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Tribun wrote:It gets even better if you know two details of the construction:

1.)Everything was shipped secretly to Endor just by Xizor's shipping company.
2.)They mostly transported just raw material that was transformed into the parts for DS-II directly at construction site.
1) a. Xizor's was the biggest trade fleet in the Galaxy, IIRC. And considering the size of the Trade Fed fleet, Xizor's must be really big.
b. I read somewhere that most of the raw materials were mined in a rocky planet near Endor.

2) Not that it changes a lot, but this is speculation based in Shadows of the Empire as far as I know (they ask Xizor to ship stuff for the project, but don't actually tell when did it start) and I have read an alternative theory that suggests that it had been under construction somewhere else for two years before being moved to Endor (and that there was a superlaser test against a Rebel base that was misteriously destroyed).
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Robert Walper wrote:Aww...upset the Death Star ain't so big after all compared to some Trek structures? The point was size comparison, not capabilities.
Wow! A completely retarded statement exposing a complete failure to understand jack nor shit about what size means! I'm so shocked I.. No, wait, I'm not shocked that the moron who regularly whines he and all Trekkies are persecuted here said something this numbingly stupid.

A Dyson Sphere, being an immobile construct that is spherical, doesn't have too much structural stress on her components compared to other large-scale engineering projects. You know, like Ringworlds(Which, of course, the Empire uses for manufacturing. AOTC ICS.).

Throw in that the Death Star has to withstand it's own acceleration.. Being an underdeveloped crack baby, you clearly don't comprehend how quickly this becomes a problem. Make an object. Scale it up by a factor of ten. It's now a thousand times heavier, but only one hundred times stronger. As you continue to spiral up in size, this only increases.

Sure, a Dyson Sphere is impressive(Especially when you make a real one, not that ridiculous joke that Trek vomitted out). It requires material ten thousand times stronger than steel. Of course, the Death Star's engines would need to be even stronger to take the stress of acclerating at 1km/s^2. Here is an essay which handily discusses the engineering concerns of the Death Star moving and the Dyson Sphere sitting there, sitting right there on Mike's site.
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SirNitram wrote:You know, like Ringworlds(Which, of course, the Empire uses for manufacturing. AOTC ICS.).
What exactly are you refering to? I've seen this mentioned before, and the only thing I can think of is Kuat's construction ring that surrounds the planet... but I'm not sure.
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Techno_Union wrote:
SirNitram wrote:You know, like Ringworlds(Which, of course, the Empire uses for manufacturing. AOTC ICS.).
What exactly are you refering to? I've seen this mentioned before, and the only thing I can think of is Kuat's construction ring that surrounds the planet... but I'm not sure.
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Admittably, assuming they're Ringworlds and not Diskworlds or Spheres(Or for that matter, Cubeworlds or Polygonworlds) is an assumption, but we are talking about structures encapsulating stellar phenomenon.
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SirNitram wrote:
Robert Walper wrote:Aww...upset the Death Star ain't so big after all compared to some Trek structures? The point was size comparison, not capabilities.
Wow! A completely retarded statement exposing a complete failure to understand jack nor shit about what size means! I'm so shocked I.. No, wait, I'm not shocked that the moron who regularly whines he and all Trekkies are persecuted here said something this numbingly stupid.

A Dyson Sphere, being an immobile construct that is spherical, doesn't have too much structural stress on her components compared to other large-scale engineering projects. You know, like Ringworlds(Which, of course, the Empire uses for manufacturing. AOTC ICS.).

Throw in that the Death Star has to withstand it's own acceleration.. Being an underdeveloped crack baby, you clearly don't comprehend how quickly this becomes a problem. Make an object. Scale it up by a factor of ten. It's now a thousand times heavier, but only one hundred times stronger. As you continue to spiral up in size, this only increases.

Sure, a Dyson Sphere is impressive(Especially when you make a real one, not that ridiculous joke that Trek vomitted out). It requires material ten thousand times stronger than steel. Of course, the Death Star's engines would need to be even stronger to take the stress of acclerating at 1km/s^2. Here is an essay which handily discusses the engineering concerns of the Death Star moving and the Dyson Sphere sitting there, sitting right there on Mike's site.
You left out the fact that the Dyson's Sphere is also HOLLOW...that means it has a lot less mass than it looks like.
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This is really kind of like a nineteenth century argument of some country with Egypt like, "Look at our ships! They're huge and made of iron and can bust right through your tiny little wooden boats without a scratch." And the Egyptians respond with "Oh yeah! Well we have the pyramids!" Yes, you have a large building, that's nice, now how does that compare with a ship, neverminding the fact that you're unlikely to build another freakin' pyramid any time soon because the people with the know-how are long gone. Extrapolate to Trek and fill in the blanks.
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