Trek is dead! Long live Trek!

SWPIGWANG · Post by **SWPIGWANG** » 2002-09-24 08:28pm

Help, 200GT HTL have no effect on uber ignore all troll shielding. What do we do?

G O D · Post by **G O D** » 2002-09-24 08:30pm

As soon as you get me a beer.

G O D · Post by **G O D** » 2002-09-24 08:33pm

200GT? Did you pull that out of your ass, or the EU? Both are equally valid.

Master of Ossus · Post by **Master of Ossus** » 2002-09-24 08:33pm

TheDarkling wrote:You stated ever single one had been refuted - thats an unsubstantiated claim, this clacl im looking at cant be ignored because it has lots of nice measurements etc - and they are even in the right units and so forth.

My opinion is based upon the fact you seem to becoming more and more militant of late.

I also say that the high calcs are argued against in this way based upon looking at the arguemtns against the calcs which have been that over and over again (some where valid but alot were just that).

In short people in glass house's.....

1. I was referring only to the statistics that say that the Federation can defeat the Empire. I believe that every one of those pieces of "evidence" have been refuted fairly easily. Note that to equal even the lowest-end SW calculations, ST high-ends would need to rise by at least three orders of magnitude in terms of firepower.

2. I was not aware that I have become more militant, of late, but I do not doubt that it is true. Without DarkStar around I feel my creative energies blossoming (

).

3. I have no doubt that some high-end calculations are argued against in such a manner, and in some cases this can be a reasonable technique. However, in other cases that is simply not reasonable.

4. What is the new set of observations you are looking at? I'd be happy to take a look at them with you. What episode are they based on?

jegs2 · Post by **jegs2** » 2002-09-24 08:37pm

It would appear as though the intellectual giants have come forth to spew forth wisdom to we misinformed few (dripping sarcasm included). Alas, are these the best that the Trekkies can offer? Surely there is at least one Trekkie with a functioning brain cell who can step forth and reign in their ill-advised underlings...

Advise to the new folks attempting to stir this pot with unsupported drivel: "It is better to be thought a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt."

Soontir C'boath · Post by **Soontir C'boath** » 2002-09-24 08:39pm

jegs2 wrote:
Advise to the new folks attempting to stir this pot with unsupported drivel: "It is better to be thought a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt."

GOD here is surely proving that point to the CORE.

Cyaround,
Jason

starfury · Post by **starfury** » 2002-09-24 08:40pm

dude, if your going to troll, do it inventively. your going to kill me of boredom.

damm, it seems we are in a time loop, the same old star drek arguments kept coming up from trekkie newbies, it's really getting dull

TheDarkling · Post by **TheDarkling** » 2002-09-24 08:47pm

MOO: Im just looking at torp and power calcs in SB and ASVS archives.

I have seen alot more high firepower estimates than low but maybe pro wars just cant be bothered to post low ones.

Im looking at some power calcs at the moment but I have to think that they seem to large - the thing is however they fit in with the other power calcs and I havent seen any low power examples apart from the Riker Terrawatt quote whihc must refer to comms based upon every other calc/quote that people have put forward.

Basically im bored, I guess ill watch that new enterprise episode in an hour or so - but I dont want to

EmperorMing · Post by **EmperorMing** » 2002-09-24 11:44pm

U.S.S. Enterprise wrote:If the Federation decided to build ships the size a stardestroyer and arm them with dozens of phaser cannons they could easily whip any SW ship ( of comparable size.)

The deciding term is *if*. They will *not* have the chance.

Master of Ossus · Post by **Master of Ossus** » 2002-09-24 11:47pm

EmperorMing wrote:
U.S.S. Enterprise wrote:If the Federation decided to build ships the size a stardestroyer and arm them with dozens of phaser cannons they could easily whip any SW ship ( of comparable size.)
The deciding term is *if*. They will *not* have the chance.

Nor the capability. Nor the facilities or resources or manpower....

EmperorMing · Post by **EmperorMing** » 2002-09-24 11:49pm

Good point MOO. Goes hand in hand. grin

EmperorMing · Post by **EmperorMing** » 2002-09-24 11:50pm

starfury wrote:
dude, if your going to troll, do it inventively. your going to kill me of boredom.
damm, it seems we are in a time loop, the same old star drek arguments kept coming up from trekkie newbies, it's really getting dull

Didn't you realise it yet? It's the ST *Stupid Time Travel Tricks* plot.

