General idiocy concerning SW vs. ST

lord Martiya · Post by **lord Martiya** » 2008-05-16 02:32am

Ghetto edit: no wonder that the Imperials were over-confident, they were armed enough to annihilate the commando easy without the immense luck of the Rebels...

Peptuck · Post by **Peptuck** » 2008-05-16 03:24am

Anyone else here think that Palpatine's comment about "an entire legion of my best troops" shouldn't be taken at face value? The man's a known liar and master of manipulation who, I might add, is trying to manipulate Luke over to the Dark Side. What do you think is more likely to convince him he's completely and utterly lost and his friends are doomed?

"An entire legion of my best troops awaits them!"

or

"A couple of platoons of infantry with some light armor support awaits them!"

lord Martiya · Post by **lord Martiya** » 2008-05-16 03:48am

"An entire legion of my best troops awaits them!"
But why telling him a lie when for security you can simply place a legion?

Post by **NecronLord** » 2008-05-16 05:21am

General Schatten wrote:
NecronLord wrote:I believe the 501st were supposedly the legion the Emperor spoke of. Though there's been other accounts of what groups were engaged.
I don't think so. If Palpatine was being literal when he said it was his best legion, that would be his Guardsmen, so it couldn't have been the literal best. We didn't see the Storm Commandos, his best counter insurgents, since there weren't any black armoured troopers. So that leaves us with one last group, his most loyal, which would be COMPNOR recruits.

"Legion of my best troops" not "my best legion of troops."

Illuminatus Primus · Post by **Illuminatus Primus** » 2008-05-16 12:19pm

Also, the majority of the legion was deployed for a direct assault, not a sneak attack on the rear bunker entrance.

Darth Nostril · Post by **Darth Nostril** » 2008-05-16 09:43pm

Illuminatus Primus wrote:Also, the majority of the legion was deployed for a direct assault, not a sneak attack on the rear bunker entrance.

*nods* and we know from film G-canon that Force precognition is less than perfect .... Palpatine saw an attack on the shield generator complex ... not necessarily the specifics of that assault

EnterpriseSovereign · Post by **EnterpriseSovereign** » 2008-05-20 04:41pm

Ok, now we've got some idiot wanking scalosian water and Borg:

Remember that the Borg ships would appear to be uninhabited. To attack a Wars ship with Hyperacceleration, the Borg would simply beam themselves into space just outside the ship's deflector screens, and magnitize themselves to walk on the hull to a docking bay or hatch, then cut their way in...all of this at speeds so fast you can't see them. There would be no possible defense, since Wars shields aren't designed to stop hyperaccellerated life forms

That guy obviously don't get the fact that any Borg beamed into space will get splattered against the hull of whatever ship they try to board

CaptainChewbacca · Post by **CaptainChewbacca** » 2008-05-20 05:02pm

Not to mention anything outside of a deflector shield in hyperspace gets spaghettified really quick.

Batman · Post by **Batman** » 2008-05-20 06:38pm

Ah yes. Blithely assumes the Borg can cut through Wars hatch material, blithely assumes shields that routinely stop high fractional c impactors won't stop the Borg slowly drifting into it (all that hyperaccelleration isn't going to do them any good while they're out there floating in space I'm afraid), and blithely assumes a) Wars ship hulls are magnetic, b) and that the Borg can magnetize from outside the shields. How depressingly unsurprising.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2008-05-20 09:04pm

Does this guy realize that the Borg weapons would not be hyper-accelerated by the scalosian water, so even if all his wankery was assumed correct, the drone would simply end up sitting there on the hull, trying to cut through it with a weapon that takes so long that he'll die of old age before it gets through?

Or how about the fact that it makes the user super-fragile, so that he can die of a simple scratch? Or the fact that it only affects lifeforms, so all of the Borg cybernetic parts would continue to work at normal speed, thus being effectively non-functional in the accelerated timeframe? And since the Borg drones are dependent upon their cybernetic parts in order to survive, this means that the drones would die almost instantly?

Ender · Post by **Ender** » 2008-05-20 10:44pm

Do these guys even realize you can't cut through Wars armor? I'm not talking ubermaterial properties, I'm talking about the fact that the shit is 20 m thick. Even if they have some kind of can-opener that will burn a 20 meter long hole so they can carve an opening, how are they going to move the metal out of the way? That much mass still has interia, if a drone tries pulling it up the drone is going to float off with it.

skies · Post by **skies** » 2008-05-20 11:15pm

Ender wrote:Do these guys even realize you can't cut through Wars armor? I'm not talking ubermaterial properties, I'm talking about the fact that the shit is 20 m thick. Even if they have some kind of can-opener that will burn a 20 meter long hole so they can carve an opening, how are they going to move the metal out of the way? That much mass still has interia, if a drone tries pulling it up the drone is going to float off with it.

They probably would say you could just phaser a tunnel through the armor, or some other trektard wankery.

EnterpriseSovereign · Post by **EnterpriseSovereign** » 2008-05-21 10:02am

Darth Wong wrote:Does this guy realize that the Borg weapons would not be hyper-accelerated by the scalosian water, so even if all his wankery was assumed correct, the drone would simply end up sitting there on the hull, trying to cut through it with a weapon that takes so long that he'll die of old age before it gets through?

Or how about the fact that it makes the user super-fragile, so that he can die of a simple scratch? Or the fact that it only affects lifeforms, so all of the Borg cybernetic parts would continue to work at normal speed, thus being effectively non-functional in the accelerated timeframe? And since the Borg drones are dependent upon their cybernetic parts in order to survive, this means that the drones would die almost instantly?

I can't wait to see his response to that

Peptuck · Post by **Peptuck** » 2008-05-21 12:11pm

The best part of all this wanking is that this idiot doesn't even consider what's going to happen if the Borg somehow manage to get inside the ship. It'll be literally nothing but live-target firing practice for the ship's stormtrooper compliment and Navy security details.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2008-05-21 12:59pm

Peptuck wrote:The best part of all this wanking is that this idiot doesn't even consider what's going to happen if the Borg somehow manage to get inside the ship. It'll be literally nothing but live-target firing practice for the ship's stormtrooper compliment and Navy security details.

No doubt he will assume that the Borg are super-accelerated by the magical Scalosian water (from one of the most scientifically laughable episodes ever made in the name of Star Trek, surpassing even "Threshold" for its sheer stupidity and disregard of basic logic). But of course, he will not account for the fact that only the Borg organic parts will be accelerated; their mechanical bits will not, and since they're Borg, that means they won't function at all.

Darth Servo · Post by **Darth Servo** » 2008-05-21 02:17pm

Since when have any of these Trektard "let's combine abilities from two completely different parts of Star Trek and assume they mix together flawlessly" been reasonable? They've been doing it for years. I still remember a guy who tried to use the magic chemical from Plato's Stepchildren to say the Federation could produce people with stronger powers than Jedi/Sith.

Swindle1984 · Post by **Swindle1984** » 2008-05-21 10:28pm

The Borg could totally just snap their fingers and make a Star Destroyer vanish in a flash of light. Q did it, after all!