Would you rather be a citizen Imps or the Feds?

[SirNitram]

Luke owned a skyhopper (which are capable of low-orbital flight and had inertial compensators, an ion engine, and repulsors) in addition to his landspeeder, so obviously SOME kinds of spacecraft are affordable even to relatively poor types.

What we don't know is what quality of starship Luke might have been implying: Is it a "new" kind, or used? Is it a very "basic" model, or does it have alot of features? One example might be the "budget' Verpine Adventurer from the Black Fleet Crisis.. rather economical and easily affordable for a civilian craft, but not very "impressive" capability-wise.

Luke said that he could "almost buy his own ship" for 10,000 credits. That means that the cheapest starship available anywhere Luke could get to cost slightly more than 10,000 credits. After all, why would he say "almost" if there were actually ships available for less than 10,000 credits?

A Cloakshape would probably not count. Single-seat fighters without hyperdrive aren't gonna do the job.

[Drooling Iguana]

A single-seat fighter without a hyperdrive wouldn't be capable of interstellar travel, therefore it wouldn't be a starship.

[jawbertsc]

I pick the Empire cause they have smuggling and stuff. Smuggling weapons or spice sounds cool to me. What do they smuggle in ST tribbles. I rest my case

[Lancer]

I pick the Empire cause they have smuggling and stuff. Smuggling weapons or spice sounds cool to me. What do they smuggle in ST tribbles. I rest my case

Orion Slave Girls.
Biogenic weapons
Disruptor weapons
Ketracel White

[Stark]

All of which are useless except the slave girls... guess we'll need a full load then. Or something.

I can't handle being preached at by Jesusites or Hubbardists; I don't think I could handle the Fedders either. Maybe I could handle one of the non-aligned colonies, but the Empire is the place for a capitalist like me.

[Lancer]

You still have all sorts of other stuff to smuggle. You just have to be clever enough to figure it out.

It's like playing freelancer. Why would I tell you anything but the most blindingly obvious goods?

[jawbertsc]

I pick the Empire cause they have smuggling and stuff. Smuggling weapons or spice sounds cool to me. What do they smuggle in ST tribbles. I rest my case

Orion Slave Girls

Interesting but Twilek dancing girls get the nod from me.

Biogenic weapons

Why would i want to work with something so potentially deadly?

Disruptor weapons

not interested with either the Kinglon or Romulan version.

Ketracel White

I dont recall off hand what the stuff is but i have to give the nod to spice.


Besides name one free trader in star trek universe that had a decent starship. From TOS i recall Mudd and Cryno Jones both of their methods of transport where old and tired and unreliable at best.

I'll take a YT-1300 over anything in the ST universe as far as a light star freighters goes.

[Stofsk]

Besides name one free trader in star trek universe that had a decent starship. From TOS i recall Mudd and Cryno Jones both of their methods of transport where old and tired and unreliable at best.

I'll take a YT-1300 over anything in the ST universe as far as a light star freighters goes.

Is this the same YT-1300 freighter which had a tempramental hyperdrive that foiled Han Solo's and Lando Calrissian's plans for escape on no less than THREE separate occasions?

[Lancer]

Is this the same YT-1300 freighter which had a tempramental hyperdrive that foiled Han Solo's and Lando Calrissian's plans for escape on no less than THREE separate occasions?

The Millenium Falcon has been extensively modified and suped up. It is by no means the baseline YT-1300.

[Lancer]

Orion Slave Girls

Interesting but Twilek dancing girls get the nod from me.

ok

Biogenic weapons

Why would i want to work with something so potentially deadly?

your interested in smuggling weapons, that was just an example.

Disruptor weapons

not interested with either the Kinglon or Romulan version.

it's spelled Klingon, and those aren't the only versions out there.

Ketracel White

I dont recall off hand what the stuff is but i have to give the nod to spice.

it's a narcotic. In addition, the Jem'Hadar were genetically engineered to be dependant upon the stuff.

Besides name one free trader in star trek universe that had a decent starship. From TOS i recall Mudd and Cryno Jones both of their methods of transport were old, tired, and unreliable at best.

How about the ECS Horizon (J-Class freighter) and ECS Fortunate (Y-class freighter)? Both were freighters in the ENT-era. (Mudd's ship was also a J-class freighter, almost 100 years after ENT).

I'll take a YT-1300 over anything in the ST universe as far as a light star freighters goes.

your stock YT-1300 is hardly as suped-up as the Millenium Falcon.

[jawbertsc]

Biogenic weapons

Why would i want to work with something so potentially deadly?

your interested in smuggling weapons, that was just an example.

bigg diference beyween a blaster and a plaugue.

Disruptor weapons

not interested with either the Kinglon or Romulan version.

it's spelled Klingon, and those aren't the only versions out there.

Ketracel White

So? still not interrested
I dont recall off hand what the stuff is but i have to give the nod to spice.

it's a narcotic. In addition, the Jem'Hadar were genetically engineered to be dependant upon the stuff.

