New ST-V-SW Site!

Rogue 9 · Post by **Rogue 9** » 2004-12-01 03:36pm

Alyeska wrote:Well the old forum still has one open location to post. Right now I am beating up on someone who is claiming hyperdrive is just 1.5c. Anyone care to join in the fun?

+http://www.strek-v-swars.net/phpBB2/vie ... =2945#2945 Pwned.

Mange · Post by **Mange** » 2004-12-01 05:18pm

That guy (Guest who can't log on

)over there is a real moron. He is staying with the sinking ship (and his sinking arguments).

Rogue 9 · Post by **Rogue 9** » 2004-12-01 06:08pm

+http://www.strek-v-swars.net/phpBB2/vie ... =2949#2949 Owned again.

Winston Blake · Post by **Winston Blake** » 2004-12-01 08:12pm

Is it just me, or are arrogance and pretentious rhetoric proportional to stupidity?

Newbie pro-trekkies seem to just regurgitate all the little witticisms they've ever seen, and are so damn SURE that they're right, as if they've read a handful of debates but couldn't understand anything except the superficial comments.

Now that i think about it, they tend to talk a lot like Darkstar, eg "Your own words betray you sir."

Icmoigigan · Post by **Icmoigigan** » 2004-12-01 09:56pm

That site is disturbing on so many levels it makes me kind of sick.

Alyeska · Post by **Alyeska** » 2004-12-02 07:39pm

Well the board is completely closed now.

Trekdestroyer · Post by **Trekdestroyer** » 2004-12-02 07:43pm

Alyeska wrote:Well the board is completely closed now.

Please tell me why I am not surprised

(sp?)

Alyeska · Post by **Alyeska** » 2004-12-02 07:45pm

Because we wouldn't stop debating. RedRebel, Rogue 9, and myself were still trouncing anyone who tried to debate.

Nieztchean Uber-Amoeba · Post by **Nieztchean Uber-Amoeba** » 2004-12-02 08:27pm

I finally found the right movie phrase that describes our reaction to the new site:

"Send forth all legions. Kill them all."

FedRebel · Post by **FedRebel** » 2004-12-02 08:58pm

Alyeska wrote:Because we wouldn't stop debating. RedRebel, Rogue 9, and myself were still trouncing anyone who tried to debate.

"RedRebel"

I think I might change my avatar back to the broken UFP seal, cause I ain't a commie

Winston Blake · Post by **Winston Blake** » 2004-12-02 10:28pm

Alyeska wrote:Well the board is completely closed now.

Oh, don't worry, i got it all.
That's right, every page, every thread, every forum, i saved it all.

I have no life.

Alyeska · Post by **Alyeska** » 2004-12-02 10:57pm

Good man. I want their reactions to my essays preserved along with the asswhoopings I delivered in the last few days.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2004-12-02 11:01pm

Seriously, Winston, do you need someplace to upload all of that material so that we can share in its exploitation?

Master of Ossus · Post by **Master of Ossus** » 2004-12-02 11:07pm

OMG, I just read that one 'tard who tried to attack the image of SD.net as being a logical and rational place by arguing that some of the members here misused logical fallacies during their debates. I wish I had seen that when they were still allowing posts.

Winston Blake · Post by **Winston Blake** » 2004-12-02 11:09pm

Darth Wong wrote:Seriously, Winston, do you need someplace to upload all of that material so that we can share in its exploitation?

Yes, yes i do. I don't know anything about uploading stuff though.

Rogue 9 · Post by **Rogue 9** » 2004-12-02 11:44pm

Winston Blake wrote:
Darth Wong wrote:Seriously, Winston, do you need someplace to upload all of that material so that we can share in its exploitation?
Yes, yes i do. I don't know anything about uploading stuff though.

Not that hard to do, if you've got the server space. How big are the files?

Winston Blake · Post by **Winston Blake** » 2004-12-03 12:05am

Rogue 9 wrote:
Winston Blake wrote:
Darth Wong wrote:Seriously, Winston, do you need someplace to upload all of that material so that we can share in its exploitation?
Yes, yes i do. I don't know anything about uploading stuff though.
Not that hard to do, if you've got the server space. How big are the files?

A total of 34.4 meg.

I've got them arranged in folders but all the pages are individual so you can't click your way around like a normal site, someone would have to somehow connect all the links together if that's needed.

Rogue 9 · Post by **Rogue 9** » 2004-12-03 12:31am

Hmmmm. I'd have to remove about twenty megs of pictures from my server space, but that's okay; there's a lot of stuff on there that I don't use and aren't likely to use online anyway. Or if Mike wants to set you up, he's more than welcome. Or The Kernel might let me have another thirty MB of server space to host them.

Post by **Vympel** » 2004-12-03 02:07am

General tip to debaters: there is no way for the average idiot to contend with Grand Moff Tarkin's statement that the Empire has 1,000,000 systems under its control. None. Use it, and use it often. As part of the ANH novelization, it is unassailable from any angle. As I said more than once on that moron board, there is no way in hell you can shrink a 1,000,000 system Empire small enough so that Warp drive can be faster than hyperdrive.

