But the worst of it, YOU ARE A LIAR. You have been repeatedly accusing Mike Wong of not showing why you are wrong, where I have posted evidence saying otherwise. You are also accusing Darth Servo of making smart-ass comments after you asked for clarifications , which you conveniently use as EXCUSE to ban him. Too bad you did not let others to see the real truth, because you conveniently DELETED all his post so people couldn't see them. This act of unfairness and dishonesty makes me want to puke, not to mention that you're a mod, showing that you were abusing your power because you're afraid of your opponent's arguments. You know, people like you just makes me sick to the bone.

When someone decides to re-post Dart Servo's deleted post, I hope EVERYONE in this board will clearly see a dishonest, pathetic liar you truly are.

Again, I'm keeping a copy of this post myself, in case of some dishonest coward called Magestorm Allgoode decides to delete my post.

[XaLEv]

Kreshna has been purged, and the repost of Servo's material deleted.

[Kreshna Aryaguna Nurzaman]

Kreshna has been purged, and the repost of Servo's material deleted.

Ah, it turned out that Masturbastorm Allgoode is more fucking coward than I thought, and a chronic liar too.

[Stark]

I want to moderate a forum so I can be an ignorant ass and then cover my tracks be DELETING all the involved posts.

Out of curiosity, under what circumstances are posts deleted on SDN?

[Ghost Rider]

Out of curiosity, under what circumstances are posts deleted on SDN?

Only trolls of Elite Fitness were deleted post.

Most the other posts if deleted are doubles or on specfic request of the poster themselves.

Spam itself is shoved into testing.

[Stark]

Isn't that a much more mature method of dealing with problems? This forum doesn't even let people REFER to deleted posts!

[Nieztchean Uber-Amoeba]

This pisses me off. This is the kind of bullshit that deserves an Imperial Strikeforce.

[Nieztchean Uber-Amoeba]

They are now locking the thread. Asshats.

[Sothis]

I tried to get onto the forum there, but I keep an error message. Anyone else experiencing this?

[Sothis]

Never mind, got it working now.

[Spiritbw]

looking over some of what he posted over there I have to wonder if he actually read anything on this site other than the quick comparison. He tends to fall into the idea of author intent rather than trying SoD though it's been stated that that is what the arguments here are based on and why. He considers the ICS as irrelivant though again, this was part of what was set down as part of the outline for arguments, that all things offically recognized as canon be allowable.

He pretty much set out to debate without knowing the rules for it then seems shocked he was attacked for it.