Ok if you have to genetically engineer someone to sell a product that wroking to hard

Besides name one free trader in star trek universe that had a decent starship. From TOS i recall Mudd and Cryno Jones both of their methods of transport were old, tired, and unreliable at best.

How about the ECS Horizon (J-Class freighter) and ECS Fortunate (Y-class freighter)? Both were freighters in the ENT-era. (Mudd's ship was also a J-class freighter, almost 100 years after ENT).

How much did they cost? vs the star wars equivilent?

I'll take a YT-1300 over anything in the ST universe as far as a light star freighters goes.

your stock YT-1300 is hardly as suped-up as the Millenium Falcon.[/quote]

I knew that it comes standard with one laser cannon but your free to modify to your hearts content. Knowing myself it would be parts from a salvage dealer.

[Stofsk]

The Millenium Falcon has been extensively modified and suped up. It is by no means the baseline YT-1300.

How do you know Han Solo didn't supe up and modify the Falcon to INCREASE performance and reliability from the hyperdrive? That is what seems to be implied in the movies at any rate. Baseline YT-1300 may be the galaxy's shitbox. Luke does exclaim "What a piece of junk!" in horror at the Falcon, and Solo defends in an indignant apology "She's been SPECIALLY modified." I take this to mean the YT-1300 wasn't too hot to begin with.

[Lord Revan]

It might say something about the YT-1300 that it's almost never seen in it's factory specs.

[JediMaster415]

YT-1300s were designed to be modified in any number of imaginative ways. THat's part of the reason the freighters are so popular.

Han, for example, modified the Falcon with military-grade shield generaters, quad lasers and a hyperdrive that was much faster than stock.
Also, the Falcon was modified so extensively that, while it did perform better than stock, it became a very tempermental ship. So the breakdowns are more a result of modification than any work CEC did.

[Lancer]

The Millenium Falcon has been extensively modified and suped up. It is by no means the baseline YT-1300.

How do you know Han Solo didn't supe up and modify the Falcon to INCREASE performance and reliability from the hyperdrive? That is what seems to be implied in the movies at any rate. Baseline YT-1300 may be the galaxy's shitbox. Luke does exclaim "What a piece of junk!" in horror at the Falcon, and Solo defends in an indignant apology "She's been SPECIALLY modified." I take this to mean the YT-1300 wasn't too hot to begin with.

ICS.

[Stark]

Oh, is white a narcotic for other people too? I thought it was specific to Jem Hadar and thus totally worthless. What kind of high does it give the Fedders?

[Nieztchean Uber-Amoeba]

Okay, let me explain more about WHY I would like the Feds more and what I would do(other than have holo-sex).

Firstly, I'd bring a copy of The Art of War with me to the future. Since apparebtly, no copies of it survived the Post-Apocalyptic Horror, I put my name on it and revolutionize the Federation with these things called 'tactics'. I am now a famous tactician.
I also give them the plans to modern nuclear weapons, and tell them to strap Quantum torpedoes to normal ones so they can engage enemies beyond visual range. Again, I revolutionize the Federation and I'm hailed as a military visionary.
I then tell them the specifications of armoured ground vehicles, armour made of packing crate material, and the specifications of chemically propelled projectile weapons, giving them the edge in fights on the ground against other groups, with artillery and armour, and the Borg, who have no KE shielding.

Next, if this is during the Dominion War, I tell them to send a ship with that technobabble first used on a klingon ship against the Breen and 'see what happens'.

I also send a message around the Federation rambling about some inane topic which happens to have the words 'Sloan' and '31' in it. If S31 arrives to talk to me, I state that I will not talk about them, and even help keep Section 31 secret, if they help me into a position of authority(no hard if I'm already popular).

I also send a message to Starfleet Command threatening to tell everyone in the universe about Omega Particles, if they don't put me in the Captain's chair in a month. Since I'm already apparently a genius to them, they will probably acquiesce to my demands.

Then, I will smile.

Once in command, I can make weird 'predictions' about what will happen in the future and how to combat it, and I seem to end up right every time.

[Stofsk]

The Millenium Falcon has been extensively modified and suped up. It is by no means the baseline YT-1300.

How do you know Han Solo didn't supe up and modify the Falcon to INCREASE performance and reliability from the hyperdrive? That is what seems to be implied in the movies at any rate. Baseline YT-1300 may be the galaxy's shitbox. Luke does exclaim "What a piece of junk!" in horror at the Falcon, and Solo defends in an indignant apology "She's been SPECIALLY modified." I take this to mean the YT-1300 wasn't too hot to begin with.

ICS.

Which I don't have. Do you want to explain what I'm missing or shall I just guess?

[Lancer]

Oh, is white a narcotic for other people too? I thought it was specific to Jem Hadar and thus totally worthless. What kind of high does it give the Fedders?

no idea. Just stated in FC that the Sona make the narcotic Ketracel White. Since they did not have dealings with the Dominion, it stands to reason that Ketracel White can be used for other species (. . . that would explain how come Feddie ground troops collected Ketracel White cartridges from the Jem'Hadar )

[Lancer]

Just stated in FC that the Sona

argh, would a mod please change FC to Insurrection and delete this post?

