ST vs. DS1

Durandal · Post by **Durandal** » 2003-03-11 04:17pm

Slartibartfast wrote:I thought the proton torpedo was supposed to traverse the exhaust port all the way to the reactor core, not just get into the hole and explode. Am I wrong? I don't see a photon torpedo doing that...

Dodonna said it would set off a chain reaction. I'm assuming that he meant that the torpedoes' explosions inside the shaft would do it.

SpyderGS · Post by **SpyderGS** » 2003-03-11 04:37pm

IIRC from ANH the graphic representation from the pilot's briefing depicted the torp delivered to the core from the exhaust vent. Detonation there would have caused the chain reaction. While there were no depicted turns in the graphic, I find it hard to believe that an exhaust vent (how many?) kilometers long would have NO turns. Another question to ask is what is the comparative speed of the Proton and Photon torps? Could they make that distance (exhaust port to core) in the same amount of time?

Darth Yoshi · Post by **Darth Yoshi** » 2003-03-11 08:20pm

Besides, when you think about it, two measley torps are not going to blow the reactor for the Death Star. My guess is that the torps simply caved in a section of the shaft, causing the Death Star to overheat and blow.

Lord of the Farce · Post by **Lord of the Farce** » 2003-03-11 10:17pm

Galaxy wrote:Also i would gladly bitch slap anyone that thinks a tie fighter is a match for a peregrine.

You still haven't provided a single shred of evidence to back up the claim that a few dozen Peregrines could take on the DS1's entire TIE complement. The burden of proof is on you.

Lord of the Farce · Post by **Lord of the Farce** » 2003-03-11 10:30pm

Darth Yoshi wrote:Besides, when you think about it, two measley torps are not going to blow the reactor for the Death Star. My guess is that the torps simply caved in a section of the shaft, causing the Death Star to overheat and blow.

I don't know. After all, that exhaust shaft couldn’t have been the only (or even significant) way for the DS1 to vent excess heat, if it was then nothing as relatively weak as a couple of proton torps could even get near without being fried.

More likely, the torps hit the stabilizer unit (like the one Wedge took out on the DS2), which then triggered the critical chain reaction.

KhyronTheBackstabber · Post by **KhyronTheBackstabber** » 2003-03-11 10:32pm

Darth Yoshi wrote:Besides, when you think about it, two measley torps are not going to blow the reactor for the Death Star. My guess is that the torps simply caved in a section of the shaft, causing the Death Star to overheat and blow.

I think it would take too long for it to over heat, like you said. Not to mention I'm sure it would have emergency venting incase something like that happened. I think what happened was the torps traveled down the shaft, exited, and exploded inside (instead of outside like in ROTJ) the core starting a chain reaction with hypermatter, causing the big boom, boom as fast as it did.

Kreshna Aryaguna Nurzaman · Post by **Kreshna Aryaguna Nurzaman** » 2003-03-11 10:39pm

Galaxy wrote:Also i would gladly bitch slap anyone that thinks a tie fighter is a match for a peregrine. Of course i never specified the 24 number.

TIE Fighter is ****MORE**** than a match for a Peregrine. It has SW level firepower and **much** better maneuverability. For Chrissake, haven't you ever watched Star Wars?

Kreshna Aryaguna Nurzaman · Post by **Kreshna Aryaguna Nurzaman** » 2003-03-11 10:44pm

Captain tycho wrote:
Galaxy wrote:I'm curious about that 72,000g turn. What method of imagination was used to get that?

READ-THE-FUCKING-WEBSITE!

You know, Tycho, I doubt this guy can read.

Darth Yoshi · Post by **Darth Yoshi** » 2003-03-11 10:47pm

KhyronTheBackstabber wrote:
Darth Yoshi wrote:Besides, when you think about it, two measley torps are not going to blow the reactor for the Death Star. My guess is that the torps simply caved in a section of the shaft, causing the Death Star to overheat and blow.
I think it would take too long for it to over heat, like you said. Not to mention I'm sure it would have emergency venting incase something like that happened. I think what happened was the torps traveled down the shaft, exited, and exploded inside (instead of outside like in ROTJ) the core starting a chain reaction with hypermatter, causing the big boom, boom as fast as it did.

Well, my theory was based on the fact that the Death Star exploded just as the gunners activated the firing sequence. Leap of logic, I know.

Slartibartfast · Post by **Slartibartfast** » 2003-03-11 11:49pm

So I'm correct, yes? I don't think the photon could do the trip right to the bottom. I also remembered the diagram, it clearly showed the torpedo traveling down, not exploding and creating some sort of chain reaction... well not THAT clearly, since there was a big zoom out, but that's the general idea I got.

These proton torps are really pesky little things

Isolder74 · Post by **Isolder74** » 2003-03-12 12:04am

Darth Yoshi wrote:Besides, when you think about it, two measley torps are not going to blow the reactor for the Death Star. My guess is that the torps simply caved in a section of the shaft, causing the Death Star to overheat and blow.

In the case of the DSI it was not armored. The main reactor seen in ROTJ was built so that just in case fighters do get in they would not be able to destroy it. The Empire didn't count on the Mullenium Falcon being part of the attack force and it carring weapons designed to pierce the armor allowing the chain reaction to get started. In the Novel Wedge indicates his Proton torpedoes would not damage the reactor. also in order to have a chain raction commence if the power regulator(not in first reactor) was not destroyed. This show that the Rebels did their homework in this battle even if they were supplied with faulty information.

