Minimum strength boarding party

Kamakazie Sith · Post by **Kamakazie Sith** » 2002-12-31 04:25pm

Darth Servo wrote:
Kamakazie Sith wrote:
anarchistbunny wrote:Depends on what boards them.

A predator could do it, so could a single dark templar. A single Gremlin could probly bring the ship down. A 4 or 5 normal stormies could do it, and 1 or 2 of the better ones.
4-5 normal stormies?

I dunno they can't shoot worth shit. Neither can SF security, but there are a lot more SF security. For stormies to do it I think you would need at least as many of them as there are SF security.
On one of Mike's hate-mail entries a rabid Trekkie tries to bring up this myth and Mike tells him that the Stormies in those situations were likely under orders to shoot to miss.

Against Luke, Han, and Leia sure I could understand that. However, not against Rebel soldiers. During the boarding of the Tantive they missed a whole lot, however at least they take cover.

Kamakazie Sith · Post by **Kamakazie Sith** » 2002-12-31 04:26pm

Master of Ossus wrote:BTW, no stormtrooper has ever missed a shot at less than 5 meters, which was shown several times in ST: Nemesis by both UFP crew members and Reman troops.

Yeah I thought about that myself, that was pretty pathetic.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2002-12-31 04:27pm

Kamakazie Sith wrote:Against Luke, Han, and Leia sure I could understand that. However, not against Rebel soldiers. During the boarding of the Tantive they missed a whole lot, however at least they take cover.

It's hard to keep your cool when moving through a chokepoint and taking fire. But the fact that they had control of the entry corridor within 10 seconds despite the tactical advantage of the defender in that situation is pretty fucking impressive.

Kamakazie Sith · Post by **Kamakazie Sith** » 2002-12-31 04:28pm

I'll conceed that it won't take an equal number of Stormies vs. SF security. However, it will take a bit more than 5.

Master of Ossus · Post by **Master of Ossus** » 2002-12-31 04:29pm

Darth Wong wrote:
Kamakazie Sith wrote:Against Luke, Han, and Leia sure I could understand that. However, not against Rebel soldiers. During the boarding of the Tantive they missed a whole lot, however at least they take cover.
It's hard to keep your cool when moving through a chokepoint and taking fire. But the fact that they had control of the entry corridor within 10 seconds despite the tactical advantage of the defender in that situation is pretty fucking impressive.

NTM the numbers advantage. There were over thirty rebel troops in the corridor. When the rebels started running, there were less than five left. And only six stormtroopers ever made it through the doorway before the rebels high-tailed it.

Darth Servo · Post by **Darth Servo** » 2002-12-31 04:32pm

Master of Ossus wrote:NTM the numbers advantage. There were over thirty rebel troops in the corridor. When the rebels started running, there were less than five left. And only six stormtroopers ever made it through the doorway before the rebels high-tailed it.

Over 30? I don't remember there being over a dozen, although they did outnumber the Stormtroopers. Is the novel more specific?

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2002-12-31 04:41pm

Kamakazie Sith wrote:I'll conceed that it won't take an equal number of Stormies vs. SF security. However, it will take a bit more than 5.

Let's look at the advantages and disadvantages:

Visibility: After the first few shots vapourize material off the walls and fill up the corridor with smoke, the stormies will still be able to see while the feddies won't.

Armour: The stormies can probably take a few shots without going down (they might even be virtually invulnerable based on packing-crate resistance, but let's be charitable to the poor pajama-guys). The Feddies are wearing pajamas, and would be easily killed or wounded by shrapnel from near-misses off the walls.

Weapons: Stormie weapons blast pieces out of Death Star walls, unless they're blast doors. Fed weapons are generally harmless against anything on a starship that's structural, such as walls and doors.

Discipline: Feddies aren't trained to fight. They act like policemen, not soldiers. Stormies are completely calm even when ordered to take suicidally dangerous actions.

Training: despite all of the barbs lobbed at stormies over the years, Feddies are much, much worse. Examples are too numerous to count; you may wish to ask a man who's actually been in a firefight, like Rob Wilson, about his opinion of these clowns.

Knowledge of layout: given the fact that Roga Danar knew the complete layout of a GCS despite being a criminal from a non-aligned, non-Federation world, it's pretty obvious that Federation information security is a joke. Not surprising, given the fact that they routinely give guided tours of the ship to passengers who not only lack security clearance, but aren't even from the Federation. I think it's perfectly reasonable to imagine that the boarders should know the ship's layout and weaknesses.

Environmental controls: if the stormies have been specially prepared for this mission (which is reasonable, given the tiny number being sent), they would probably know how to access environmental controls once they hit the bridge. Since no one on the ship but them has any kind of NBC protection, they can neutralize the entire ship's personnel. They might do the same with power systems such as the ship's interior lighting if it's easier to get to engineering, since a dark ship gives them an obvious advantage.

I think a well-prepared very small team of stormies should be able to easily take the Enterprise.

Master of Ossus · Post by **Master of Ossus** » 2002-12-31 04:53pm

Darth Servo wrote:
Master of Ossus wrote:NTM the numbers advantage. There were over thirty rebel troops in the corridor. When the rebels started running, there were less than five left. And only six stormtroopers ever made it through the doorway before the rebels high-tailed it.
Over 30? I don't remember there being over a dozen, although they did outnumber the Stormtroopers. Is the novel more specific?

No, but you can count them pretty easily. The corridor is filled with them.

Darth Servo · Post by **Darth Servo** » 2002-12-31 05:09pm

Master of Ossus wrote:Over 30? I don't remember there being over a dozen, although they did outnumber the Stormtroopers. Is the novel more specific?
No, but you can count them pretty easily. The corridor is filled with them.

And that corridor was pretty damn small.

Okay, I fixed the post and deleted the other one.

-Master of Ossus

Master of Ossus · Post by **Master of Ossus** » 2002-12-31 06:09pm

Darth Servo wrote:
Master of Ossus wrote:Over 30? I don't remember there being over a dozen, although they did outnumber the Stormtroopers. Is the novel more specific?
No, but you can count them pretty easily. The corridor is filled with them.
And that corridor was pretty damn small.

Hmmm... You were right. I went back and counted. There's between twenty and twenty four rebels in the corridor (depending on where some of the ones seen later come from). Five stormtroopers enter the corridor when the rebels start running, with another one coming in. Three of them are hit and clearly down when the rebels retreat.

Post by **Sea Skimmer** » 2002-12-31 07:51pm

Uraniun235 wrote:
Sea Skimmer wrote:Then one needs only to shoot up the wall a bit. People have disabled force fields by simply ripping out a panel, within the field.
How long before they run out of ammo?

American feild troops generally have about 300 rounds of ammunition for there rifle, plus a half dozen grenades and another 200 round box magazine for the fireteam's SAW. They may also have a anti tank rocket

A commando who doesn’t need to worry about a heavy pack or missile could have a thousand or more for an .45 UMP or 9mm MP-5 along with grenades. A small catch of C-4 for dealing with doors would also be easy to carry.

Ammo won't be a problem