[Lancer]

jawbertsc, please learn to use the quote button. Reading your posts makes my head hurt.

bigg diference beyween a blaster and a plaugue

.

you only said you could smuggle weapons. Biogenics are just an example, as were disruptors.

Ok if you have to genetically engineer someone to sell a product that wroking to hard

notice the "in addition".

How much did they cost? vs the star wars equivilent?

no idea. we were not given a cost estimate.

Stofsk:
it states on the MF page that hyperdrives are made for one of three things: speed, efficency, or reliability. An increase in one comes at the cost of the other two. So while the MF's hyperdrive has been heavily modified for speed, it's reliability has been decreased significantly. If you like, I can get the exact quote from the page later on.

[Metrion Cascade]

Federation. On Earth nobody starves, while off Earth you can indulge in capitalism. If Shinzon can secretly build the Scimitar, I want something like a Sovereign with Janeway's armor and torpedoes.

And Q isn't really going to let anything truly heinous happen to humanity. They've gotten fucked with, but they're still around after facing the Borg multiple times and then the Dominion. More than you can say for Arturis' race or the El-Aurians or the Cataati or the Promellians or the Kataanians or the Iconians. How many human races in how many sci-fi franchises have been in so many utterly fucked situations and gotten out of them?

Besides. We've seen futures centuries ahead of VOY and the Federation is still around in damn near all of them. Never mind Temporal Investigations looking out for us.

Federation Earth may be a bunch of pussy communists who won't admit they have a military, but it's a more open society and probably easier to improve without bloodshed (compare the US to, say, Iran). And they may not have the Empire's forces (yet ), but they don't have the Empire's enemies either. The Borg are the worst corporeal race Trek has (if they're still around), and there's at least one Fed ship that can eat them for breakfast. And for damn sure I'd do a better job than Starfleet of capitalizing on whatever new tech I found, since earth-shaking discoveries seem to be at the fingertips of anyone with warp drive in Trek.

[Stofsk]

Firstly, I'd bring a copy of The Art of War with me to the future. Since apparebtly, no copies of it survived the Post-Apocalyptic Horror, I put my name on it and revolutionize the Federation with these things called 'tactics'. I am now a famous tactician.

A copy of the Art of War won't make you an expert tactician, but it might make you a civilian strategist, assuming you don't join up.

And further, the strategy in the Art of War isn't so easy to pick up, nor is it guaranteed to make you an expert on space warfare. Sun Tzu wrote in very general terms, yet in spite of this the AoW has a distinct land emphasis (not surprisingly, as he was a General). Different types of warfare have different strategists: land had Jomini and Clauswitz, navy had Mahan and Corbett, early air had Douhet, revoultionary warfare had Mao Zedong (others as well), limited warfare had Sun Tzu and Liddel-Hart.

Seriously, there's more to strategy than a single book. It will help, but it's not going to make you an instant Fleet Admiral.

[Eleas]

A Cloakshape would probably not count. Single-seat fighters without hyperdrive aren't gonna do the job.

The cloakshape is too expensive anyway. If you want it with a hyperdrive, from what I've googled it costs upwards of 35,000 credits.

[Lord Pounder]

Federation. On Earth nobody starves, while off Earth you can indulge in capitalism. If Shinzon can secretly build the Scimitar, I want something like a Sovereign with Janeway's armor and torpedoes.

And Q isn't really going to let anything truly heinous happen to humanity. They've gotten fucked with, but they're still around after facing the Borg multiple times and then the Dominion. More than you can say for Arturis' race or the El-Aurians or the Cataati or the Promellians or the Kataanians or the Iconians. How many human races in how many sci-fi franchises have been in so many utterly fucked situations and gotten out of them?

Besides. We've seen futures centuries ahead of VOY and the Federation is still around in damn near all of them. Never mind Temporal Investigations looking out for us.

Federation Earth may be a bunch of pussy communists who won't admit they have a military, but it's a more open society and probably easier to improve without bloodshed (compare the US to, say, Iran). And they may not have the Empire's forces (yet ), but they don't have the Empire's enemies either. The Borg are the worst corporeal race Trek has (if they're still around), and there's at least one Fed ship that can eat them for breakfast. And for damn sure I'd do a better job than Starfleet of capitalizing on whatever new tech I found, since earth-shaking discoveries seem to be at the fingertips of anyone with warp drive in Trek.

I'm sorry but where have you gotten the laughable idea that the Q are humanities guardian angel? Point in question, who introduced the Borg to Picard and company? Who set up humanity for trial in the first TNG episode and destruction by their own hand in All Good Things? And most importantly who sat on their hands while the Federation was about to be wiped out by the Dominion?

Of course the Federation is going to exist in any flash forwards, it's a bloody show about the federation. However given the way quantium physics is suposed to work, every possible conclusion branching off infinately, how can you count something that isn't there?