Stuart Mackey · Post by **Stuart Mackey** » 2004-12-03 02:22am

Vympel wrote:General tip to debaters: there is no way for the average idiot to contend with Grand Moff Tarkin's statement that the Empire has 1,000,000 systems under its control. None. Use it, and use it often. As part of the ANH novelization, it is unassailable from any angle.

I had forgotten that. But it raises a point: I have seen a few things on this dabate that people here need to remember, the Novel, it has much usefull information.

Winston Blake · Post by **Winston Blake** » 2004-12-03 02:25am

Stuart Mackey wrote:
Vympel wrote:General tip to debaters: there is no way for the average idiot to contend with Grand Moff Tarkin's statement that the Empire has 1,000,000 systems under its control. None. Use it, and use it often. As part of the ANH novelization, it is unassailable from any angle.
I had forgotten that. But it raises a point: I have seen a few things on this dabate that people here need to remember, the Novel, it has much usefull information.

For anyone who doesn't have the novels (like me), i've found Saxton's page extremely useful in getting quotes.

Rogue 9 · Post by **Rogue 9** » 2004-12-03 04:52am

The last idiot we were arguing with, the one posting as a guest, refused to accept even the movie novelizations, kept saying if it wasn't in the movie he wasn't interested.

Robert Walper · Post by **Robert Walper** » 2004-12-03 06:09am

Rogue 9 wrote:The last idiot we were arguing with, the one posting as a guest, refused to accept even the movie novelizations, kept saying if it wasn't in the movie he wasn't interested.

That alone doesn't make him an idiot. You cannot force a person to accept your personal preference of evidence. So long as his classification of evidence is self consistent and honest, I don't see a problem.

To put it in perspective, if someone were debating me about the Borg, but they considered anything post TNG unacceptable, I'd disagree, but if that's their personal preference there's nothing wrong with that. I'd simply point out that isn't my personal preference of what is acceptable evidence about the Borg.

Either side is only in the wrong when they start harping about how their classification of evidence is the only possible or acceptable viewpoint, which is not the case.

As I said, either example I mentioned (only TNG era evidence or only SW movie evidence) isn't wrong by definition. Naturally, such a stance is dismissing alot of other evidence, potentially favorable and unfavorable, but that's beside the point.

Winston Blake · Post by **Winston Blake** » 2004-12-03 06:35am

Robert Walper wrote:
Rogue 9 wrote:The last idiot we were arguing with, the one posting as a guest, refused to accept even the movie novelizations, kept saying if it wasn't in the movie he wasn't interested.
That alone doesn't make him an idiot. You cannot force a person to accept your personal preference of evidence. So long as his classification of evidence is self consistent and honest, I don't see a problem.

To put it in perspective, if someone were debating me about the Borg, but they considered anything post TNG unacceptable, I'd disagree, but if that's their personal preference there's nothing wrong with that. I'd simply point out that isn't my personal preference of what is acceptable evidence about the Borg.

Either side is only in the wrong when they start harping about how their classification of evidence is the only possible or acceptable viewpoint, which is not the case.

As I said, either example I mentioned (only TNG era evidence or only SW movie evidence) isn't wrong by definition. Naturally, such a stance is dismissing alot of other evidence, potentially favorable and unfavorable, but that's beside the point.

So what if i was debating you and picked a single episode where the Borg are complete fuckwads? All i have to do is say 'That's my canon policy, nothing else but that episode is acceptable' and if you don't like it, you're "harping about how [your] classification of evidence is the only possible or acceptable viewpoint". You can't play a game if no-one agrees where to play it.

This guy goes beyond Darkstar in canon anality, how can you defend this shit?

Robert Walper · Post by **Robert Walper** » 2004-12-03 09:44am

Winston Blake wrote: So what if i was debating you and picked a single episode where the Borg are complete fuckwads?

Then we disagree on what consitutes evidence in any dicussion about the Borg, which means we won't get really anywhere. There's no law stating you must submit to any specific method of acceptable evidence, my way or yours. Your personal choice of evidence would be admittedly very narrow, but that's your decision.

All i have to do is say 'That's my canon policy, nothing else but that episode is acceptable' and if you don't like it, you're "harping about how [your] classification of evidence is the only possible or acceptable viewpoint". You can't play a game if no-one agrees where to play it.

There's a difference between arguing what the official canon policy of a topic under discussion is, and your personal preference of what you choose to debate.

This guy goes beyond Darkstar in canon anality, how can you defend this shit?

If someone wants to analysis SW on the basis of the movies alone, what's wrong with that? There's no law stating a person cannot debate on the basis of personally defined critieria of what is acceptable evidence. My only requirement would be that said criteria is self consistent.

Just because there's an official canon policy in place does not mean you are required to follow it. Debating the policy itself probably has a right and wrong side, but actually using the policy is optional.