Post by **Coyote** » 2002-09-25 01:27am

Oh, fer cryin' out loud, "G-O-D" if you're going to be an agitator, at least do it well.

Answer me this--

How come whenever Trek captains come up with some new way to save the Universe and All Life as we Know It, they forget about it next episode? Star Wars has CONTINUITY, Trek just has Alzheimer's.

And in Star Wars, the ultimate weapon is a toss-up between the Death Star or the Force. In Star Trek, it's Wesley Crusher. Blech.

TheDarkling · Post by **TheDarkling** » 2002-09-25 02:54am

I just saw the latest enterprise

while it has the probably the best Vulcan since Sarek (he doesnt do a great impression of a rock) we also have Velcro being invented by T'Pols grandmother - what the hell is it with B&B do they want to make every human invention be from aliens or the future?? Tune in Next week to find out Shakespear really was a Klingon

Post by **Vympel** » 2002-09-25 03:18am

Alyeska; concession accepted, you big meanie

Using language like that on SW vs ST forum- just inappropriate !

Typhonis 1 · Post by **Typhonis 1** » 2002-09-25 03:44am

the 200 GT figure comes from the AOTC ICS and is an OFFICIOAL book .Which means that unless the figure is disputed by what we see in the films then it is valid for debating purposes BTW on a SD those 200gts woiulkd be there version of a 5 inch cannon

Imagine what there version of a 16 or 18 incher would do

Post by **The Yosemite Bear** » 2002-09-25 04:10am

Ah but the wonderful idiots will tell you that the 200gt is nothing compared to the 90,000kt of a single photon torpedo.

Post by **The Yosemite Bear** » 2002-09-25 04:14am

Actually they will claim that the 90mt burts of a photon Torpedo will inflct 90,000,000 isotons worth of damage to everything within a certain area of space convienantly forgetting that an Isoton=one ton of explosive power, and that all energy released in an explosion is released omnidirectionally and reduces in magnatide over the area of the explosion.

Oddity · Post by **Oddity** » 2002-09-25 05:00am

Vympel wrote:Using language like that on SW vs ST forum- just inappropriate !

Ha ha ha ha.....

Alyeska · Post by **Alyeska** » 2002-09-25 11:47am

Vympel wrote:Alyeska; concession accepted, you big meanie

Using language like that on SW vs ST forum- just inappropriate !

Fuck you to

Grand Admiral Thrawn · Post by **Grand Admiral Thrawn** » 2002-09-25 12:15pm

Alyeska wrote:
And you can fucking piss off.

Alyeska wrote: Fuck you to

Fucking hypocrite. You whine about how Mike is always insulting.

Kamakazie Sith · Post by **Kamakazie Sith** » 2002-09-25 12:53pm

TheDarkling wrote:I just saw the latest enterprise while it has the probably the best Vulcan since Sarek (he doesnt do a great impression of a rock) we also have Velcro being invented by T'Pols grandmother - what the hell is it with B&B do they want to make every human invention be from aliens or the future?? Tune in Next week to find out Shakespear really was a Klingon

Your fucking kidding right?

TheDarkling · Post by **TheDarkling** » 2002-09-25 01:59pm

About Shakespear being a Klingon yes (at least I hope) but about T'Pols Grandmother (2nd Foremother in Vulcan) inventing Velcro im afraid not.

She took some off her ship (which had crashed) and sold it to get some money to send a Kid to University (Im not making this up). the kid was the son of the woman who owned the bar she had been working in.

Alyeska · Post by **Alyeska** » 2002-09-25 03:05pm

Grand Admiral Thrawn wrote:
Alyeska wrote:
And you can fucking piss off.

Alyeska wrote: Fuck you to

Fucking hypocrite. You whine about how Mike is always insulting.

No, not really

jegs2 · Post by **jegs2** » 2002-09-25 03:21pm

"Up yours!"
"No, up yours!"
"No, up yours!"

Gee, what an interesting discussion....