JodoForce · Post by **JodoForce** » 2003-03-14 02:03am

I haven't watched ANH for ages, so I suddenly started wondering why Luke needed to aim with the Force to shoot into the shaft if he was just shooting a missile? And I can't remember

Isolder74 · Post by **Isolder74** » 2003-03-14 03:03am

JodoForce wrote:I haven't watched ANH for ages, so I suddenly started wondering why Luke needed to aim with the Force to shoot into the shaft if he was just shooting a missile? And I can't remember

Cause they were pre-programed to fly a certain distance and then drop straight down. To hit one had to get it just right. Hence the whole groups of three thing. The Leader and the wingmen were slaved togather so that when the leader fires they all fire. This they hoped would increase the chance of a hit.

Darth Negation · Post by **Darth Negation** » 2003-03-14 02:44pm

isolder74 wrote:
JodoForce wrote:I haven't watched ANH for ages, so I suddenly started wondering why Luke needed to aim with the Force to shoot into the shaft if he was just shooting a missile? And I can't remember
Cause they were pre-programed to fly a certain distance and then drop straight down. To hit one had to get it just right. Hence the whole groups of three thing. The Leader and the wingmen were slaved togather so that when the leader fires they all fire. This they hoped would increase the chance of a hit.

If this is so, then the Rebels were dumber Jar-Jar.

With the X-wings flying so close, one miss meant the torps would have destroyed each other!!!

Besides, they did not fire together. Luke only had two torps, and fired them much later than the lead X wing.

Darth Negation · Post by **Darth Negation** » 2003-03-14 02:46pm

Ergo, the X-wings were not slaved together.

Isolder74 · Post by **Isolder74** » 2003-03-14 03:00pm

Darth Negation wrote:Besides, they did not fire together. Luke only had two torps, and fired them much later than the lead X wing.

Luke is the lead X-wing!

Isolder74 · Post by **Isolder74** » 2003-03-14 03:09pm

Darth Negation wrote:Ergo, the X-wings were not slaved together.

No but all of the ships were using the leader's targeting computer. "I've got a lock, Getting a signal." Now weather the leader's trigger fire the missiles or the individual pilots had to pull thier own triggers is not said.

Isolder74 · Post by **Isolder74** » 2003-03-14 03:09pm

Darth Negation wrote:Ergo, the X-wings were not slaved together.

No but all of the ships were using the leader's targeting computer. "I've got a lock, Getting a signal." Now weather the leader's trigger fire the missiles or the individual pilots had to pull thier own triggers is not said.

Post by **Sea Skimmer** » 2003-03-14 03:27pm

The torpedoes probably blew a hole in the cores containment vessel. I seriously doubt collapsing an emergency exhaust vent would cause an overload in seconds.

Post by **Gandalf** » 2003-03-14 09:42pm

Don't flame me for asking this, but theoretically couldn't the Rebels have fired a volley of torps to blow the top off it, then fire everything down the hole?

My evidence for this being that when Red Leader fired his missile it seemed to cause internal damage.

Kazuaki Shimazaki · Post by **Kazuaki Shimazaki** » 2003-03-14 09:51pm

Gandalf wrote:Don't flame me for asking this, but theoretically couldn't the Rebels have fired a volley of torps to blow the top off it, then fire everything down the hole?

My evidence for this being that when Red Leader fired his missile it seemed to cause internal damage.

The rest of the shaft is merely two meters wide. You can have a ten meter wide "funnel" at the top, but in the end, you still need to arrange things so it goes right down the two meter "chute," or it'll explode on the side harmlessly.

Post by **Gandalf** » 2003-03-14 10:41pm

Kazuaki Shimazaki wrote:
Gandalf wrote:Don't flame me for asking this, but theoretically couldn't the Rebels have fired a volley of torps to blow the top off it, then fire everything down the hole?

My evidence for this being that when Red Leader fired his missile it seemed to cause internal damage.
The rest of the shaft is merely two meters wide. You can have a ten meter wide "funnel" at the top, but in the end, you still need to arrange things so it goes right down the two meter "chute," or it'll explode on the side harmlessly.

I meant so it didn't have to do that initial turn.

Slartibartfast · Post by **Slartibartfast** » 2003-03-15 01:35am

Well I can think of two outcomes that would make that useless or even detrimental:

1: the torpedoes only manage to scorch the surface of the exhaust
2: the torpedoes explode near the hole, making it collapse on itself and blocking the chute, and it becomes impossible to complete the mission

Darth Negation · Post by **Darth Negation** » 2003-03-15 02:01am

Isolder74 wrote:
Darth Negation wrote: Besides, they did not fire together. Luke only had two torps, and fired them much later than the lead X wing.

Luke is the lead X-wing!

Sorry, I meant the guy in the lead who said "Negative, it did not go in".

Isolder74 wrote:
Darth Negation wrote:
Ergo, the X-wings were not slaved together.
No but all of the ships were using the leader's targeting computer. "I've got a lock, Getting a signal." Now weather the leader's trigger fire the missiles or the individual pilots had to pull thier own triggers is not said.

Sorry, who said "I've got a lock, Getting a signal."?

Anyway, if they all fire using the same lock and the first one misses, regardless of whether they fire at the same time or not, they are ALL GOING TO MISS.

BTW, Slartibartfast, a torp did explode near the hole. It did not block it, or Luke would have been in sooo much trouble!

JodoForce · Post by **JodoForce** » 2003-03-15 06:52am

But apparently it didn't have any effect on the entrance either.

Thanks Isolder for clearing that up without making me sound stupid, I was starting to think I needed a new account and screenname

Well, the Feds do seem to have some m4d programming skillz on their torpedoes, maybe they could fire a microtorp over the top and have it track in using emissions guidance or something. After all it's an exhaust port, it would have registered on *something*

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